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Special Equipment

12.8 Störungssuche beim Doppelknoter

Die Erfahrung hat gezeigt, daß ein Großteil der Bindeprobleme auf unzureichende Garnspannung zurückzuführen
sind. Den Garnlauf und die Garnspannung vor Antritt der Arbeit überprüfen.

Im folgenden werden die häufigsten Störfälle mit deren Ursache aufgeführt und für deren Behebung ein Hinweis
gegeben. Ansonsten wird auf das Kapitel hingewiesen, in dem das betreffende Thema näher erläutert wird.

Vor der Ausführung der Instandsetzung oder Einstellungen die Zapfwelle ausschalten, den Motor des Schleppers
abstellen, die Schwungradbremse anziehen und den Sicherungshebel der Bindeauslösung verriegeln.

Nr.

1

2

Störfall

Häufiger Bruch der
Knoterzunge

Knoten bleibt am
Knoterhaken hängen.

mögliche Ursache

Zweiter Knoten bleibt am
Knoterhaken hängen.

Zu geringe Garnspannung am
unteren Garnstrang.

Zu geringe Garnspannung am
oberen Garnstrang.

Messerhebel hat axiales
Spiel.

Übermäßige Spannung an der
Knoterzunge.

Garnmitnehmerscheibe zu
weit vorgestellt.

Stumpfes Abstreifermesser.

Abstreiferarm zu weit vom
Knoterhaken entfernt.

Abgenutzte oder rauhe
Stellen am Knoterhaken.

Behebung

siehe Nr.2

Garnlauf unten überprüfen und korrigieren.
Garnbremse unter den Garnkästen nach-
stellen.
Schmutzansammlung zwischen den
Blechen und der Garnbremse entfernen.
Gebrochene Federn oder verschlissene
Bleche ersetzen.
Garnspannfeder und Garnlauf kontrollieren

Garnlauf oben überprüfen und korrigieren.
Feder der Garnbremse anziehen.
Schmutzansammlung in der Garnbremse
oben beseitigen.
Gebrochene Räder oder verschlissene
Bremsräder ersetzen.

Mutter der Messerhebelachse anziehen,
ansonsten Messerhebel tauschen.

Die Feder der Knoterzunge leicht lösen.

Einstellung überprüfen, soweit erforder-
lich nachstellen.

Schneidmesser einstellen, schärfen oder
ggf. Messer auswechseln.

Den Abstreiferarm so verbiegen, daß der
Arm in seiner Totlage 15-18 mm über den
Knoterhaken schwenkt.

Rauhe Stellen entfernen, ansonsten
defekte Teile austauschen.

Kap.

6.4

12.7.5

9.3

9.4

9.2

9.3

9.4

9.4

9.2

Summary of Contents for Big Pack 127 / MultiCut

Page 1: ...Big Pack 88 MultiCut Big Pack 127 MultiCut Big Pack 127 MultiCut from machine no 490 000 Operating Manual No 596 1 GB Big Baler ...

Page 2: ...ng and design dep Ralf Pöppelmeyer Quality assessment manager EC Declaration of Conformity according to Directive 89 392 EEC Dear customer Here are the operating instructions for the KRONE product you purchased These operating instructions contain important information for the proper use and safe operation of the machine If these operating instructions have for any reason become completely or part...

Page 3: ...fety IV 1 4 2 General Description IV 1 4 3 Comfort Control Functions IV 3 4 3 1 Adjusting the Bale Density IV 3 4 3 2 Open Bale Channel IV 6 4 3 3 Bale Counter IV 6 4 3 4 Information IV 7 4 3 5 Alarm Messages IV 7 4 3 6 Blade Check on the Cutting Mechanism Special Equipment IV 8 4 3 7 Checking Sensors IV 8 4 3 8 Language Setting IV 11 4 4 Checking the Valves IV 12 5 Working with the Big Pack Baler...

Page 4: ...unt IX 1 9 4 The Blade Lever IX 2 9 5 Knotting IX 4 10 Over the Winter 10 1 Special Notes on Safety X 1 10 2 General X 1 11 Putting into Operation Again 11 1 Special Notes on Safety XI 1 11 2 General XI 1 11 3 The Overload Coupling on the Flywheel XI 1 12 Special Equipment 12 1 Cutting Mechanism XII 1 12 2 Compressor XII 7 12 3 Swath Distributor XII 8 12 4 Hydraulic folding bale chute with rollers...

Page 5: ...Follow both the general safety instructions contained in the section on safety and the specific safety instructions contained in the other sections 1 1 Designated Purpose The big square balers Big Pack 88 MultiCut Big Pack 127 MultiCut and Big Pack 128 MultiCut are pick up balers mit dem Variablen Füll System They produce highly compressed and consistent big square bales with a length from 1 0 to ...

Page 6: ...prior approval of the manufacturer Swath form unloading of the baling material and automatic lifting by the pick up are considered basic prerequisites in any case though 1 2 7 General Technical Data Travelling on public roads is only permissible with empty bale channel and with the bale chute folded in On machines with wide pick up optional equipment the gauge wheels must be moved to transport pos...

Page 7: ...I 3 General Information 1 2 8 Technical Data Big Pack 88 MultiCut Big Pack 127 MultiCut Big Pack 128 MultiCut ...

Page 8: ... on 4 guide rollers 5 7 blades on the ram 2 blades in the bale channel Adjusting the baling pressure electronic hydraulic regulation via an adjustable pressure relief valve adjustable from the tractor Twine box both sides 12 rolls of twine for each Twine Synthetic fibre 130 150 m kg In case of reaching end of roll and of broken twine Electric twine control with acoustic yand optical signal Ejectin...

Page 9: ...ation Brand Maingearbox 15 Rakegearbox 2 5 TransfergearboxKnoter Raffer 0 8 Anglular gearbox up to the pick up 0 8 Anglular gearbox down to the pick up 0 15 Cutting system gearbox for MultiCut top 2 75 Cutting system gearbox for MultiCut bottom 3 85 Bio Lubricants SAE 90 or Esso Spartan EP 150 Shell Omala Öl 150 Fuchs EP 85 W90 Castrol EPX 90 on request Hydraulic Connections on the Tractor Pick up...

Page 10: ...I 6 General Information ...

