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CONTENTS

1. START AND END OF THE BODY INPUT MODE ................................................1

1-1. Move to the body input mode ............................................................................................. 1
1-2. Return to the normal sewing mode. .................................................................................. 3

2. BASIC OPERATION AND DISPLAY ....................................................................4

3. EXAMPLE OF OPERATING PROCEDURE .......................................................13

3-1. Pattern input ...................................................................................................................... 13
3-2. Trial sewing ........................................................................................................................ 16

3-3. Modification of the pattern

............................................................................................... 17

3-4. Pattern writing ................................................................................................................... 20
3-5. Pattern reading .................................................................................................................. 21

4. INPUT OF PATTERN ..........................................................................................22

4-1. Ordinary sewing ................................................................................................................ 22

4-2. Zigzag sewing (030 to 033) ............................................................................................... 32
4-3. Offset sewing (034 to 037) ................................................................................................ 34
4-4. Double sewing ................................................................................................................... 36

(1) Double orderly sewng (040 to 043) .................................................................................................36
(2) Double reverse sewng (044 to 047) ................................................................................................38
(3) Reverse sewng (050 to 053) ...........................................................................................................39

4-5. Machine control command ............................................................................................... 41

Summary of Contents for IP-410

Page 1: ...IP 410 INPUT INSTRUCTION MANUAL ENGLISH...

Page 2: ...T OF PATTERN 22 4 1 Ordinary sewing 22 1 Jump feed 020 22 2 Linear ordinary sewing 023 24 3 Spline ordinary sewing 024 26 4 Arc ordinary sewing 025 28 5 Circle ordinary sewing 026 29 6 Point sewing 02...

Page 3: ...t adding 076 64 5 2 Vertex modification 65 1 Vertex deletion 072 and 077 65 2 Vertex move 073 and 078 66 5 3 Element deletion 063 67 5 4 Jump feed speed change 060 68 5 5 Sewing speed section change 0...

Page 4: ...N THE CURRENT NEEDLE POSITION 100 14 PERFORMING SETTING OF DISPLAY 102 15 ELEMENT FORWARD BACKWARD 130 and 131 106 16 DIRECT INSTRUCTIONS BY TOUCHING THE SCREEN 107 16 1 Coordinate direct instructions...

Page 5: ...screen is displayed 1 START AND END OF THE BODY INPUT MODE 3 Select the body input mode Press MODE SELECTION button B to change over the display from the normal sewing mode selection state to the bod...

Page 6: ...EWING DATA USE button D is pressed the body input mode standard screen is displayed in the state that the backup data is used When ENTER button E is pressed new creation can be performed D E Standard...

Page 7: ...DE button in the 6tandard screen to display the mode screen 2 Select the normal sewing mode Press MODE SELECTION button A and change over the display from body input mode selection state to normal sew...

Page 8: ...d is destroyed Scrolls the button or display upward Scrolls the button or display downward Performs the release of error Ten key screen is displayed and input of numeral can be performed Every time th...

Page 9: ...1 Pattern writing screen is displayed See 6 5 Pattern writing p 87 Coordinate direct instructions screen is displayed See 16 2 Needle entry shape points direct instructions p 109 Returns needle positi...

Page 10: ...esent needle position by one stitch forward and backward The mode becomes the continuous move mode when holding pressing a fixed number of stitches Returns present needle position to the origin Perfor...

Page 11: ...s sewing speed section change 5 5 Sewing speed section change p 69 The function you desire can be allocated to each button by means of function selection and setting function code 112 and this button...

Page 12: ...ind of element of present element is displayed In case of sewing data pictograph in accordance with the kind of element jump feed broken line spline etc is displayed In case of machine control command...

Page 13: ...TION CODE INPUT button C is pressed the function code input screen is displayed and the function code can be direct inputted Direct input the function code with TEN KEYS to E or select the function co...

Page 14: ...ious input values are moved up by one digit each In addition the input value can be increased or decreased with or button B Changeable unit depends on the kind of setting item When ENTER button E is p...

Page 15: ...the shape point or the needle entry point At K the number of input points is displayed PASSING POINT button B may not be displayed according to the selected function 2 Press BACKWARD button D after mo...

Page 16: ...and the screen returns to the standard screen By pressing ENTER button at inputting of the last point pressing down of the deciding point button can be omitted 5 Press COORDINATE DIRECT INSTRUCTIONS...

