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Designing Touch Panel Pages

23

10.4" Touch Panels

4.

Press

NUM

to open a keypad and set the level number assigned to the device.

5.

Enter a number 1 – 8. Each device can have from 1 – 8 levels

except

joysticks, where the range

is 1 – 7.

6.

Press

ENTER

to save, close the keypad, and return to the Button Properties page.

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Summary of Contents for AXD-CA10

Page 1: ...instruction manual Touch Panels and Accessories 10 4 Touch Panels Firmware version G3 ...

Page 2: ...e RMA is cancelled will be refused AMX is not responsible for products returned without a valid RMA number AMX Corporation is not liable for any damages caused by its products or for the failure of its products to perform This includes any lost profits lost savings incidental damages or consequential damages AMX Corporation is not liable for any claim made by a third party or by an AMX Dealer for ...

Page 3: ...nnector for mouse control or data 11 Using the VGA IN HD 15 male high density connector 12 Designing Touch Panel Pages 15 Buttons 15 Activating Edit Mode 16 Setting the Device Base 18 Setting the Device Used 18 Adding a Page 18 Setting the page color 18 Adding a Button 18 Resizing a button 19 Defining On Screen and External Button Properties 19 Setting the channel code 19 Setting the variable text...

Page 4: ...ommands 45 Shorthand Variable Text Commands 47 Button String Commands 50 Upgrading the Firmware 53 Upgrading the Firmware Using NetLinx Studio 53 Upgrading Firmware through a COM port 53 Upgrading the Firmware through an IP Address 55 Upgrading the Firmware Using SoftROM 57 Configuration 58 Downloading the Firmware 58 Changing the LCD Viewing Angle 59 Changing the Viewing Angle to 6 o clock podium...

Page 5: ...GA SVGA XGA DOS Free standing TiltScreen AXT CA10 AXT CV10 AXT CG10 Wall Mount Decor style AXD CA10 AXD CV10 AXD CG10 Rack Mount Rack mount AXM CA10 AXM CV10 AXM CG10 Pushbutton AXD CA10 PB AXM CA10 PB AXD CV10 PB AXM CV10 PB AXD CG10 PB AXM CG10 PB Specifications Dimensions HWD AXD Decor Wall Mount 8 88 x 12 88 x 2 19 22 56 cm x 32 72 cm x 5 56 cm AXM Rack Mount 8 72 x 19 00 x 1 78 22 15 cm x 48 ...

Page 6: ...ale connector Color Video Graphic AXD and AXM models Graphics 15 pin HD 15 high density male connector Color Graphic model only PWR 2 pin 12 VDC power supply jack Enclosure Decor Metal with black matte finish screwed security overlay CB TP3 Backbox TiltScreen Black plastic with matte finish Rack mount Metal with black matte finish engraved overlay low profile Backbox Character Support Unicode char...

Page 7: ...ackboxes 1 Cut out the surface using the dimensions shown in FIG 1 2 Carefully insert a flat blade screwdriver into the release slot on the touch panel s faceplate and remove the engraved overlay 3 Place the touch panel into the cutout and mark the screw insert positions as shown in FIG 1 4 Remove the touch panel and drill four 6 32 insert holes Then place a threaded insert into each hole FIG 1 AX...

Page 8: ...sure panel 11 Place the faceplate onto the bezel You can also secure the faceplate to the bezel using the four Phillips flathead security screws Once attached to the faceplate the security screws cannot be replaced without removing the overlay 12 Remove the backing from the adhesive tape strips located on the front of the panel press the engraved overlay onto the faceplate 13 Reconnect the AXlink ...

Page 9: ...e panel FIG 3 Then place 6 32 threaded inserts or screw anchors into the four holes marked B FIG 3 6 Disconnect the AXlink connector from the Central Controller RS 232 connector and the optional graphic video wiring from the source equipment 7 Remove one or more knockouts to accommodate the wiring 8 Thread the incoming AXlink RS 232 and optional graphic video wiring through the CB TP3 knockouts Re...