Page 11: ...d be completed by authorized service centers only 2 2 2Failure to Follow the Safety Instructions Failure to follow the safety instructions could result in personal injury and environmental hazards as well as damage to the machine Failure to follow the safety instructions could result in the forfeiture of any claims for damages Failure to follow the safety instructions could for example result in t...

Page 12: ...3 Observe permitted axle loads gross weight and transport dimensions 14 Check and attach transport equipment such as lighting warning devices and any protective equipment 15 Actuating mechanisms cables chains linkages etc for remote controlled devices must be positioned in such a way that no movements are unintentionally triggered at any transport or working positions 16 Ensure that implements are...

Page 13: ...TO shaft when the angle is too large or the PTO shaft is not required 13 Caution The flywheel will continue to rotate for some time even after the PTO shaft has been disengaged Keep clear of the implement during this time Do not do any work on the implement until the machine has come to a complete stand still and the flywheel has been secured using the hand brake 14 Disengage the PTO shaft stop th...

Page 14: ...s to secure it against falling 4 When replacing working tools with cutting edges use suitable tools and gloves 5 Dispose of oils greases and filters according to regulations 6 Always disconnect the power supply before working on the electrical system 7 If protective devices and guards are subject to wear check them regularly and replace them in good time 8 When doing electrical welding on the trac...

Page 15: ...II 5 Safety ...

Page 16: ...lity Corresponding danger notices attached to the machine warn against any dangers The safety instructions are provided in the form of so called warning pictograms Important information on the location of these safety signs and what they mean is given below Familiarize yourself with the meaning of the warning signs The text printed next to the danger sign and its location on the machine indicate w...

Page 17: ...otating augers Order No 939 520 1 2x 4 5 6 Close the guard before putting into operation Order No 942 002 4 7x 1 The PTO shaft speed may not exceed 1000 rpm The hydraulics system operating pressure may not exceed 200 bar Order No 939 101 4 1x Before putting the machine into operation read and observetheoperating instructions Order No 939 471 1 1x 939 101 4 MAX 1000 min MAX 200 bar 2 Never put your...

Page 18: ...of Knotter and Knotter Shaft Lock 13 FireExtinguisher 14 WheelChocks 1 Mechanical Flywheel Holding Brake 2 Bracket for Quick Release Coupling and Plug 3 Longitudinal Adjustment of Packs 4 Crank for Parking Brake 5 TwineControllerandTensioningMechanism 6 Pick Up with Feeler Wheel 7 Baffle Plate 2 4 Overview of the Big Pack Baler with Tandem Axle Left Side BP VFS 002 11 ...

Page 19: ...tom Attachment 5 AdjustableSwingingDrawbar 6 On BoardComputer 7 PTO Shaft for MultiCut 8 Shut Off Tap for Pick Up Hydraulics 9 SlewableMudguard 10 Twine Brake beneath the Twine Box single knotter 11 MaintenancePlatform 12 Folding Pack Chute 2 5 Overview of Big Pack Baler with Tandem Axle Right Side BP VFS 003 11 12 5 3 10 9 6 8 2 1 j 7 4 ...

Page 20: ...II 10 Safety 2 6 The BIG PACK Baler Working Method Multi Cut VFS Fördersystem 2 1 3 4 5 15 14 14 15 16 12 11 13 16 10 9 8 7 6 BP VFS 004 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 2 1 3 4 5 16 16 13 ...

Page 21: ...ide pick up 2 4 m AnhängungExportvarianten Je nach landesspezifischen Anforderungen stehen eine drehbareZugöseodereineHitch AnhängungzurVerfü gung Doubleknotter Bei der Bergung von Silage hat der Doppelknoter gegen über dem Einfachknoter einige Vorteile Das Garn liegt während des Pressens nicht im Knoter Dadurch bleiben sowohl Knoter als auch Garn während des Pressens verschleißfrei Die Bindeeinri...

Page 22: ...II 12 Safety ...

Page 23: ...y Only put the big pack baler into operation when all protective devices have been attached and are in the correct positions The big pack baler may be operated with a maximum PTO shaft speed of 1000 rpm Only PTO shafts specified by the manufacturer with the correct overload coupling and free wheel facility may be used The PTO shaft may only be attached and detached when the tractor PTO shaft is sw...

Page 24: ... screw 1 Torque moments see Kap 7 2 3 2 2 1 BP380 7 006 BP380 7 007 1 3 2 2 Removal of the flywheel brake For any adaptation of the drawbar height the flywheel brake must be removed from the drawbar For this proceed as follows 1 With the flywheel brake pulled withdraw pin 1 from the brake lever and remove the brake lever 2 Release bolts 2 and remove the guard 3 Release bolts 4 and 5 The complete b...

Page 25: ...s To measure take the PTO shaft apart and slide each half 1 and 2 on to the baler and the tractor respectively The exact procedure for the length adaption can be found in the PTO shaft manufacturer s operating instructions 2 1 BP380 7 171 On the machine side remove first guard 1 and the bolts 2 Then connect the PTO shaft and secure using the bolt supplied Re install guard 1 making sure that it is ...

Page 26: ...e machine turnoffthePTOshaftimmediately und Schwungrad abbremsen The cam type cut out clutch switches on again automatically once the fault has been eliminated Feed Rake Drum Drive The drive for the feed rake drum is located on the left hand side of the machine The gearbox is fitted with a spring loaded ratchet clutch as a safety measure As soon as the ratched clutch engages stop the machine turn ...

Page 27: ...desspezifischen Anforderungen stehen eine drehbare Zugöse oder eine Hitch Anhängung zur Verfügung see ch 12 6 Spacer Bush for the Swinging Drawbar with Bottom Attachment Swinging drawbars often have a retaining bolt with a diameter smaller than for the hitch For this reason a spacer bush 2 is supplied along with big pack balers with bottom attachment which can be used with the tractor hitch 1 when...

Page 28: ...tion b gear reduction for winding up and down when the big pack baler is resting on the support foot Jack Stands As soon as the big pack baler is hitched up take the load off the support foot 3 by turning the crank 1 Pull out the retaining bolt 5 on the lower part of the jack stand 2 slide in the jack stand and secure in position 4 with the bolt Wind up the jack stand completely BP380 7 015 5 4 3 ...

Page 29: ...The big pack baler requires one double and two single action hydraulic control valves on the tractor The pro tective caps on the hydraulic 1 hoses in the chute 2 are colour coded This means perfect identification of the necessary control valves is guaranteed yellow single action control valve pick up blue double action control valve pack ejector yellow single action control valve Blade controle Mu...

