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Technical annex

Technical features

The receiver UFD 515 is equipped with the following features:

Reception of all DVB radio and TV programmes (Free to Air Receiver)

Common Interface for two CA modules (not included in delivery)

Software download via satellite and PC

Loop-through Sat IF input

Teletext processing for TV set

4000 programme memory positions

Satellite reception frequency range from 950 MHz to 2150 MHz

Freely selectable oscillator frequencies, therefore suitable for all feed
systems

Timer programmable for 14 events

Timer programming via EPG

Full EPG

Mains switch with mains separation

Automatic settings for date and time via DVB data stream

On-screen display in 8 languages (German, English, French, Italian,
Dutch, Spanish, Turkish, Portuguese)

4-digit LED display

22 kHz programmable control signal

DiSEqC 1.1 and tone burst control signal

Operation with UFO

mini

and UFO

micro

LNB supply voltage, disconnectible

Connection socket for data copying function RS232

Programme assortment function

Programme search

Picture format recognition 4:3 and 16:9 with selectable output format

Mute feature

Volume control

Radio keys

Infrared remote control

2 SCART sockets (TV and VCR/AUX connection)

Additional audio outputs via Cinch sockets

Dolby Digital output (AC3)

RF level display

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Страница 1: ...Operating manual Order no 20210009 ...

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Страница 3: ...uch enjoyment with your new satellite receiver Your KATHREIN Team Important notes If you have any unexpected problems with your receiver please contact your specialist supplier through our hotline Tel 08031 18 47 00 Fax 08031 18 46 76 With regard to the programme allocation of the satellites and transponders changes always occur In such cases it is necessary to carry out new programme settings alt...

Страница 4: ...phanumeric entries 13 Alphanumeric assignments of number buttons on the remote control 14 Language selection OSD 14 Connection and start up 15 Connecting receiver 15 Sat IF connection 15 Preconditions for receiving signals 15 Presetting of receiving system 15 LNB supply voltage 16 TV and video recorder connection 16 Audio connection 16 Dolby connection 16 Inserting batteries in the remote control ...

Страница 5: ... Entering a satellite name 43 Removing a satellite 43 Programme overview 44 EPG 44 EPG timer programming 45 Password 46 Factory setting 46 Entering a password 46 Parental lock 48 Operation from front panel 50 Backup operation 50 Setting system parameters 51 System parameters 52 Parental lock 52 System information 52 Local time Timer 53 TV type 53 Picture format 53 Screen 53 A V mode 54 Installatio...

Страница 6: ...st update 66 Data transfer from receiver to receiver 69 Preparation 69 Transferring programme lists 69 Transferring operating software 69 Technical annex 70 Technical features 70 Technical data 71 Accessories 72 Scart socket assignments 72 Switch over VHS S VHS 72 Connection examples 73 Connection arrangement 1 73 Connection arrangement 2 74 Short technical lexicon 75 Glossary 76 Service 77 6 ...

Страница 7: ...amaged Never put the unit into operation if the mains lead is damaged Cleaning Withdraw the mains plug before cleaning the unit Use a dry cloth for cleaning Clean the surface only and nothing else On no account open the housing There is a risk of electric shock if components within the unit are touched Children at play Pay attention that children do not insert objects into the ventilation slots Th...

Страница 8: ...abinet shelf or rack with inadequate ventilation Never close off the cooling slots on the unit Do not place objects on top of the unit Maintain a clearance of at least 10 cm above the unit so that the heat generated within the unit is conducted away without obstruction Humidity exposure to sunlight heat Protect the unit against humidity drips and splashing Do not place the unit close to radiators ...

Страница 9: ...tor 7 Cursor keys to step through menus and programmes and for adjustment of the volume corresponds to the remote control 8 LED display 4 charachter 7 segment display for display of programme position time play and record 9 Common interface for Pay TV cards 10 Pressure catch for front flap Open by lightly applying pressure on the upper right hand side 1 Audio output 2 Cinch sockets left and right ...

Страница 10: ...nnels L Last programme and exit Locks a channel T Setting Scart connection Radio Off Deletes a channel ou Programme selection Selection of submenus and menu entries i Programme lists Programme info Help Volume Menu entries 0 9 Numerical input for programmes parental lock LO frequency etc l Mute On Off O Confirmation of the submenus and main entries R Radio On Off Selects mode of programme lists s ...