Page 17: ...jump feed Press JUMP FEED button A in the standard screen to display the jump feed setting screen 3 EXAMPLE OF OPERATING PROCEDURE Press ENTER button B in the jump feed setting screen to display the...

Page 18: ...the stitch length setting screen Return to the linear ordinary sewing setting screen confirm that the display of stitch length setting button is 3 0 mm and press ENTER button H Move the needle positio...

Page 19: ...ton K The standard screen is displayed and is displayed at N With the aforementioned operation a pattern as shown in the figure on the left hand side is created 3 Input of thread trimming Press THREAD...

Page 20: ...em of trial sewing change in accordance with machine models Description below is the example regarding AMS 210E 1 Display the trial sewing preparation screen Press TRIAL SEWING button in the standard...

Page 21: ...screen and press ENTER button C in the confirmation screen Jump feed up to 1 is deleted and the needle position returns to the origin At this time linear sewing from 1 through 5 is in the state of sta...

Page 22: ...e figure below 3 Deletion of point Move the needle position up to the position of E in the standard screen using FEED FORWARD BACKWARD buttons A Select ABSOLUTE POINT DELETION function code 074 from t...

Page 23: ...n up to section M you desire to change the speed When ENTER button S is pressed the speed of the specified section is changed and the screen returns to the standard screen 5 Move of point Move the nee...

Page 24: ...s changed in color When the media is selected press ENTER button F to return to the pattern writing screen 4 Select pattern No Press TEN key to C or or button D in the pattern writing screen to specif...

Page 25: ...pattern reading screen 4 Select the object media Press OBJECT MEDIA SELECTION button A to display the object media selection screen Select MEDIA press ENTER button and the screen returns to the patter...

Page 26: ...s is used when moving the presser to the specified position without driving the sewing machine 2 Set the jump feed Present jump feed speed set value is displayed at JUMP FEED SPEED SETTING button B in...

Page 27: ...as the shape point passing point 6 End the setting of jump feed When ENTER button I is pressed the set data is inputted and the screen returns to the standard screen It is possible to input by repeati...

Page 28: ...ayed at STITCH LENGTH INPUT button A and the set value of the present sewing speed is displayed at SEWING SPEED INPUT button B in the linear ordinary sewing setting screen When the button of the item...

Page 29: ...4 Input the coordinate When the needle position has moved to the specified position and DECIDING POINT button H is pressed the position is inputted as the shape point passing point 5 End the setting...

Page 30: ...and sewing speed is the same as that of the linear ordinary sewing After setting or when it is not necessary to change press ENTER button C and the coordinate input screen is displayed 3 Move the need...

Page 31: ...enter of the section having loose bulge as the input points 3 7 and 1 4 Select the points near both ends and the last point as the input points 2 2 and 3 2 Ellipse can be inputted using the spline ord...

Page 32: ...eedle position is inputted as the specified stitch length Sewing direction is in the order of the specified points and either clockwise direction or counterclockwise one can be inputted 1 Display the...

Page 33: ...desire to change is pressed the input screen of the set value is displayed Setting procedure of stitch length and sewing speed is the same as that of the linear ordinary sewing After setting or when i...

Page 34: ...not necessary to change press ENTER button C and the coordinate input screen is displayed This function is used when direct inputting the needle entry point one stitch by one stitch 6 Point sewing 021...

Page 35: ...g procedure of the stitch length and the sewing speed is the same as that of the linear ordinary sewing When ENTER button C is pressed the coordinate input screen is displayed 3 Specify the position P...

Page 36: ...zigzag sewing can be specified with START DIRECTION buttons D and E Button or which is changed in color is the starting direction which is selected now When START DIRECTION LEFT button D is pressed t...

Page 37: ...hape point passing point It is possible to input by repeating the steps of 3 and 4 as well 5 End setting of the linear zigzag sewing When ENTER button I is pressed the set data is inputted and the scr...

Page 38: ...LENGTH INPUT button A the set value of present offset width is displayed at OFFSET WIDTH INPUT button B and the set value of present sewing speed is displayed at SEWING SPEED INPUT button C in the li...

Page 39: ...int can be omitted Setting procedure of the offset sewing of other shapes is the same as that of the linear offset sewing Inputting procedure of the coordinate of the respective sewings is the same as...