Page 10: ...lay onto the faceplate Once attached to the faceplate the security screws cannot be replaced without removing the overlay 15 Reconnect the AXlink wiring to the Central Controller RS 232 wiring to the mouse if used and optional graphic video wiring to the source equipment The touch panel will beep on power up Installing touch panels and a CB TP3 Backbox plasterboard FIG 4 shows the AXD CA10 PB and ...

Page 11: ...mation 9 Fasten the CB TP3 to the plasterboard using the expansion screws supplied with the enclosure 10 Connect the AXlink RS 232 and the optional graphic video wiring to the touch panel 11 Test the connection by reconnecting the AXlink connector to the Central Controller and the optional video wiring to the video equipment The panel beeps on power up Before continuing disconnect all connections ...

Page 12: ...Controller exceeds power consumption limits you must connect an optional 12 VDC power supply to the 2 pin PWR connector Preparing captive wires You need a wire stripper soldering iron and flat blade screwdriver to prepare and connect the captive wires 1 Strip 0 25 inch of wire insulation off all wires 2 Insert each wire into the appropriate opening on the connector according to the wiring diagrams...

Page 13: ...n the 2 pin AXlink connector FIG 6 1 Insert the PWR and GND wires into the terminal end of the PSN 2 pin AXlink cable 2 Tighten the clamp to secure the two wires 3 Verify the connection of the other end to the 2 pin 3 5 mm mini Phoenix on the PSN Using AXlink for data and power Connect the Central Controller s AXlink connector to the AXlink connector on the touch panel for data and 12 VDC power as...

Page 14: ...entral Controller AXlink connectors together insert them into the clamp position for GND on the touch panel AXlink connector 3 Tighten the clamp and secure the two GND wires FIG 7 AXlink wiring diagram PWR AXP TX AXM RX GND To the touch panel To the external Central Controller AXlinx PWR connector PWR AXP TX AXM RX GND Top view Top view If you are using power from AXlink disconnect the wiring from...

Page 15: ...es from the power supply and Central Controller to the PWR terminal on the touch panel AXlink connector Only the power supply s PWR wire should be connected to the touch panel AXlink connector If both sources are used to provide power to the touch panel an electrical hazard is created and the threat of both equipment damage and injury is likely DB9 RS 232 Connector Pinouts Pin Signal Function 1 N ...

Page 16: ... Blue Blue signals 4 N A Not used 5 GND Signal Ground 6 RAGND Red analog ground 7 GAGND Green analog ground 8 BAGND Blue analog ground 9 N A Not used 10 SAGND Synchronization analog ground 11 N A Not used 12 N A Not used 13 HSYNC Horizontal synchronization signal 14 VSYNC Vertical synchronization signal 15 N A Not used VGA HD 15 male connector 10 6 5 1 15 11 CG10 panels are capable of receiving a ...

Page 17: ...Installation 13 10 4 Touch Panels ...

Page 18: ...Installation 14 10 4 Touch Panels ...

Page 19: ...s and specify panel communication parameters Button examples include selection buttons information buttons adjustment buttons and operation bars The general button categories are described in the table below General Button Categories Selection buttons Selection buttons appear on touch panel pages and set communica tion parameters Information buttons Information buttons contain serial numbers and f...

Page 20: ...s ENTER after typing an incorrect password you are immediately returned to the previous page General Button Categories Cont Status buttons Status buttons always have a dark fill with light letters and have no functionality except to display information Operation bars Operation bars appear in the place of the Editor bar after selecting a button or page edit operation The operation bar indicates whi...

Page 21: ...and return to the Setup page now in Edit mode 6 Press EXIT again to return to the Main page The EDIT button appears at the top of the page indicating Edit mode is active 7 Press EDIT to open the Edit bar The BUTTON and PAGE options in the Edit bar FIG 13 are used to design and modify button and page settings FIG 11 Setup page FIG 12 Protected Setup page with the active EDITOR button FIG 13 Main pa...

Page 22: ...ve the value Adding a Page 1 Press PAGE on the Edit bar to open the PAGE menu 2 Press ADD to open the keyboard and enter a name for the new page Page names can be up to 20 characters 3 Press EXIT CHANGE to save close the keyboard and go to the new page Setting the page color 1 Press EDIT to open the Edit bar on the newly created page 2 Press PAGE on the Edit bar to open the PAGE menu 3 Press PAGE ...