Page 30: ...eel is now braked After mounting ensure that the PTO shaft has locked into place Only use the PTO shaft supplied from the factory Installing the PTO shaft On the machine see ch 3 3 On the tractor Remove the PTO shaft from the retaining chain 1 or support fold in Slide the PTO shaft on the tractor PTO shaft with the engine shut off and the ignition key removed and then secure Secure PTO shaft guard...

Page 31: ...the bale channel Before unhitching the machine it must be secured from unintentional rolling away using the parking brake Electrical Connection Cables The big pack baler requires an electrical supply for the on board computer A socket to be mounted on the tractor is part of the scope of supply Plug the connect ion cables into the corresponding sockets on the baler and secure them from coming loose...

Page 32: ...ont right hand side of the machine must be turned from position a to position b 3 4 4 Road Journeys Driving on public highways is only permitted with the bale channel empty and the pack chute folded in The maximum speed is 40 km h Carrying passengers on the big pack baler is not permitted The big pack baler s roadworthiness must be checked and guaranteed especially the lighting the protective plat...

Page 33: ... Depressurise the hydraulics systems on the tractor and on the machine Only remove the PTO shaft when the tractor PTO shaft is switched off the engine is switched off and the ignition key has been removed Apply the flywheel brake Wheel Chocks and Parking Brake Apply the big pack baler parking brake using the crank 1 Lights Connect the lighting unit to the tractor electrical system Check and clean ...

Page 34: ...g away Gently wind down the raised jack stand 4 using crank 1 Pull out the bolt 2 and extend the lower part of the jack stand Secure with the bolt Increase the area of the pad on the support foot 3 where the ground is soft and place a wooden plank underneath 1 BP380 7 028 BP380 7 029 2 3 5 4 1 6 Top Attachment Remove the PTO shaft 5 and rest in the retaining chain 6 Bottom Attachment Die Stütze 1 ...

Page 35: ...m 1 located on each of the left and right hand sides of the machine behind the bale channel from which amongst other things work can be carried out on the knotter mechanism Bei hydraulischer Bremse Den Schlauch für hydraulische Bremse auf den Adapter aufstecken Compressed Air and Hydraulic Hoses Fit the compressed air hoses 1 and 2 in the corres ponding brackets on the top side of the swinging dra...

Page 36: ...ck baler cannot be operated If a minimum pressure of 4 bar is present in the reser voir tank 2 for the big pack baler s brake system the brakes can be freed by pressing the push button 1 to position a As soon as the hoses are connected up to an air brake system again the push button returns to its original position b If the air pressure in the reservoir tank 2 falls below 4 bar the remaining press...

Page 37: ...s adjustments for the operation of the big pack baler using information gathered and processed by the on board computer The On Board Computer The on board computer 1 is located on the right hand side of the big pack baler behind the protective plate Disconnect the power supply to the electronic comfort controls when carrying out assembly and repair work especially when welding on the big pack bale...

Page 38: ...into the control box 3 socket 2 Secure the connection using the union nut 4 Connect the power supply cable 12 V for the comfort controls to the 3 pin power outlet on the tractor DIN 9680 See Chapter 3 4 2 Electric Supply Place and secure the connecting cables between the tractor and the round baler in such a way that they do not tense during turning or come into contact with the tractor wheels BP ...

Page 39: ...straw Blade check free free ON OFF blade check indicator light free free Open bale chamber indicator light Display Information indicator light display main switch horn control cable socket Programme button Quit button button button density force indicator light density force indicator light horn indicator light bale counter indicator light Crop pre selection damp crop indicator light Crop pre sele...

Page 40: ...rol box indicator lights light up briefly Horn sounds briefly The display 13 indicates the terminal version number then The display 13 indicates the machine version number If the self test is not performed check the power supply If the self test duration 10 sec has been performed successfully the comfort controls are operative and change into the operating mode Operating mode In the display 13 the...

Page 41: ...force is moni tored amplified and fed to the on board computer by two sensors auf dem vorderen Rahmenteil The on board computer evaluates these signals and regulates the hydraulic cylinder pressure in the bale channel flaps The signals are transmitted to the control box at the same time Here the bar charts b and c appear in various sizes according to the measured values in the display field beside...

Page 42: ...m pressure pressure gauge shows approx 60 bar when the indicator light 5 is on and approx 110 bar when the indicator light 6 is on Die Sollpresskraft ist zu hoch gewählt und mit diesem Höchstdruck nicht erreichbar Remedy Reduce the nominal density a on button 1 to the level of the measured current density b c The load is removed from the on board machine hydraulics 3 Indicator light 5 or 6 come on...

Page 43: ...at a standstill 4 6 2 Open Bale Channel The display switches to another mode when button is pressed The following message appears Release bl chamber You really want to no release yes With significant deviations between the current density readings b and c an arrow d appears in the left or right hand are of the display It shows the driver which side of the swath he should drive along to correct thi...

Page 44: ... display Bales pie 1723 Bales tot 2693 pie clear tot The current number of big packs is shown in the upper line The lower line indicates the total number of packs produced up to that point Both counters are indepen dent of each other and each can be reset witout influencing the other BALES CURRENT reset press button BALES TOTAL reset press button Switch back to the bale display using button 1 or 2...

Page 45: ...rrent display immediately A horn sounds in the control box at the same time as the alarm message appears The horn can be switched off using button 3 If button 3 is pressed again the alarm message in the display disappears and the previously shown message reappears Some faults e g BALING THRUST EXCEEDED correct themsel ves Übersicht der Alarmmeldungen siehe Anhang A 1 4 Alarm und Fehlermeldungen be...

Page 46: ...IV 10 Comfort Controls ...

Page 47: ...ations switch off the PTO shaft and bring the big pack baler to a standstill immediately Never run the big pack baler without an operator on the tractor 5 2 Basic Setup for the Big Pack Baler 5 2 1 Pick Up Raise the pick up when driving into a curve and when driving backwards Adjusting the Working Height To adjust the height of the pick up raise it and lock with the shut off tap on the right hand ...