Страница 11: ...and hold the Abutton Enter 902 with the number buttons To adopt the code press the e button to switch receiver 2 to standby and then back into operation Now switch on receiver 1 again Press and hold the A button Enter 903 with the number buttons When carrying out the first two settings the remote control must be directed at the respective receiver when switched on By pressing the A button you can ...

Страница 12: ...buttons to select the submenus Press O to access the submenus The items in the submenus are selected by pressing the ou buttons The settings allocated to specific menu items are executed either by pressing the buttons or the number buttons Press the L or M to exit the main menu submenus and menu items Button functions i is a changeover button main channel list or help function with menu function P...

Страница 13: ...ion of mode of programme list l is a function selection button Press button once again to change function Alphanumeric entries Use the number buttons to enter the programme and satellite names They produce numbers and letters in the name fields of the corresponding menus Position the bar cursor on the name field The first position automatically assumes a dark background You can now also enter lett...

Страница 14: ...B C 2 3 3 D E F 3 4 4 G H I 4 5 5 J K L 5 6 6 M N O 6 7 7 P R S 7 8 8 T U V 8 9 9 W X Y Z 0 0 SPACE 0 SPACE 0 Language selection OSD To select the language for the on screen menus press M C ou C menu language C C English C M The available languages are German English French Italian Spanish Portuguese Dutch Greek and Turkish 14 ...

Страница 15: ...rn it clockwise until it locks When fitting the connector make sure that no wires of the shield braid make contact with the inner conductor This could otherwise cause a short circuit The quality of the reception signal depends on a good connection Preconditions for receiving signals Make sure that your satellite antenna system is equipped with at least one universal LNB to facilitate digital recep...

Страница 16: ...connection If you wish to reproduce the sound via a hi fi system connect a corresponding Cinch cable from the audio Cinch sockets on the receiver to the input sockets on your hi fi system Dolby connection The Dolby digital data stream output AC3 is for the connection to a Dolby digital system Inserting batteries in the remote control Remove the cover on the battery compartment on the underside of ...

Страница 17: ...d radio programmes The reception status last set always reappears when the receiver is switched on Please check the time of day for summer or winter If the message bad or no signal appears on the screen in addition to an on screen display indicating the programme last received you will need to check the system installation and or the receiver settings If this problem only applies to individual pro...

Страница 18: ...f mistakes Press the i button Help function You can call up the help function for each menu and menu function This help function gives you a short illustration of all the important functions of the selected menu item For example access the main menu by pressing M The help display for the menu item System parameters appears when you press the i button You will find a detailed description of the cal...

Страница 19: ... is selected the apple symbol appears This is followed by the programme title as well as start time and end time of the running programme provided this data is transmitted Radio channel identifier The identifier for the set radio channel has the same configuration A radio appears in the upper right hand corner indicating a radio channel Programme times and text are displayed only if the correspond...

Страница 20: ... hand corner The programme channel settings which were made in the factory can be changed here By pressing F FAV you add the displayed channel to your favourite channels z LOCK button you lock the displayed channel T DEL delete the displayed channel M ADD add a new channel R MODE you select the programme mode and programme list s Move you move the channel to another position For more information r...

Страница 21: ... look like After switching on the receiver simply press the ou buttons in order to select other TV programmes in their ascending or descending order in the channel memory Every time you press the button an on screen display shows you the selected programme together with the time the programme start and end times as well as the programme title in the information box provided this data is transmitte...

Страница 22: ...e and the scrambling The left column contains the programme position the programme name the type of reception signals free to air scrambled as well as the favourite and locked of channels With the ou buttons you jump to the next programme and with the buttons you jump to the neighbouring page Confirm your selection by pressing the O button You can also select a desired programme by using the numer...

Страница 23: ...he remote control to switch to a radio programme The receiver switches over to the programme location of the last set radio programme You can return to the TV programme by pressing the same button or T The corresponding display relating to the received programme i e as when selecting the TV programmes appears on the screen The LCD display shows a small r together with the programme location number...