Page 23: ...Button Properties page This page lists the properties for the active button 4 Press BUTTON TYPE this opens the BUTTON TYPE menu 5 Choose a button type for the selected button to open the associated Button Properties page Each button type has its own Button Properties page with settings specific to the button 6 Press BORDER to open the BUTTON BORDER pages 7 Select a border to set for the button and...

Page 24: ... channel number 5 Enter a channel value of 1 255 in the keypad The source code uses the channel code number to identify the button and its operations 6 Press ENTER to save the channel number close the keypad and return to the Button Properties page Setting the page flip 1 Press the PAGE FLIP TYPE button FIG 14 in the Button Properties page to open the PAGE FLIP TYPE menu 2 Select a Page Flip type ...

Page 25: ...ets the On and Off properties the same 5 Press EXIT SAVE CHANGE to close the Text Image page and return to the Main page Using TPDesign3 to Download Bitmaps Icons and Fonts TPDesign3 allows you to download bitmaps icons and fonts into your touch panel from an existing touch panel program Touch Panel programs are created in the TPDesign3 software program Refer to the TPDesign3 Touch Panel Program i...

Page 26: ...Adding a bargraph or joystick button Create a new button using the Add operation bar in the BUTTON menu 1 Press BUTTON in the Edit bar to open the BUTTON menu 2 Press PROPERTIES in the BUTTON menu to open the PROPERTIES operation bar 3 Press any button to open the Button Properties page 4 Press BUTTON TYPE to open the BUTTON TYPE menus Choose a button type to open its Button Properties page Settin...

Page 27: ...Press NUM to open a keypad and set the level number assigned to the device 5 Enter a number 1 8 Each device can have from 1 8 levels except joysticks where the range is 1 7 6 Press ENTER to save close the keypad and return to the Button Properties page ...

Page 28: ...Designing Touch Panel Pages 24 10 4 Touch Panels ...

Page 29: ...able brightness and contrast always 0 Syntax PAR Example PAR Requests the information SC Sends a serial port send_command within a panel as if sent from Axcess Syntax SC device offset send_command variable text data Variables device offset Device number variable text The variable text number value on the touch panel Example SC 1 TXT 2 TEXT The string is sends the command to put text on a button wi...

Page 30: ... If the communication is active and working the response is How are you doing MOUSE Sets the serial interface type Syntax MOUSE mouse type Variables mouse type 00 Mouse cursor Off 01 Microsoft serial mouse cursor On 8000 Touch Output to Serial Port 8000 Elo IntelliTouch Example MOUSE 01 Turns on Microsoft compatible serial mouse Refer to the MOU section on page 40 for the chart describing the BIT ...

Page 31: ...ns the current version of the main firmware WORKING Verifies the com munication between the touch panel and the Ter minal Emulator Syntax WORKING Example WORKING Response SC 1 CPAGE72 Main Page Responding touch panel turns its Main page the color white This command verifies serial communication The 10 4 panel must have a page named Main Page for this command to work properly ZAP Clears all mem ory...

Page 32: ...ble beep value is set to 0 in the Setup page Syntax ADBEEP Example SEND_COMMAND TP ADBEEP Double beeps the panel AKEYB Opens the touch panel keyboard and initializes the text string entry The keyboard string is set to null during power up and stored until power down Syntax AKEYB text string Variable text string 0 59 characters Example SEND_COMMAND TP AKEYB TOUCH HERE Opens the touch panel keyboard...

Page 33: ...disable the beep after a QBEEP command BRIT Adjustsbrightness of display Syntax BRIT level Variable level 1 8 1 minimum 8 maximum Example SEND_COMMAND TP BRIT 8 Sets to highest brightness level CALIBRATE Starts the touch panel calibration sequence Syntax CALIBRATE Example SEND_COMMAND TP CALIBRATE Starts the calibration operation on the touch panel CLOCK Sets the time and date Syntax CLOCK mm dd y...