Page 48: ...Adjusting the Height of the Baffle Plate The height of the baffle plate is dependent on the following factors Crop Length of Crop Swath Size Which Setting long short large small Straw hay X X Baffle plate high Straw hay X X Baffle plate low Straw hay X X Baffle plate high Straw hay X X Baffle plate low Silage X Baffle plate high Silage X Baffle plate low The adjustment of the height of the baffle ...

Page 49: ...ront section of the pack chute and the retaining chain 2 for the rear section 5 2 3 Regulation of the Baling Thrust The baling thrust in the bale channel is regulated by an electronic hydraulic system The baling thrust is adju sted on the comfort control The current pressure in the baling hydraulics can be read off the pressure gauge 1 on the front right hand side at any time There is another pres...

Page 50: ...both sides of the machine each of which can hold 12 rolls of twine When placing the twine in the twine box make sure that the lettering on the rolls can be read Observe the side identified with top Tie the rolls of twine together with the reef knots shown here Reduce the ends by the knot down to x 15 20 mm BP380 7 041 3 2 1 X X BP 380 7 043 BP VFS 013 BP VFS 014 Type No Knotters No Rolls of twine ...

Page 51: ...dle yoke cannot move To do this move the safety lever 1 from position a to posit ion b and rest on shaft 2 BP380 7 044 1 2 2 1 a b a b Tandem Axle With the tandem axle the mudguard must be swung out of the way to be able to feed the twine into the twine brake To do this turn the lock 1 upwards and swing the mudguard 2 out of the way BP VFS 015 ...

Page 52: ...ber die äußere Garnführung 3 in die Ösen 4 einfädeln Von hier aus über die Garnspannfedern 5 über die Garnösen 6 in die Bindenadeln 7 einfädeln und an die entsprechenden Ösen 8 anknoten BP VFS 083 8 7 6 1 2 3 5 4 BP VFS 085 BP VFS 084 8 7 6 1 2 3 5 4 BP VFS 086 Big Pack 127 128 right hand side Big Pack 127 128 left hand side Big Pack 88 right hand side Big Pack 88 left hand side ...

Page 53: ...es BP VFS 016 x 3 BP VFS 017 1 2 Die Einstellung der Garnbremsen siehe Kap 6 4 erfolgt durch Verdrehen der Einstellschrauben 1 5 4 4 Initiating the Binding Process Manually For the twine to enter the bale channel and to be taken by the knotter the binding process must be initiated manually To do this first swing the safety lever 2 downwards Move lever 1 upwards to initiate the bin ding process Mov...

Page 54: ...tying the bale channel To do this initiate the bin ding process manually see chapter 5 4 4 Initiating the Binding Process Manually Open the bale channel from the control and indicator box The procedure is thoroughly described in chapter 4 6 2 Opening the Bale Channel Actuate the pack ejector 1 with the double action control boxes and transport the big pack out of the bale channel Always return the...

Page 55: ... secured against falling down Danger of injury 6 2 Adjusting the Needles Carry out all adjustments to the needles without any twine threaded 6 2 1 Lateral Adjustment of the Needles Insert the needles 1 centrally between the clamping brackets and the needle yoke turn them towards the needle slits and screw tight with screws 2 To be able to carry out the adjustment the binding process is initiated m...

Page 56: ...ightened up firmly again after making the adjustment 6 2 3 Needles Upper Dead Centre The needle yoke is set in motion by the needle drive connecting rod 3 after the binding process has been initiated To be able to check the needles dead centre turn the needle yoke up to its highest position dead centre The needle drive connecting rod 3 and the crank arm 1 should then be overlap each other The twin...

Page 57: ...nce c 0 20 mm between the cross tube of needle yoke 4 and brake 3 Check the position of the needle yoke brake Any wrong adjustment can be corrected by shortening or lengthening the needle drive connecting rod For this see section 6 2 3 Type Position BP 88 128 Single knotter BP 88 128 Double knotter BP 127 Single knotter BP 127 Double knotter A B C D BP VFS 081 4 2 1 3 c A B C 3 D ...

Page 58: ...r the adjustment has been made place the PTO shaft for the knotter shaft back in position and secure Check the settings as described in the following chapter Checking the Setting of the Needles Relative to the Baling Ram To be able to check the setting of the needles relative to the baling ram the binding process is initiated The bal ing ram 2 is manually turned in the working direction at the fly...

Page 59: ...again If the twine bars 1 are in the middle of the openings the distance from the tip of the twine bar and the inner side of the needle 2 must be b 2 5 mm 6 3 1 Adjusting the Twine Bar Initiate the binding process manually see chapter 5 4 4 Initiating the Binding Process Manually Turn the flywheel in the working direction The needles move upwards At the same time move the twine bars over the openi...

Page 60: ... des Garnstranges kann Knoterfehler verursachen und belastet die betroffenen Bauteile übermäßig stark Checking the Tension 1 Thread the twine as specified 2 Initiate the knotting process manually 3 Turn the big pack baler s flywheel manually in the working direction until the binding needle has reached its upper dead centre 4 Draw out approx 200 mm of twine and cut 5 Den Garnstrang langsam und gle...

Page 61: ...raise and lower the baling ram After making the adjust ment the tighten the two halves of the clamp bedding again Make sure that the guide rails 4 and the guide rollers do not become dirty This can lead to increased wear and an imprecise height setting of the baling ram The guide rollers for the baling ram must carry uniformly The gap between the baling ram blade and the blades in the bale channel...

Page 62: ...e flywheel 6 6 Setting the Rake Relative to the Baling Ram The rake must be adjusted when rake gearbox or the chain coupling connect ion chains are replaced Turn the rake manually in the working direction until the small guide roller 3 des Zubringers 1 is visible in window 2 on the right hand side of the machine Lift up the guide roller with a mounting lever 4 so far that it meets resistance Hierm...

Page 63: ...ring 20 depends on e g the condition of the brake wear grade paint rust To check the spring s tension you have to actuate the back holder rake 12 For that reason put some feeder in the big baler If the back holder rake swings back again at full number of revolution the anvil 15 is allowed to bounce back from the adjust screw 14 max 1 3 mm If the anvil bounces back further you will have to increase...

Page 64: ...ging the back holder rake into its swing position again after the feeder insertion over the anvil 15 and the threaded rod 13 The anvil 15 therefore has to arrive at the adjust screw 24 The arrange measure is swing length C 140 mm The tension of the swing should be increased if the end position of the back holder rake and the anvil cannot be reached see chapter 6 8 the filling of the press channel ...