Страница 24: ...tton to exit the programme list and remain in the already set programme Selecting a radio programme by number entry You can select a different radio programme during a running radio programme by entering the programme location number Use the number buttons 1 to 0 for the purpose of entering the programme location number Example You wish to select the radio programme DLR Berlin This programme is st...

Страница 25: ... and contain the subscriber data and data to the respective paid programmes These programmes are always encrypted Contact a Pay TV provider if you are interested in a Pay TV channel You are responsible for inserting the cards Safely store the card and the PIN code when not used This message appears when the receiver is switched on However a CA module must be available You can find which card is lo...

Страница 26: ...his menu you obtain access with your card and PIN code to the different programmes of your Pay TV provider Here for example Viaccess is selected The data for each CAM can vary The displays also appear in English if you have selected the German menu language for the receiver Always pay attention to the instructions from your Pay TV provider Here select the submenu Common Interface with the ou butto...

Страница 27: ...ard must be located in the slot of the receiver and the receiver must be switched on as well as set to the booked pay TV channel Also observe the instructions of the Pay TV provider The card can be reinitialised with monthly subscription extensions via the CAM menu CAM reinitialising If the clearing of your Pay TV card does not occur we recommend to remove the CA module with card from the slot of ...

Страница 28: ...irm selection by pressing O Press L to exit the timer again Incorrect time settings will be rejected You can select and set the programme type TV radio or software download the programme location with name the start time date month year hour minute the stop time and the timer status inactive once daily weekly and for 14 timers You must enter leading zeros for the time settings Use the or and the n...

Страница 29: ...ogrammed a download per timer all following timer settings will be ignored after a successful download VPS signal Make certain that no VPS signal is included in the digital television signal Therefore you will need to programme your video recorder corresponding to the timer settings 29 ...

Страница 30: ...l up the audio menu for sound and language selection You can now make the required settings e g language selection provided the corresponding data is contained in the reception signal sound track Dolby Digital 5 1 CH Select the menu points by pressing the ou buttons and select the required setting with the buttons Press the s button once again to exit the menu If captions are transmitted you can s...

Страница 31: ...g as no AC3 signal is received you can only carry out the usual stereo and mono settings or select the transmitted language Switching off sound Press the l button on the remote control to mute the sound This symbol l appears on the screen Press the l button again to restore the sound The standard volume display bar is then shown for several seconds Even though you can change the programme while in...

Страница 32: ...he four programmes you last received The arrows correspond to the cursor buttons ou The allocated programme can then be selected by pressing these buttons When this function is called up the display shown above appears Favourite programmes You can arrange and sort your favourite TV and radio programmes e g all German language programmes or programmes that have no commercial breaks These programmes...

Страница 33: ... time The programmes are protected against unauthorised use with a password entry refer to capital Password The respective selected list is highlighted with a coloured bar The called up programme appears in the upper right hand corner of the screen By pressing the O button the highlighted line will now be indicated with an apple symbol The following programme in the programme list will be called u...

Страница 34: ...hlighted by a coloured bar Press the R button to be in the writing mode The first letter is now indicated You can now enter the desired name of the favourite programme with the numerical buttons see section in the user s manual Alphanumerical entry Using the ou buttons you can select the other favourite programmes and then can newly name them in the same manner as mentioned above 34 ...

Страница 35: ... display of the current received programme appears for a few second on the screen In order to call up a favourite programme access the respective desired favourite list after pressing the i and the R button First select the line with the apple symbol with the ou buttons select the desired list in the display example DRAMA or Favourite 1 with the buttons The favourite list appears by pressing O 35 ...

Страница 36: ...button your selected favourite programme appears If you want to delete a marking with the ou buttons and O select the favourite list in which the desired programme is saved and delete the apple symbol by pressing the F and O button If you would like to return to the programme list representation of all programmes of the set satellites first press the i and afterwards the R button 36 ...

Страница 37: ...sible to quickly find a certain programme from the entire programme list Press i to access the programme list By pressing the R button you access the channel list mode list Select the bar alphabet with the ou buttons Search for desired letters using the buttons The letters can be called up from both directions Each letter is displayed in the alphabet bar Press O to confirm the selected letters and...

Страница 38: ...e line with the ou buttons and then with the buttons select the setting all satellites After confirming with O you receive the current programme list Sorting programmes You can sort programmes as desired The programmes are sorted by shifting the entries in the programme lists With i access the programme list The desired programme list now appears on the screen With the and ou buttons you can selec...