Page 34: ...gin to another corner MOUSE Turns on the Microsoft Serial Mouse Syntax MOUSE mouse type Variables mouse type 00 Mouse cursor Off 01 Microsoft serial mouse cursor On 8000 Touch Output to Serial Port 8000 Elo IntelliTouch Example SEND_COMMAND TP MOUSE 01 Turns on Microsoft compatible serial mouse Refer to the MOU section on page 40 for the chart describing the BIT information and definitions PAGE Fl...

Page 35: ...Popup Page 1 Opens Popup Page 1 QBEEP Stops all beeps Syntax QBEEP Example SEND_COMMAND TP QBEEP Stops all beeps including ABEEP ADBEEP and AXlink beeps RESET Clears panel sta tus same as power up Saved data is not cleared Syntax RESET Example SEND_COMMAND TP RESET Resets the touch panel SETUP Goes to the Setup page Syntax SETUP Example SEND_COMMAND TP SETUP Flips the touch panel to the Setup page...

Page 36: ...E TP1_BUFFER CLEAR_BUFFER TP1_BUFFER IF FIND_STRING TP1_BUFFER PPON 1 OR FIND_STRING TP1_BUFFER PPOF 1 SEND_COMMAND TP2 TP1_BUFFER CLEAR_BUFFER TP1_BUFFER IF LENGTH_STRING TP2_BUFFER IF FIND_STRING TP2_BUFFER PAGE 1 TRASH REMOVE_STRING TP2_BUFFER PAGE 1 SEND_COMMAND TP1 PAGE TP2_BUFFER CLEAR_BUFFER TP2_BUFFER IF FIND_STRING TP1_BUFFER PPON 1 OR FIND_STRING TP1_BUFFER PPOF 1 SEND_COMMAND TP1 TP2_BU...

Page 37: ...rs Example SEND_COMMAND TP XMRT 9 Sets the XMODEM wait for character retries to 9 XMTO Sets the new net work communica tion delay for the panel and Soft ROM Syntax XMTO number Variable number 4 30 ASCII characters Example SEND_COMMAND TP XMTO 5 Sets the new XMODEM character delay time to 5 seconds ZAP Clears all mem ory erases but tons pages drawings and symbols Syntax ZAP Example SEND_COMMAND TP ...

Page 38: ...es ASCII detection settings 1 Auto detect video input 2 Manual set NTSC 3 Manual set PAL 4 Manual set SECAM Example SEND_COMMAND TP VDD 3 Detects only PAL VFF Video Fast For ward Mode Alog rithm The algorithm creates independent vertical sync 60 Hz 50 Hz NTSC PAL or SECAM tim ing ignoring the sync from the VCR During fast forward on many VCRs the vertical sync timing increases by 8 Hz thus causing...

Page 39: ...max Example SEND_COMMAND TP VST 128 Sets video saturation to 128 VGA Send_Commands VGBC Sets the blue VGA signal intensity brightness Syntax VGBC ASCII setting for blue intensity Variable ASCII blue intensity setting 0 67 Example SEND_COMMAND TP VGBC 67 Sets the blue VGA signal intensity to 67 maximum VGCK Sets the VGA sherpness Syntax VGCK ASCII setting for sharpness Variable ASCII red intensity ...

Page 40: ...s the red VGA signal intensity brightness Syntax VGRC ASCII setting for red intensity Variable ASCII red intensity setting 0 67 Example SEND_COMMAND TP VGRC 0 Sets the red VGA signal intensity to 0 minimum VGSD Resets default settings of colors position and tracking Syntax VGSD Example SEND_COMMAND TP VGSD Resets VGA defaults VGST Sets the VGA Synchronization Threshold value Syntax VGST ASCII sett...

Page 41: ... Syntax VGVP ASCII setting for vertical position Variable ASCII vertical position setting 0 15 Examples SEND_COMMAND TP VGVP 10 Centers the VGA display vertically Colors and Programming Numbers Color No Color No Red 0 5 Purple 54 59 Orange 6 11 Magenta 60 65 Yellow 12 17 Pink 66 71 Lime 18 23 White 72 77 Green 24 29 Light Gray 78 83 Aqua 30 35 Dark Gray 84 86 Cyan 36 41 Black 87 Royal 42 47 Transp...