Page 65: ...28 2 1 3 4 Die Angaben zur Einstellung der Sensoren entnehmen Sie bitte dem Anhang A1 2 2 Lage der Sensoren an der BP 88 127 128 Left hand side 1 Blade sensor Multi Cut 2 Twine tightener sensor 3 Needle connecting rod sensor 4 Flywheel brake sensor ...

Page 66: ...I 12 Settings BP VFS 029 Lage der Sensoren an der BP 88 127 128 Right hand side 1 Pack shute sensor 2 Rake controle sensor 3 Sensor Rafferzufuhr 4 Knotter sensor 5 Calibration sensor 6 Measurement sensor ...

Page 67: ...the Sensors Das Maß zwischen dem Geber 2 und dem Sensor 1 muß a 3 mm betragen Adjustment Muttern an beiden Seiten des Sensors lösen Turn the nuts until the distance a 3 mm has been reached Tighten up the nuts again a BP VFS 088 2 1 ...

Page 68: ...e protective cover 3 Install the brake lever 4 Release the brake 5 Check dimension A this should be equal to 200 mm Adjust as necessary using nut 3 6 Pull the brake 7 Check dimension B this should be equal to 28 mm To correct dimension B release the brake again and adjust the grub screws 4 at either side of the brake saddle This will move the brake blocks closer to the brake disc Pull the brake ag...

Page 69: ...st be inserted from inside Do not yet tighten the bolts 6 Install the cross member hand tight onto the housing The bolts 6 must be inserted from outside 7 Align housing 3 at a right angle to the intermediate shaft The inner dimension of the housing is A 300 mm The distance between drawbar and housing can be corrected using shims Tighten the bolts 4 and 5 firmly 8 The distance between the brake dis...

Page 70: ...VI 16 Settings ...

Page 71: ...cidents To guarantee perfect operation of the big pack baler and to reduce wear maintenance and care work must be carried out at certain intervals This includes amongst other things cleaning greasing lubricating and oiling of parts and components 7 2 General Torque moment MA if not otherwise specified A thread size Screw class visible on screw head Check regularly approx every 50 hours that nuts a...

Page 72: ...Tyres Observe the order of tightening and loosening wheel nuts shown in the adjacent diagram Check the wheel nuts 10 operating hours after mounting and tighten up if necessary Subsequently check every 50 operating hours that they are fastened tightly 7 5 Opening the Front Guard Plate The front guard plate 2 is unlocked using a Schrau bendreher 1 Engage the flywheel brake Schrauben dreher in die Öf...

Page 73: ...il filters Dispose of used oil properly 7 6 2 On Board Hydraulics The big pack baler s on board hydraulics system is pressurised by its own hydraulic pump It is flanged on to the lower part of the main gearbox and requires no maintenance The on board hydraulic oil and hydraulic oil filter must be changed annually before the start of the season Have a suitable collection container ready when making...

Page 74: ...every day during the season and fill up with oil if necessary 7 6 3 On Board Hydraulic Circuit Diagram Designations a Circuit diagram for the on board hydraulics b Circuit diagram for the pick up hydraulic cylinder c Circuit diagram for the flywheel brake d Circuit diagram for the pack ejector Abbreviations A Outlet M Pressure gauge P Pump S Accumulator T Tank Designations I Electro hydraulic valv...

Page 75: ...oil level in the feed rake gearbox 3 every time before using the machine To do this unscrew the oil check screw 1 The oil must come up to the oil check hole Top up with oil if necessary Screw the check screw in again after checking the level Check the oil level in the transfer gearbox 2 every time before using the machine To do this unscrew the oil check screw 1 The oil must come up to the oil che...

Page 76: ...tion container Screw the drain screw in again Screw in the check and air evacuation screws again Oil check Check the oil level in the angular gearbox 1 before each operation To do this remove the check screw 2 The oil level must reach the lower edge of the check hole if necessary top up the oil Oil change The oil should be changed after every season To change the oil remove the discharging screw 3...

Page 77: ...ed to the compressed air reser voir tank for the knotter cleaning mechanism by a pres sure line 1 Condensed water can be drained at the water evacuation valve 3 The compressed air reservoir tank for the knotter me chanism is located on the left hand side of the machine at the top beside the bale channel Condensed water must also be drained here at the water evacuation valve Oil check Check the oil...

Page 78: ...bled cleaned parts subject to wear replaced and reassembled at least every two years The guide rollers 1 on the feed rake drum 2 are subject to heavy use Undo the nuts 3 to replace the guide rollers Pull the guide rollers out of the hole in the side wall of the rake housing Insert new guide rollers and secure with the nuts Torque moment Large guide rollers NukR 72 M24 x 1 5 250 Nm Small guide roll...

Page 79: ...plates and protective devices again properly Avoid skin contact with oils and greases In case of injury caused by discharged oil seek immediate medical attention 8 2 General As a standard feature the big pack baler is fitted with a central lubrication system for the knotter area The grease press for this system is located on the rear right hand bale channel at the same height as the mainte nance p...

Page 80: ... Tandem axle Brake lever bearings right left 4 Brake shaft bearings right left 4 Axle rocker arm right left 2 Relieve the bearing when lubricating Bowden cable right left 2 PTO shaft Main drive 6 Pick up drive low maintenance 1 year 5 Knotter drive low maintenance 1 year 3 Lubrication Points No of Lubricating Nipples Crank pin for bale ram drive right and left 2 Piston piin for baling ram drive ri...

Page 81: ...VIII 3 Lubrication Lubrication Points on the Big Pack Baler left hand side 50h 10h 10h 10h 10h 50h 50h 10h 50h 50h 50h 10h 5 x 200h ...

Page 82: ...VIII 4 Lubrication Lubrication Points on the Big Pack Baler right hand side 10h 10h 10h 10h 50h 10h 10h BP 128 8 x BP 127 8 x BP 88 6 x 10h 50 100 150 bar 50h 50h 50h 200h 10h ...

Page 83: ...VIII 5 Lubrication Lubrication Points on the Big Pack Baler with MultiCut left hand side 50h 10h 10h 10h 50h 50h 10h 50h 50h 50h 10h 5 x 200h ...

Page 84: ...VIII 6 Lubrication Lubrication Points on the Big Pack Baler with MultiCut right hand side 10h 10h 10h 10h 50 100 150 bar 50h 50h 50h 50h 10h 50h 50h 10h 50h BP 128 8 x BP 127 8 x BP 88 6 x 10h ...