Страница 39: ...the and the ou buttons Place the selected programme on the respective programme position by pressing O The change is saved and confirmed and appears for a few seconds on the screen The moved programme appears on the screen Deleting programme Basically follow the same procedure for sorting in order to delete a programme Press the main menu button i to access the programme list 39 ...

Страница 40: ...on the screen Manually adding programmes Basically follow the same procedure for sorting in order to add a channel With main menu button i access the programme list By pressing the M button the menu for adding a programme appears on the screen Here you can carry out the entries for the new programme The first line in the list is highlighted with a coloured bar Attention You can only call up satell...

Страница 41: ...y of the current set programme appears for a few second on the screen The new programmes is added to the existing programme list You can obtain the necessary PIDs from relevant TV and satellite magazines the internet as well as from SAT 1 teletext Refer to section Operating instructions for information on how to make alphanumeric entries Never change the PIDs without good reason as they affect the...

Страница 42: ...e a bearing on must be known The Antenna settings menu entry in the installation menu can be used as an aid for alignment of the antenna Access the menu item LNB configuration via the main menu M and the Installation submenu with the ou and O buttons plus password if activated You select it with O and can then enter or select a new satellite Remember that your system must be set up accordingly 42 ...

Страница 43: ...menu by pressing L three times At the same time the new station data is stored Entering a satellite name You can change the satellite name in the LNB configuration menu using the number buttons Refer to section operating instructions for information about the exact procedure Removing a satellite To remove a satellite select the LNB configuration menu move the cursor bar with o or u and confirm by ...

Страница 44: ...ogramme guide EPG for example with ARD and ZDF In the right hand column the programme title is given in abbreviated form and the complete title appears in the last two lines In the left hand column the ou keys can be used to move the cursor to a programme which should be switched to with the O button 44 With the s button receive more information about the current running programming With the EPG b...

Страница 45: ... Afterwards you can move the coloured bar in the list with the ou buttons and select a programme for timer programming The timer is selected with the R button Here you can select different timer settings with the or buttons for example if the desired programme should be recorded only once daily or weekly Confirm the selection with O The confirmation appears for a few seconds The programme will be ...

Страница 46: ...various programmes Keep your password in a safe place so that you always have access to your channels should you ever forget it Factory setting The password 0000 is inactively set in the factory Entering a password Call up the main menu using the M button In this menu press the ou buttons to select the system parameters and confirm by pressing O Now press the ou buttons to select the parental cont...

Страница 47: ... the number buttons Confirm password Here you enter your new password once again with the number buttons to serve as a confirmation Personal Here enter the receiver identification which is displayed when the receiver is turned on This is useful for identification in case of theft See section Operating instructions for information on how to use the numerical buttons on the remote control for alphan...

Страница 48: ...buttons You can move the bar page by page or line by line with the and ou buttons The selected programme will be indicated by a coloured bar Confirm the selection with the z button and the padlock symbol appears in the bar The display of the following programme in the programme list automatically appears Press z to lock another programme or press the z button again and the lock will be removed and...

Страница 49: ...he number keys the message This programme is locked appears and the programme can not be seen After pressing L and calling up a locked programme over the programme list you will be asked to enter in your password in order to watch the locked programme 49 ...

Страница 50: ... the cursor buttons with horizontal and vertical arrows The unit is switched on and off with the On Off button The menu button like the M button brings you to the main menu The vertical arrow buttons have the same function as the ou buttons and bring you to the submenus The horizontal arrow buttons have the same function as the buttons The select button has the function of the O buttons Since ther...

Страница 51: ...xtensions to the receiving systems or modifications call for new settings The selected menus submenus entries and parameters are highlighted The menus are mainly self explanatory Press the i button to receive information about the respective selected menu item Press the button i again to exit the help programme The main menu consists of the following submenus System parameters Installation Languag...

Страница 52: ... With ou buttons and M you can call up other positions Parental lock The basic settings that can be implemented here are described under setting parental lock in chapter Password System information Under the System information entry you will find the factory settings which cannot be altered and are intended solely for service personnel 52 ...