Page 42: ...imensional neon green 9 Triple raised 40 Single diamond 10 Double line two single 41 Double diamond Shorthand Send_Commands CBF Sets the OFF feedback border color to the speci fied color This works only if the specified background color is not the same as the current color Syntax CBF variable text address color_number Variables variable text address 1 255 color number See the Colors and Programmin...

Page 43: ...only works if the new background color is not the same as the current color Syntax CPG color_number page name Variables color number See the Colors and Programming Numbers table on page 37 page name 1 50 ASCII characters Example SEND_COMMAND TP CPG 87 Main Page Sets the page title to Main Page and the color to Black CPP Sets the page with specified page name back ground color to the specified colo...

Page 44: ...to return a string with the TPDesign3 project name Syntax IDP Example SEND_COMMAND TP IDP The touch panel returns a string containing the TPDesign3 project name MOU Sets the serial touch interface type When changing the serial touch device you must connect the hardware before setting the device type Syntax MOU touch_type Variables touch type 00 Mouse cursor Off 01 Microsoft serial mouse cursor On ...

Page 45: ...f a pop up page is part of a group the whole group is deactivated Syntax PPK popup page name Variable popup page name target popup page name Example SEND_COMMAND TP PPK Laser Disc 2 Transport Control Deactivates the Laser Disc 2 Transport Control popup page on all touch panel pages PPN Activates a popup page on a touch panel page If a page name is empty the current page is used Syntax PPN popup pa...

Page 46: ...SL string Variable string alphanumeric characters Example SEND_COMMAND TP SSL Touch Panel Deactivated Sends Touch Panel Deactivated to the Controller SST Changes the Star tup string sent to the Central Con troller when the touch panel pow ers up Syntax SST string Variable string alphanumeric characters Example SEND_COMMAND TP SST Touch Panel Power On Sends touch panel Power On to the Central Contr...

Page 47: ...ble text button 1 to FILL COLOR ON Red one shade from brightest FILL COLOR OFF Red three shades from brightest BORDER COLOR ON Red brightest BORDER COLOR OFF Red brightest TEXT COLOR ON White brightest TEXT COLOR OFF White two shades from brightest CBOFF Sets the OFF feedback border color to the speci fied color Syntax CBOFF variable text address color_number Variables variable text address 1 255 ...

Page 48: ... the specified color Syntax CPAGE color_number page name Variables color number See the Colors and Programming Numbers table on page 37 page name 1 50 ASCII characters page names are case sensitive Example SEND_COMMAND TP CPAGE255 MAIN PAGE Sets the background color on the MAIN PAGE to Transparent CTOFF Sets the OFF feedback text color to the speci fied color Syntax CTOFF variable text address col...

Page 49: ...D_COMMAND TP BTON128 Sets the state for button 128 to On C Sets the border font and text in one command Syntax C variable text address border style font size new button text Variables variable text address 1 255 border style See the Border Styles and Programming Numbers table on page 38 font size See the Font Styles and Programming Numbers table on page 37 new button text Enter button text to appe...

Page 50: ... style of a spe cific button Syntax ICON variable text address border style Variables variable text address 1 255 border style See the Border Styles and Programming Numbers table on page 38 Example SEND_COMMAND TP ICON25 6 Changes the variable text button 25 border style to double rounded T Shorthand ver sion of TEXT command Syntax T variable text address new button text Variables variable text ad...

Page 51: ...n page 37 T button text ASCII characters empty is clear P bitmap Bitmap filename empty is clear I icon 1 255 icon numbers are assigned in TPDesign3 project file J text alignment 1 9 as shown the following alignment chart For C1 C6 see the Colors and Programming Numbers table on page 37 C1 on state fill color C2 off state fill color C3 on state border color C4 off state border color C5 on state tex...

Page 52: ...sponding to pushes completely until it is sent an Enable command Nothing short of a touch panel SoftROM firmware reload will re enable the button Reloading the touch panel file reload ing the Axcess program or resetting power on the panel or master will not re enable the button It must be sent an Enable command once it has been disabled FON Sets the text font on a button Syntax FON variable text a...

Page 53: ...lay text on multiple lines Syntax TXT variable text address text Variables variable text address 1 255 text Enter button text to appear on the button Example SEND_COMMAND TP TXT 2 VCR PLAY Sets the VCR and PLAY text on variable button 2 The character places VCR on a text line above PLAY on the button UNI Adds Unicode text to a button Characters for Middle Eastern languages such as Arabic are not s...