Page 40: ...th is displayed at STITCH LENGTH INPUT button A the set value of present double sewing width is displayed at DOUBLE SEWING WIDTH INPUT button B and the set value of present sewing speed is displayed a...

Page 41: ...End setting of the linear double orderly sewing When ENTER button I is pressed the set data is inputted and the screen returns to the standard screen DECIDING POINT button of the last point can be om...

Page 42: ...wing so that the sewing composed at the input point and that of the offset figure are in the reverse direction There are 4 kinds of the double reverse sewings below Linear double reverse sewing functi...

Page 43: ...de list screen the linear reverse sewing setting screen is displayed 2 Perform setting of the linear reverse sewing The set value of present stitch length is displayed at STITCH LENGTH INPUT button A...

Page 44: ...is pressed the position is inputted as the shape point passing point It is possible to input by repeating the steps of 3 and 4 as well 5 End setting of the linear reverse sewing When ENTER button F i...

Page 45: ...t the present needle position to one point on the pattern of jump feed 2 Select the 2nd origin When selecting and executing 2ND ORIGIN function code 002 in the code list screen the left hand screen is...

Page 46: ...Stop position Presser lifting position Presser lowering position 1 Select the Stop When selecting and executing STOP function code 003 in the code list screen the left hand screen is displayed 2 Speci...

Page 47: ...ing ONE REVOLUTION OF SEWING MACHINE function code 006 in the code list screen the left hand screen is displayed 2 Input one revolution of sewing machine When ENTER button A is pressed in the left han...

Page 48: ...een This function inputs the thread tension controller No 3 command 6 Thread tension controller No 3 007 1 Select the thread tension controller No 3 When selecting and executing THREAD TENSION CONTROL...

Page 49: ...e in case of setting refer to the Engineer s Manual 8 External input 011 This function performs waiting for signal from input terminal of the sewing machine main unit 1 Select the external input When...

Page 50: ...the code list screen the left hand screen is displayed 2 Perform setting of the output terminal No Set the terminal No to which output is performed with TEN key to A and or button B in the left hand...

Page 51: ...gement reduction reference point 004 1 Select the enlargement reduction reference point When selecting and executing ENLARGEMENT REDUCTION REFERENCE POINT function code 004 in the code list screen the...

Page 52: ...only when the inversion state is set to the optional inversion at clamp inversion setting 9 2 Clamp inversion setting p 93 11 Inversion point 005 1 Select the inversion point When selecting and execut...

Page 53: ...value of thread tension with TEN key to A and or button B in the left hand screen and press ENTER button C Then the value of the set thread tension is inputted and the screen returns to the standard s...

Page 54: ...lue of the set thread tension is inputted and the screen returns to the standard screen When or button B is pressed with the intermediate presser lowered the intermediate presser interlocks and become...

Page 55: ...ION function code 016 in the code list screen the left hand screen is displayed 2 Input the area Classification When ENTER button A is pressed in the right hand screen the area Classification command...

Page 56: ...elected button is changed 3 Input the sewing machine stop When ENTER button B is pressed in the left hand screen stop command is inputted and the screen returns to the standard screen A B Button displ...

Page 57: ...machine control command deletion When ENTER button A is pressed in the left hand screen the machine control command is deleted and the screen returns to the standard screen A Sewing speed is inputted...

Page 58: ...ING SETTING button B in the automatic back tack setting screen When the button of the item you desire to change is pressed the input screen of the set value is displayed When the number of stitches is...

Page 59: ...is displayed at NUMBER OF STITCHES AT RHE END OF SEWING SETTING button B and the set value of present pitch is displayed at PITCH SETTING button C in the condensation sewing setting screen When the b...

Page 60: ...displayed 2 Perform setting of the overlapped sewing When FEED BACKWARD button A or FEED FORWARD button B is pressed the needle entry point can be traced The present needle position is displayed in r...

Page 61: ...ng function code 024 in the code list screen and perform the coordinate input of the spline ordinary sewing Input points 1 2 and 4 with PASSING POINT button A and point 3 and point 5 with DECIDING POI...

Page 62: ...oint 2 is the linear sewing and point 5 and point 7 become the breakpoints number of shape points 2 since the point before the points 5 and 7 is the spline sewing 3 Perform modification of the shape p...