Страница 53: ...he numerical buttons After each entry the cursor jumps to the next position Press the M two times to end the entry The receiver saves the new setting Afterwards do not switch off the receiver with the mains switch but rather with the remote control otherwise the settings will be lost TV type Use the buttons to specify whether your TV set is a PAL Multi standard or NTSC unit Confirm by pressing L t...

Страница 54: ...ettings or operational settings that are adapted to your receiving system New settings are only required when changes or expansions are made to the receiving system The main menu consists of the following submenus Select the Installation menu with the menu button M the ou buttons in the main menu and O If set you must also enter the password Select the menu points with the ou buttons LNB configura...

Страница 55: ... lower frequency range low band and 10 6 GHz 10600 MHz for the upper frequency high band Older receiver systems still operate in the low band range with a 10 GHz oscillator frequency The receiver generates its required frequency by subtracting the oscillator frequency from the satellite transmission frequency stored for each channel You only need to set the oscillator frequencies which your receiv...

Страница 56: ...for receiving more than two satellites The DiSEqC control signal is responsible for this task This signal represents a special modulation of the already existing 22 kHz signal DiSEqC setting The precondition for this setting is that you have made no changes in the DiSEqC UFO set up refer to the section DiSEqC UFO Set up When you are in the LNB configuration menu see above press the ou buttons to m...

Страница 57: ...ns relating to the quality of the antenna system or of the cable connection can be derived from this signal Antenna rotor Positioner DiSEqC 1 2 For operation with a rotor DiSEqC 1 2 select on in the line Motor Goto 0 In the next line Move save you can align the antenna to the west or to the east using the or button Confirm the selection by pressing O The optimal alignment can be observed by the ba...

Страница 58: ... be searched for using the or button Set the desired satellite with the or button Afterwards the search starts by pressing O If you wish to set your system to a completely new satellite you will need to manually enter at least one known transponder in order to start the search see Section TP set up scan You can obtain the necessary information from the corresponding TV and satellite magazines or i...

Страница 59: ...system parameters The message appears at the end of the search All programmes are added to the existing programme list and highlighted with various colours You can cancel the search by pressing the L button 59 ...

Страница 60: ...et Press O to open the menu Transponder selection The following settings are now possible select positions with ou Required satellite with or the transponder frequency with or button the polarisation with or button the symbol rate with the numerical buttons and search mode for free to air or free and encrypted programmes with the or button The bar diagram indicates the relative signal strength and...

Страница 61: ... search for further transponders After an unsuccessful search the following message appears Error All new programmes are added to the existing programme list Under the menu item Delete TP you can remove the transponder from the programme memory by pressing O You will be requested to confirm that you wish to remove the transponder before it is deleted 61 ...

Страница 62: ...ss the menu buttons M ou and O to open the DiSEqC menu 22 kH signal In this menu point you can determine whether the 22 kHz signal is to be used to switch over between the low and high frequency range of a satellite or between 2 satellite positions Tone burst and DiSEqC signal A DiSEqC control signal is necessary if more than four control criteria are required in a receiving system The setting opt...

Страница 63: ...ssing system The signals from the user controlled processing system are transmitted on this frequency The reception parameters for programme selection are transferred to the receiving system by means of a DiSEqC command and set accordingly The relevant setting which needs to be selected depends on the type of user controlled processing system The setting should be made according to the data provid...

Страница 64: ...ving system You can do this under the UFOmicro menu point by selecting Reset with the buttons and pressing O The original factory setting is then allocated to the receiver It must then be reset to ON The receiver will then receive a new address from the new system The pre programming is not deleted with Reset Presetting OFF Factory setting Under this menu point you can reset all the settings to th...

Страница 65: ...ttings Playback For VCR playback the satellite receiver must be set to standby so that the signal route is switched through from the VCR AUX SCART socket to the TV SCART socket You must set the SCART socket of the Sat receiver to AUX with the T button in order for your TV set to automatically play back the picture of the video recorder In this setting the picture of the video recorder is switched ...

Страница 66: ... software download Your satellite receiving system must be aligned to ASTRA 19 2 east Select the submenu Installation with the main menu button M the ou buttons and O Now move the cursor bar to the menu item Software download and select it by pressing O Your receiver automatically searches for the ASTRA transponder which transmits the current software and programme list If no new versions exist yo...