Page 85: ...he knot gets stuck in the mouth The twine breaks If the clamping action is too weak either no knot or a loose knot is formed These faults can be avoided by correcting the spring tension on the spring 2 9 2 The Knotter Hook BP 380 7 090 1 2 3 4 9 1 2 Inbetriebnahme Der Knoter wurde vom Hersteller eingestellt und ge prüft Er sollte ohne weitere Einstellungen ordnungsge mäß funktionieren Treten bei d...

Page 86: ...one of its faces projects approx 1 mm over the end of the shaft The auger comes loose when tapped lightly against the hexagonal nut 4 The optimum position can be found by making a corresponding rotation The auger can only be turned when there is no twine in the twine mount The clamping strength is adjusted at the hexagonal nut 3 which tensions the helical spring 2 on the twine mount The twine moun...

Page 87: ...ance between the stripping comb on the blade lever 2 and the tip of the knotter hook 1 should be a 15 to 18 mm in the blade lever dead centre The blade lever has reached the dead centre when the blade lever roller 1 Fig BP 380 0 055 is on the highest point on the cam 1 Fig BP 380 0 058 on following page in the knotter disc 2 Fig BP 380 0 058 on the following page ...

Page 88: ...nel and swing the frame around the knotting device drive shaft For bending the blade lever 1 it is useful to make an approximately 400 mm long straightening lever 2 like in fig BP 380 7 095 With heavy blade levers the lever must be removed and adjusted with a special tool in a specialist workshop Adjusting the blade Lever BP 380 7 095 3 2 1 BP 380 7 096 The cutting edge of the twine blade must alw...

Page 89: ...gain Check that all moving parts such as deflection rollers joints tensioning rollers etc can be moved easily If necessary dismount clean grease and remount Replace with new parts if required Only use genuine KRONE replacement parts Take the PTO shafts apart Lubricate the inner tubes and the guard tubes Grease the lubricating nipple on the universal joint as well as the bearing rings on the guard ...

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Page 91: ...his Clean the knotter of protective materials plant based oils Grease all lubrication points and oil chains Wipe away all excess grease from lubrication points Change the oil in all gearboxes Check for leaks in all hydraulic hoses and lines and replace if necessary Check the air pressure in the tyres and pump up if necessary Check all screws are fastened tight and tighten up if necessary Check all...

Page 92: ...XI 2 Putting into Operation Again ...

Page 93: ...ed without blades The cutting roller then takes over the conveying function between the pick up and pre baling channel The Big Pack MultiCut 88 cutting system can be equipped with a max of 15 blades The Big Pack MultiCut 128 and Big Pack MultiCut 127 cutting system can be equipped with a max of 25 blades Theoretically cutting length is 45 mm Adjustment 45 on the selector disc A cutting length of 9...

Page 94: ...ight selector disc unlocked Fit the special spanner 1 onto the blade control shaft 2 and turn it in the direction of the arrow Turn the blade control shaft 2 to the desired position using the special spanner 1 Here 45 mm cutting length The locking lever 3 must be turned to the left until it clicks in The outer blades must be removed the outer edges of the bales become unstable BP380 7 105 ...

Page 95: ...trol shaft 2 to an intermediate position using the special spanner 1 Unlocking the blade shaft Pull out the retaining pin 1 Swing the safety lever 2 to position B until the retaining pin 1 clicks in Position A knife shaft locked Position B knife shaft unlocked If the knife shaft should be difficult to turn use open ended wrench 24 Changing blades Lift knife 1 at the rear I and pull it to the top I...

Page 96: ...a prolonged operation of the hydraulic zero blade setting it may happen that the blades slowly return into the channel this can be caused by an oil leakage of the tractor It is therefore recommended to switch off the blade control shaft mechanically Die hydraulische Messernullschaltung nicht bei mechanisch ausgeschalteter Messerschaltwelle betätigen Unlock the locking lever 3 Die Messerschaltwelle...

Page 97: ...blade 1 over the blade control shaft cam 2 should be a 15 to 18 mm The pretensioning of the blade protection system is set using the screw 3 Loosen the lock nut 4 Set the blade control shaft 5 so measurement a 15 to 18 mm using the screw 3 Tighten the lock nut 4 Softer blade protection a 18 mm Harder blade protection a 15 mm 12 1 8 Locking the free wheel If the cutting rotor should become blocked ...

Page 98: ...pressor The air inlet filter 6 should be cleaned at least once a day and in case of heavy dust loads several times a day Move the retaining clip 2 on the air filter 1 up down Remove cover 4 Dismount filter cartridge 3 tap it and with blow through from the inside outwards with air jet Dismount cover 4 again and tap it Install filter cartridge Put cover on filter and secure with retainng clips Make ...

Page 99: ...total width of the pick up the hydraulically driven swath distributor is available as an accessory Swath distributor is not fitted at the factory Repair care maintenance and cleaning work may only be carried out with the machine at a standstill Switch off the engine and remove the ignition key Apply the flywheel brake Only put the big pack into operation when all protective devices have been attac...

Page 100: ... is at a stand still Switch off the engine and remove the ignition key Engage the flywheel brake 50h BP380 7 123 Lateral limitation Lift the swath distributor 1 from below to the drawbar 3 Place swath distributor with screws 2 on drawbar 3 Line up the swath distributor in the centre in front of the pick up Tighten the screws Install the protective plate above the drive Installing swath distributor...

Page 101: ...tion The bale chute is held in working position by retaining chains 2 In ausgeklappter Stellung sind das vordere und hintere Schurrenteil miteinander verriegelt The bale chute can be set using the adjust ing screws 1 so that it is at the same level as the baling channel floor Anderenfalls arbeitet die Verriegelung nicht ordnungs gemäß The hydraulic line control unit on the tractor must be set to l...

Page 102: ...old in the bale chute 1 lift the safety collar 2 and move the operating lever 3 to position A The residual bale ejector is operated using the right hand operating lever Lift the safety collar 1 and move the operating lever 2 to position A or B Position A residual bale ejector moves forwards Position B residual bale ejector moves backwards BP380 7 126 BP380 7 127 ...