Page 63: ...the same coordinates When performing the shape point deletion of either point of rear 2 or point of front 3 the breakpoint becomes the normal passing point and the continuous spline sewing is formed 5...

Page 64: ...or FEED FORWARD key in the standard screen 5 1 Point modification 1 Point deletion 070 and 074 5 MODIFICATION OF THE PATTERN 1 Select the relative point deletion Select and execute RELATIVE POINT DELE...

Page 65: ...t and execute ABSOLUTE POINT DELETION function code 074 in the code list screen In this case the pattern data after the deleted point does not move Absolute point deletion 1 As the result of deleting...

Page 66: ...ke when the point move is executed it is changed to the point sewing 1 Select the relative point move Select and execute RELATIVE POINT MOVE function code 071 in the code list screen 2 Specify the rel...

Page 67: ...ch a case as this modify the pattern data so that it is put within the sewing area using the modification function In case of the absolute point move select and execute ABSOLUTE POINT MOVE function co...

Page 68: ...g MOVE key A and press ENTER button B Then the absolute point adding confirmation screen is displayed 1 As the result of adding the point be careful that the distance of change does not exceed the max...

Page 69: ...n ENTER button A is pressed in the relative vertex deletion confirmation screen the relative vertex deletion is executed and the screen returns to the standard screen Relative vertex deletion In case...

Page 70: ...unction code 073 in the code list screen 2 Specify the relative vertex move position Specify the moving position of the vertex using MOVE key B in the relative vertex move position specifying screen a...

Page 71: ...code list screen the element deletion executing screen is displayed 2 Execute the element deletion When ENTER button B is pressed in the element deletion screen the element deletion is executed and th...

Page 72: ...p feed speed change setting screen is displayed 2 Input the changing jump feed speed Set the jump feed speed after change with TEN key to A and or button B in the jump feed speed change setting screen...

Page 73: ...hange setting screen is displayed 2 Input the changing speed The speed after change is set with TEN key to A and or button B in the sewing speed section change setting screen When ENTER Button C is pr...

Page 74: ...wing pitch Set the sewing pitch after change with TEN key to A and or button B in the sewing pitch change setting screen When ENTER button C is pressed the sewing pitch change range specifying screen...

Page 75: ...hich is symmetrical to Y axis passing the present needle position is created The present pattern is kept as it is and the symmetrical pattern is added after it 1 Execute X axis symmetry When selecting...

Page 76: ...igure which is symmetrical to Y axis passing the present needle position is created The present pattern is erased and jump feed is added up to the top of the symmetrical pattern 1 Execute the Y symmet...

Page 77: ...irmation screen is displayed When ENTER button A is pressed the presser moves up to the 1st shape point and the shape point specifying screen is displayed 2 Specify the shape point Specify the shape p...

Page 78: ...n the way of element may be deleted Then the shape point adding is executed and the screen returns to the standard screen Example that shape point J is added after shape point I is as shown in the fig...

Page 79: ...t of 5 8 1 Shape point adding p 73 After confirming the move of presser select the shape point to be moved and specify the position of moving destination in the position specifying screen of the right...

Page 80: ...ction code 137 in the code list screen the presser move confirmation screen is displayed When ENTER button A is pressed the presser moves and the shape point specifying screen is displayed 2 Specify t...

Page 81: ...the machine control command on the way of element may be deleted 4 Execute the shape point deletion When ENTER button F is pressed in the shape point deletion confirmation screen the shape point dele...

Page 82: ...ed the confirmation screen is displayed 5 When ENTER button F is pressed in the pattern copy confirmation screen the pattern copy is executed and the screen returns to the standard screen 1 Operation...

Page 83: ...screen the pattern move position specifying screen is displayed 3 Specify the move destination of the pattern Adjust the move destination to the position you desire using MOVE KEY A 4 Execute the patt...

Page 84: ...returns to the standard screen All inputted pattern data are erased the feed moves and the needle position returns to the origin 1 Erased pattern data cannot be restored 2 When creating a new pattern...

Page 85: ...ing these buttons the pattern displayed in section A can be changed over 3 Specify direct the pattern No When PATTERN NO SPECIFYING BUTTON C is pressed the pattern No specifying screen is displayed Pa...