Страница 67: ...are available The lower bar displays the relative signal level The light cursor bar in Software download can be moved to the position which you want to deactivate No using the ou and or buttons Inactive positions cannot be changed In the case that you only want to update the software but not the programme list deactivate the field programme list and vice versa You can call up the info text For upd...

Страница 68: ...cur the receiver must be newly installed at the factory or per PC and zero modem cable During the download the following message flashes Please wait After the request Display info the on screen display appears with the notice of the new software and the respective changes Observe the on screen display After a software update you must set the time again The updates are also available in the interne...

Страница 69: ...ssful if both receivers show the message Succ Transferring operating software Follow the same procedure as described above for the purpose of transferring operating software Start transfer of the operating software by simultaneously pressing the è button arrow right and SELECT under the front panel of the master While loading the display of the master shows t001 t002 t00n while the slave correspon...

Страница 70: ...mer programming via EPG Full EPG Mains switch with mains separation Automatic settings for date and time via DVB data stream On screen display in 8 languages German English French Italian Dutch Spanish Turkish Portuguese 4 digit LED display 22 kHz programmable control signal DiSEqC 1 1 and tone burst control signal Operation with UFOmini and UFOmicro LNB supply voltage disconnectible Connection so...

Страница 71: ...EG 1 2 Layers 1 and 2 Bit rate 32 44 1 48 kb s Frequency range 40 Hz to 15 kHz Output voltage typ 770 50 mV an 10 kW TV Scart and Cinch S N 65 dB Power supply Mains voltage 230 V 10 50 Hz Power consumption 35 W Power consumption in standby 9 W LNB voltage supply 0 14 V vert 18 V hor LNB supply current 400 mA max Control signals 22 kHz square wave0 6 Vss tone burst DiSEqC 1 1 UFOmicro UFOmini Conne...

Страница 72: ...een earth 9 X X Data signal 10 Green signal 11 X X Data signal 12 Red earth 13 X X Data earth 14 Red signal C 15 X X Blanking signal 16 X X Video earth 17 X X Blanking signal earth 18 X X Video output FBAS Y 19 X X Video input 20 X Connector shield 21 X X Switch over VHS S VHS The Scart sockets can be switched between VHS and S VHS The switch over is carried out in the menu System parameter A V mo...

Страница 73: ...If your TV is equipped for stereo the stereo sound can also be reproduced via the stereo speakers of your TV set The UHF VHF input of the TV set is connected via the UHF VHF output and input sockets of the video recorder to the UHF VHF output of the Sat socket This connection makes it possible to receive terrestrial regional TV channels with the antenna system correspondingly aligned By connecting...

Страница 74: ...eceiver to an analogue Sat receiver and the complete TV and hi fi system The digital sound output can be connected to a Dolby Digital System The roof antenna connected via the video recorder to the TV permits the reception and recording of terrestrial programmes 74 ...

Страница 75: ...of up to 100 MBit s Eb No ratio The Eb No ratio is a measure for the signal to noise ratio of the digital signal This value is not identical to the C N value as known from analogue reception technology As a rule reception is no longer possible at Eb No levels below 5 dB FEC FEC is the abbreviation for Forward Error Correction The FEC error rate corresponds to the viterbirate PID The PID number Pac...

Страница 76: ...ng values 1 2 2 3 3 4 4 5 5 6 6 7 7 8 Glossary Audio output Receiver sound output AV channel slot Preferential channel location of TV set for SCART input Decoder Decoder Unscrambling unit for pay TV DiSEqC Control system between receiver and LNB multi switch DVB Digital Video Broadcasting Eb No dB Power density per unit of information Eb No ratio Digital signal to noise ratio LED Display Receiver ...

Страница 77: ... 2 Satellite 3 Satellite Satellite Satellite LO1 9750 LO1 9750 LO1 9750 LO2 10600 LO1 10600 LO1 10600 Satellite Satellite Satellite DiSEqC menu 22 kHz High low PosA B OFF Tone burst High low PosA B Opt A B OFF DiSEqC ON OFF DiSEqC repeat ON OFF UFOmini ON OFF Remote frequency _____MHz UFOmicro ON OFF Other settings 77 ...

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