Page 103: ...ide pick up 2 4 m on public roads is only permissible with retracted gauge wheels Observe the type approval requirements Folded in the gauge wheels Remove pin 1 Release the perforated strip from pick up 2 Swing the gauge wheel bracket to the top and the rear 3 BP380 7 128 3 2 BP380 7 129 ...

Page 104: ...its support 8 Secure the bracket by installing pin 5 Put the perforated strip 6 towards the front in the direction of travel 4 5 BP380 7 130 8 5 6 BP380 7 131 7 12 6 Andere Anhängemöglichkeiten 12 6 1 Drehbare Zugöse Die Verwendung dieser Zugöse ist nur in einigen Exportländern zugelassen Höhenanpassung siehe Kap 2 2 Zulässige Stützlasten beachten 12 6 2 Hitch Anhängung Höhenanpassung siehe Kap 2 ...

Page 105: ...Rolle gerade unterhalb dieser ersten Rolle ausgestattet Die zweite Rolle führt den von unten kommenden Garnstrang die erste Rolle oben an der Nadelspitze faßt den von oben kommenden Garnstrang und führt ihn zusammen mit dem unteren Garnstrang in den Knoter wo beide miteinander verknotet werden Der Doppelknoter weist die gleiche Funktionsweise wie ein herkömmlicher Garnknoter auf Der einzige Unter ...

Page 106: ...r siehe auch Kap 5 4 1 Die Garnspulen werden in numerischer Reihenfolge miteinander verbunden Beachten Sie bitte Hinweise im Kap 5 4 1 Maschinentyp Anzahl Knoter Anzahl Rollen Anzahl Rollen Reserve Bindegarn Knoter Bindegarn Knoter Garn unten Garn oben Big Pack 88 4 4 2 Big Pack 127 128 6 2 1 6 Big Pack 88 linke Seite Big Pack 127 128 linke Seite Die in Fahrtrichtung vorderen Garnrollen stellen de...

Page 107: ...des Einlegearms 6 auf die Oberseite des Ballens Wenn die Ballenpresse leer ist können der obere und der untere Garnstrang in der Mitte der Ballenkammer miteinander verknotet werden Der obere Garnstrang wird unter den hinteren Quer träger 7 des Knotertisches hindurch geführt und an geeigneter Stelle am Rahmen befestigt Dieses könnte z B der Scharnierbolzen 8 der oberen Spannklappe sein Der Faden is...

Page 108: ...ng ist gerissen Der Knoterhaken hat keinen Knoten gebunden 12 7 4 Garnlaufanzeige Der untere Garnstrang wird elektronisch kontrolliert Kap 5 4 3 Elektrische Garnfehlanzeige Der obere Garnlauf kann durch Reflektoren Garnlauf anzeiger die oberhalb der Maschine angebracht sind überwacht werden Im Verlauf der Ballenbildung sollten sich die Garnlauf anzeiger pulsierend hin und her bewegen Alle Anzeiger...

Page 109: ...N anzeigen Durch das Andrehen der Flügelmutter 5 kann die Spannkraft erhöht werden Zum Vermindern der Span nung die Flügelmutter lösen BP VFS 041 Garnspannung am unteren Garnstrang Die Garnbremsen befinden sich an der Hinterwand des Zuführkanales Die Einstellung der Bremswirkung erfolgt wie an den oberen Garnbremsen Prüfung der Zugspannung 1 Garn nach Vorschrift einfädeln 2 Knotvorgang von Hand au...

Page 110: ...arn muß mindestens 10 mm von der Garnriegelspitze entfernt erfasst werden Die Einstellung erfolgt durch Lösen der Schrauben 4 und 3 des Garnriegels 1 Garnriegel im Langloch verschieben bis beide Bedingungenerfüllt sind Die Einstellung des seitlichen Abstandes a erfolgt am Steuergestänge 5 des Garnriegels 1 Zur Einstel lung Kontermuttern 6 lösen und Kugelkopf 7 abneh men Steuergestänge soweit verdr...

Page 111: ...ebel hat axiales Spiel Übermäßige Spannung an der Knoterzunge Garnmitnehmerscheibe zu weit vorgestellt Stumpfes Abstreifermesser Abstreiferarm zu weit vom Knoterhaken entfernt Abgenutzte oder rauhe Stellen am Knoterhaken Behebung siehe Nr 2 Garnlauf unten überprüfen und korrigieren Garnbremse unter den Garnkästen nach stellen Schmutzansammlung zwischen den Blechen und der Garnbremse entfernen Gebr...

Page 112: ... Garnspannung am unteren Garnstrang Garnmitnehmerscheibe setzt zu spät ein Falsche Einstellung des Garn riegels zum Einlegearm Garnmitnehmerscheibe setzt zu spät ein Nadel greift oberen Garnstrang nicht richtig Behebung Den Garnriegel nachstellen Nadeleinstellung überprüfen Den Garnriegel in Richtung Einlegearm einstellen VORSICHT Bei der Einstellung des Garnriegel müssen sowohl der Einlegearm als...

Page 113: ...en werden und durchrutschen Unkorrekte Garnspannung Unzureichende Spannung an der Knoterzunge Behebung Den Garnriegelmechanismus und deren Einstellung kontrollieren Die Knoterzunge auswechseln Die Spannung an der Knoterzunge erhö hen Die Garnhaltefedereinstellung überprüfen Schmutz oder Spreusammlungen unter halb der Garnhaltefedern entfernen Den Stift des Knoterhakenantriebsrades auswechseln Die ...

Page 114: ...XII 22 Special Equipment ...

Page 115: ...d skin contact with oils greases cleaning agents and solvents In case of injuries or burns caused by oils cleaning agents or solvents seek immediate medical attention After completing care and maintenance work replace all protective plates and protective devices properly Observe all other specific notes on safety 13 1 Special Notes on Safety 13 2 Needle Yoke Does Not Go Up The connecting rod 1 for...

Page 116: ...machine underneath the knotter shaft 1 Loosen the self locking nut 2 on the knurled screw 3 2 Take out the knurled screw 3 completely 3 Screw in screw 4 completely 4 Set the desired pressure by slowly screwing in the knurled screw 3 5 Read the pressure above the control block 6 Tighten up the self locking nut 2 again 13 5 Rake Drum The rake drive is protected from overloading with a spring loaded ...