Page 86: ...p feed read button and the setting is changed over alternately and every time the button is pressed 3 When PATTERN ERASE button G is pressed the pattern erase screen is displayed When ENTER button L i...

Page 87: ...ion ratio setting button 2 Input X enlargement reduction ratio Input enlargement reduction ratio with TEN key to D or or key E Press or key and the value increases decreases in increments of 0 01 When...

Page 88: ...TCHES INCREASE DECREASE G or STITCH LENGTH INCREASE DECREASE H in the enlargement reduction procedure selection screen The color of the selected button is changed When ENTER button I is pressed the se...

Page 89: ...media 3 Set the kind of reading data Object media to read the pattern data and the kind of pattern data can be selected Object media Sewing machine memory Media Pictograph It is possible to select th...

Page 90: ...returns to the pattern reading screen 2 Set the kind of pattern When KIND OF PATTERN SELECTION button E is pressed the kind of pattern setting screen is displayed B E Select the kind of pattern to re...

Page 91: ...ing ENTER button C and inserting thread trimming F or not inserting G can be selected When either button is pressed the pattern writing is executed 3 Execute the pattern writing When ENTER button C is...

Page 92: ...AT function code 090 is selected in the code list screen the format screen can be selected as well Media is formatted When performing formatting all data disappear It is not possible to restore the da...

Page 93: ...n E is pressed the sewing screen of trial sewing is displayed 8 TRIAL SEWING B D A F E C 3 Prepare the trial sewing a When thread clamp button A is pressed ON OFF of thread clamp can be changed altern...

Page 94: ...When the pattern was selected from the media or users pattern was edited in the normal sewing mode the data will disappear d When PRESSER HEIGHT SETTING button D is pressed the intermediate presser re...

Page 95: ...the trial sewing preparation screen the thread tension reference value can be set d When START OF SEWING button R is pressed the presser can be returned to the position of the start of sewing e ON OF...

Page 96: ...ed at the position the character is inserted to the position of the cursor When DELETION button G is pressed the character located on the left hand side of the cursor is deleted As many as 255 charact...

Page 97: ...nce value setting 113 1 Display the thread tension reference value setting screen Select and execute THREAD TENSION REFERENCE VALUE function code 113 in the code list screen and the thread tension ref...

Page 98: ...lue setting screen is displayed 2 Set the intermediate presser height reference value Directly input the value with TEN keys to A or increase decrease the value with and buttons B in the intermediate...

Page 99: ...he ending procedure Select whether returning to the input start point one point by one point at the time of end of the graphic form input and performing the trace of the needle entry point of the crea...

Page 100: ...ted F button is displayed in B section 3 Select the function to be allocated Select the code No of the function you desire to allocate F button from code list C or press CODE INPUT button D and input...

Page 101: ...uttons through H and allocation to the next F button can be continued When CANCEL button I is pressed the screen returns to the standard screen 5 Using F button For the F button to which the function...

Page 102: ...y the set value reference screen Select and execute SET VALUE REFERENCE function code 093 in the code list screen and the set value reference screen is displayed Contents to be displayed can be change...

Page 103: ...7 8 Contents Total number of stitches Inversion setting X enlarging ratio Y enlarging ratio Enlarging reducing reference point X coordinate Enlarging reducing reference point Y coordinate Tracing set...

Page 104: ...POSITION 1 Display the contents of pattern display screen Press PATTERN CONTENTS DISPLAY button in the standard screen and the contents of pattern display screen is displayed Contents to be displayed...

Page 105: ...e position is displayed Intermediate presser height of the current needle position is displayed List of the display of contents in the contents of pattern display screen Actual sewing machine motion b...

Page 106: ...g selected at present is displayed in each button When CANCEL button F is pressed the screen returns to the standard screen 2 Perform Setting of the display update setting Press DISPLAY UPDATE SETTING...

Page 107: ...display setting screen The zoom setting screen is displayed Select the magnification you desire to display from ZOOM AMOUNT button J The color of the selected button is changed When ENTER button K is...

Page 108: ...reflected For LK 1900A series the display button is not displayed with the intermediate presser height set value Q O R P Kind of point Current point 3 stitches in the direction of sewing start 3 stit...

Page 109: ...point display setting screen is displayed Displaying all needle entry points S and displaying 3 points of current before and after and top and end only of the pattern T can be selected The color of t...