Page 54: ...s group ID 0 Off 15 Example ID 15 SC Sends a serial port send_command within a panel as if sent from Axcess Syntax SC device offset send_command variable text data Variables device offset Device number variable text The variable text number value on the touch panel data 0 59 characters Example SC 1 TXT 2 TEXT The string is sends the command to put text on a button with a variable text value of 2 I...

Page 55: ...meout Variable sleep timeout 1 Off 120 in minutes Example ST 5 Sets the touch panel s sleep time to 5 minutes TO Sends touch coor dinates out through the pro gram port Syntax TO touch output enabling via the program port Variable touch output enabling 0 Input Touch Only 1 Input and Output Touch Example TO 0 Sets the panel only to input touch WORKING Verifies the com munication between touch panels...

Page 56: ...Programming 52 10 4 Touch Panels ...

Page 57: ...AXlink connection Use this method if you can connect a DB9 cable to the front PROGRAM port on the NetLinx Master 1 Select Tools Master Communication Settings from the Main menu to open the Communication Settings dialog box FIG 15 2 Click on the NetLinx radio box to indicate that you are working with a NetLinx Master such as the NXC ME260 3 From the Communications Port drop down list choose the COM...

Page 58: ...o Axcess Device from the Main menu to open the Communication Settings dialog box 11 Click Browse to navigate to the directory containing the firmware files Once a directory containing one or more TSK files is specified a list of available TSK files is displayed in the upper table in this dialog FIG 17 on page 55 12 Select the desired Download TSK file from the list of available files 13 Setup the ...

Page 59: ... upgrade procedure Upgrading the Firmware through an IP Address Before beginning with this section verify that your 10 4 inch unit is powered and connected to the NetLinx Master through an AXlink connection Use this method if you can only access the NetLinx Master through an Ethernet connection 1 Obtain the IP Address of the NetLinx Master from your System Administrator if you do not have an IP Ad...

Page 60: ...er 7 Select Edit Preferences from the General Communications section 8 Select the Enable Online Tree option to view the Connected devices from within the Project Navigator window The next step is to set the System value 9 After the Communication Verification dialog window verifies active communication between the PC the Master and the panel verify the touch panel appears in the Online tab of the P...

Page 61: ... file to the specified device using the selected communications port 19 The File Transfer dialog shows the progress of the download Click Cancel to cancel the download 20 Once the TSK file has been downloaded the 10 4 inch LCD displays the message Touch To Continue 21 Touch anywhere on the LCD to return the 10 4 inch panel to the Main page or wait 10 seconds for the same result 22 Reboot the touch...

Page 62: ...n listed in the Firmware column of the screen and press ENTER 3 Using the Tab key switch to the ONLINE MASTERS list 4 Using the up down arrow keys select the device to be programmed 5 Press ENTER for each device as it is selected 6 Press F4 to program the selected device a loading message appears 7 Once the TSK file has been downloaded the device reboot the 10 4 panel so that the firmware is store...

Page 63: ...t blade tool into the release slot on the touch panels bezel faceplate and remove the engraved overlay 3 Remove the four 6 32 CB TP3 or equipment rack mounting screws from the unit s bezel 4 Separate the main unit touch panel and CB TP backbox from the bezel faceplate 5 Flip the touch panel facedown onto a soft cloth remove the four 6 32 screws from the rear of the panel if applicable and separate...

Page 64: ...e the engraved overlay back onto the touch panels bezel faceplate FIG 20 Open circuit card and JP6 jumper location FIG 21 Bezel mounting screws and release slot locations Jumper 6 3 2 1 Bezel mounting screws Bezel faceplate Rotate bezel 180 degrees Release slot ...

Page 65: ...e circuit card backward until it lays down flat with the batteries exposed 5 Using a nonconducting tool carefully pry one battery from its socket and insert the new battery observing the polarities indicated on the battery holder 6 Rotate the circuit card back to the original position and place it in the touch panel housing Do not insert any the mounting screws 7 Plug the AXlink and optional 12 VD...

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