Page 117: ...cks into place at low speeds 3 Reduce the baling pressure 4 Check the tractor PTO shaft speed 5 Pull the needles out of the bale channel replace the shear bolt in the knotter and needle drive if necessary 1 Tighten up the knotter shaft brake more firmly 1 Increase the baling pressure 1 Reduce the baling pressure 1 Ratchet clutch is slipping reduce engine speed 2 Stop the tractor and the machine an...

Page 118: ...ghten the pack initiating mechanism 5 Check the twine bar readjust 1 Sharpen or replace blunt or jagged twine blades 2 Too little tension on the closer tighten up spring with hexagonal screw do not tighten up on block 3 Too little tension on the twine retainer tighten the springs by tightening up the hexagonal screw do not tighten up on the block 4 Worn twine carrier or twine retainer replace part...

Page 119: ...the position of the twine bar on the bale channel 3 Wrong path of swinging twine bar adjust the struts to the twine bar 4 Broken or deformed retaining springs in the upper channel cover replace springs 5 Twine tension too low tighten the springs on the twine brake 1 Tension on the closer for the knotter hook too low tighten up the closer for the knotter hook 2 Worn knotter hook replace knotter hoo...

Page 120: ... not inserted in the twine retainer as the distance between the needle and the twine carrier is too great correct the position of the binding needle 2 Twine carrier and twine retainer form no opening for the twine collection correct the position of the twine carrier replace worn carrier pin 1 Too large a gap between the strripping comb on the blade lever and the back of the knotter hook position t...

Page 121: ...ose inlet screw fitting leaks lubricant when loosened under presure is the bearing which is blocked Clear the blockage Replace the blocked distributor If necessary the distributor can be cleaned under the following conditions A clean working area must be available Remove all pipe connection screw fittings Remove the piston screw plug with a strong screw driver If loosen by striking the screw with ...

Page 122: ...XIII 8 Faults their Causes and Elimination ...

Page 123: ...f the time when it was drawn up Subject to tech nical alterations When allocating the plug and cable designations please always observe the current indication in the comfort control display If errors should occur in the processing sequence always check whether there have been any operating errors first Observe the operating manual If it is possible to localize an error on the machine and if accord...

Page 124: ...detects an error the program stops The following message appears on the control box display Example 1 Zeile Sensor Adjustment 2 Zeile Error type z B ground fault cable break short circuit short circuit of the power supply 3 Zeile Fehlerort z B X2 plug on onboard computer 31 19 Kontakte am Stecker X2 Verbindung mit S1 Stecker des Sensors 2 1 Kontakte am Stecker S1 Beispiel Kabelbruch Leitungsunterb...

Page 125: ...er Schaltzustand gibt an in welchem Zustand der Sensor sich befindet Zum Einstellen des Sensors Taste betätigen In der Anzeige erscheint 1 Zeile Sensor 2 Zeile der elektronische Sollwert für den Sensor 3 Zeile der elektronische Istwert Bei Abweichung des Istwerts vom Sollwert muß die Abstandseinstellung des Sensors zur Schaltfahne korri giert werden Prog Quit 1 2 9 0 3 4 BP VFS 049 Messer Eichen T...

Page 126: ...chen Funktion der Ventile Alle Ventile der Maschine werden elektronisch überprüft Wenn beim Automatischen Ventiltest kein Fehler gefun den wird zeigt die Bedienung im Display nebenstehende Meldung Prog Quit 1 2 9 0 3 4 BP VFS 046 Hand Auto Sensortest weiter ok 5 6 8 7 P max Prog Quit 1 2 9 0 3 4 BP VFS 062 Hand Auto Ventiltest weiter ok 5 6 8 7 P max Prog Quit 1 2 9 0 3 4 BP VFS 063 Test Ventile b...

Page 127: ... Y2 1 vor A1 3 2 Manual Valves Test Taste betätigen Keine Überprüfung der mechanischen Funktion der Ventile Alle Ventile der Maschine werden elektronisch überprüft Alle Ventile können mit der Taste eingeschaltet und mit der Taste ausgeschaltet werden Bei Regelventil muß die Taste gehalten werden Um zu prüfen ob das richtige Ventil angesteuert wird sind alle Ventilstecker mit LED bestückt Die LED l...

Page 128: ...haltzustand gibt an in welchem Zustand der Sensor sich befindet Presskraftregelventile Der elektrohydraulische Steuerblock befindet sich unter halb des Knotertisches auf der rechten Maschinenseite Er besteht aus drei Ventilen 1 Ventil Preßkanal lösen 2 Ventil Preßkanal sperren 3 Druckregelventil Preßkanal Prog Quit 1 2 9 0 3 4 BP VFS 064 zu Regelung auf Kabelbruch X6 34 5 Y2 2 1 weiter zurück 5 6 ...

Page 129: ...einigung Das Druckluftventil der Knoterreinigung befindet sich vorne links am Knotertisch Durch Betätigen Taste wird das Ventil geöffnet Befindet sich Druckluft im Vorratsbehälter der Knoterreinigung wird diese abge blasen Durch Betätigen der Taste schließt das Ventil Prog Quit 1 2 9 0 3 4 BP VFS 066 Spracheinstellung Ist deutsch Soll deutsch weiter ok ja quit 5 6 8 7 P max Prog Quit 1 2 9 0 3 4 B...

Page 130: ...elb gr n braun wei gelb x2 8 x2 7 x2 14 x2 2 Ventil Ventil Ventil Ventil ffnen Sperren Regelung Knoter Verst rker platine 301 812 11 11 9 10 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 Sensor Rechts Links Sensor Sensor Raffer Sensor Sensor Sensor kontrolle zufuhr Sensor Schwung radbremse 43 24 34 25 36 22 16 14 13 9 29 31 19 32 20 41 16 33 36 22 17 30 18 2 14 3 4 7 8 5 6 31 23 x2 31 x2 23 31 15 30 x1 42 x1 15 x1 41 x1 32 x1 ...

Page 131: ...ng board faulty CHECK Set value in the electronics too low Set correct values ALARM NO 5 Blade protection has been initiated Check blade protection BLADES REMOVE Fremdkörper Stumpfe Messer Sharpen blades ALARM NO 6 Knoter wird bei jedem Kolbenhub Ballenlängeneinstellung CHECK KNOTTING DEV ausgelöst überprüfen ALARM NO 8 Broken cable Carry out Sensor test MEASR SENSOR CHECK Sensor not correctly adj...

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