Page 110: ...element moves to the last position of the next element 2 Select the element backward Select and execute ELEMENT BACKWARD function code 131 in the code list screen the element moves to the top position...

Page 111: ...structions screen When COORDINATE INSTRUCTIONS button A is pressed in the screen to specify the position such as the specifying position of the sewing pattern screen the specifying position of the poi...

Page 112: ...sser move confirmation screen the presser moves to the position instructed with the cross cursor and the screen returns to the specifying position screen The presser moves linearly When there is any o...

Page 113: ...ANDIDATE RETRIEVAL key D is pressed the needle entry near the cross cursor is retrieved and the next or the previous candidate is set to the selected state 16 2 Needle entry shape points direct instru...

Page 114: ...creen When MEMORY SWITCH button A is pressed the memory switch data list screen is displayed 17 PERFORMING SETTING OF THE MEMORY SWITCH DATA 17 1 Setting of the memory switch data is performed 3 Selec...

Page 115: ...ry switch list screen and the display language is changed over Selection of the language is common to the language setting of the normal sewing mode When setting is changed the language of the normal...

Page 116: ...layed is pressed from among to at section G the pressed button changes the color and the color becomes the display color of the point which is selected at section E When ENTER button H is pressed the...

Page 117: ...selected in the code list screen 2 Select the function code to be displayed Function code buttons are displayed at section B of the code list display selection screen When the function code button is...

Page 118: ...inputted Reference point to perform enlarging reducing is set Clamp inversion command is inputted Sewing machine one revolution is inputted ON OFF of thread tension controller No 3 is performed Mark...

Page 119: ...feed is created Sewing data of point sewing is created Sewing data of linear line and curve is created Sewing data of linear line is created Sewing data of spline curve is created Sewing data of arc i...

Page 120: ...ted Sewing data of spline double orderly sewing is created Sewing data of arc double orderly sewing is created Sewing data of circle double orderly sewing is created Sewing data of linear double rever...

Page 121: ...sewing is created Mechanical control command is deleted Speed of the created jump feed data is changed Speed of the created sewing data is changed Stitch length of the created sewing data is changed C...

Page 122: ...entry point is moved and rear data does not move Needle entry point is added and rear data does not move Vertex of linear line is deleted and rear data does not move Vertex of linear line is moved and...

Page 123: ...01 102 103 104 105 Function Media is formatted Setting of clamp inversion is performed Sewing speed is inputted Set value of pattern data is displayed Current needle position is taken as the reference...

Page 124: ...Function Function code is inputted Tracing not tracing of data at the time of end execution is set Function is allocated to F button Thread tension reference value is set Intermediate presser height r...

Page 125: ...ing current needle position In case of the last position it moves to the last position of the next element Element moves to the top position of element including current needle position In case of the...

Page 126: ...eight setting Thread tension setting Thread tension reference value Intermediate presser height reference value Function No 20 SETTING RANGE LIST Min value 0 1mm 0 1mm 0 1mm 0 1mm 0 1mm 0 1mm 0 1mm 0...

Page 127: ...sewing Intermediate presser height setting Thread tension setting Thread tension reference value Intermediate presser height reference value Function No Min value 0 1mm 0 1mm 0 1mm 0 1mm 0 1mm 0 1mm 0...

Page 128: ...performing backup or trial sewing For this reason when the pattern was selected from the media in the normal sewing mode or users pattern was edited the data will disappear It is necessary to select t...

Page 129: ...rmed External media capacity over Capacity of external media is insufficient When an error occurs during motion of the body input mode the error screen is displayed Error code is displayed at A pictog...

Page 130: ...position When RESET switch is pressed needle returns to UP position Air pressure drop Air pressure is dropped File cannot be read It cannot be handled due to the problem of compatibility or breakage...

Page 131: ...rc two points of the shape point are not specified When two points of the shape point are in the same point successively Limit of number of stitches is over Hardware error has occurred Set value excee...

Page 132: ...onfirmation Erasing is performed OK Point change confirmation Point change is performed OK When the shape of the element is not kept it is changed to the point Overwriting confirmation Overwriting is...

Page 133: ...ment mechanical control command deletion confirmation Mechanical control command of some midpoint of element is deleted OK Delete the command when re operation of element is necessary Shape point dele...

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