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8.1.4  Displaying subtitles ..............................................................................20

8.1.5  Selecting history depth ........................................................................ 21

8.1.6  Setting the power up mode .................................................................. 21

8.1.7  Reading messages .............................................................................. 21

8.1.8  Exiting the menu function, switching back to the previous menu, 

 

saving settings ....................................................................................22

8.2  PVR settings ....................................................................................................22

8.3  Sound/picture settings .....................................................................................23

8.3.1  Adapting the satellite receiver to the television set ...................................23

8.3.2  Output signal on the SCART slot ”RECORDER“ .......................................26

8.3.3  Setting the signal for the audio digital out ..............................................26

8.3.4  Fading the menu briefly .......................................................................26

8.4  Setting the time and date .................................................................................27

8.4.1  Setting the system time  ........................................................................27

8.4.2  Setting the date ..................................................................................28

8.4.3  Setting the local time ...........................................................................28

8.4.4  Setting the time zone ...........................................................................28

8.4.5  Setting daylight saving time..................................................................29

8.5  Adjusting the satellite receiver to the reception system .........................................29

8.5.1  Selecting the LNB type ........................................................................30

8.5.2  Selecting satellites ...............................................................................30

8.5.3  Selecting the oscillator frequencies ........................................................ 31

8.5.4  Setting the band switching ................................................................... 31

8.5.5  Setting DiSEqC ...................................................................................32

8.5.6  Settings for Unicable-LNB/Unicable multi-switch .....................................33

8.5.7  Signal quality and signal strength .........................................................34

8.6  Channel search...............................................................................................34

8.6.1  Automatic channel search ....................................................................34

8.6.2  Manual Channel Search ......................................................................36

8.7  Factory defaults ..............................................................................................38

8.7.1  Restoring to factory defaults .................................................................38

8.7.2  Resetting user preferences ....................................................................40

8.8  System information ..........................................................................................40

8.8.1  Product information .............................................................................40

8.8.2  Updating software ..............................................................................40

9  Editing the channel lists .................................................................................................. 42

9.1  Editing the channel lists ....................................................................................42

9.1.1  Moving channels .................................................................................42

9.1.2  Deleting channels ................................................................................43

9.1.3  Locking/unlocking channels .................................................................43

9.1.4  Sorting channels .................................................................................43

9.2  Editing favourite lists ........................................................................................44

9.2.1  Adding, renaming and removing favourite lists .......................................44

9.2.2  Adding channels to the favourite list ......................................................45

9.2.3  Editing channels in the favourite list .......................................................46

10  Program Guide .............................................................................................................. 47
11  Personal Planner ............................................................................................................ 49

11.1  Planning an event............................................................................................49

11.2  Changing a planner event ................................................................................52

11.3  Deleting a planner event ..................................................................................52

Содержание DRS 550 HDMI

Страница 1: ... Beuthener Strasse 43 D 90471 Nuremberg Phone 49 0 911 703 8877 Fax 49 0 911 703 9210 e mail info gss tv Internet http www gss tv Operating Instruc Operating Instruc tions tions DRS 550 HDMI Digital Satellite Receiver Grundig SAT SystEms ...

Страница 2: ... Connecting the AV recorder player 12 5 5 Connecting a HiFi system 12 5 6 Connecting a digital multi channel amplifier SPDIF 12 6 Starting up the satellite receiver 13 6 1 Switching on 13 6 2 Switching off 13 6 3 General menu information 14 6 4 Basic settings at first connection 14 6 5 Screen display 14 7 Basic functions 15 7 1 Setting the volume 15 7 2 Muting 15 7 3 Selecting channels 15 7 4 Chan...

Страница 3: ...atellites 30 8 5 3 Selecting the oscillator frequencies 31 8 5 4 Setting the band switching 31 8 5 5 Setting DiSEqC 32 8 5 6 Settings for Unicable LNB Unicable multi switch 33 8 5 7 Signal quality and signal strength 34 8 6 Channel search 34 8 6 1 Automatic channel search 34 8 6 2 Manual Channel Search 36 8 7 Factory defaults 38 8 7 1 Restoring to factory defaults 38 8 7 2 Resetting user preferenc...

Страница 4: ...ing programs 59 17 1 Preparations 59 17 1 1 Connecting a storage device 59 17 1 2 Formatting storage devices 59 17 2 General to the recording functions 59 17 2 1 Recording a live program 59 17 2 2 Time shift recording 60 17 3 Timer recording 61 17 3 1 Automatic setting 61 17 3 2 Manual setting 61 18 Playback functions 62 19 Editing the video library 63 19 1 Renaming recordings 63 19 2 Deleting a r...

Страница 5: ... please take your satellite receiver to one of these public collection facilities for proper disposal 1 1 Meaning of the icons used Important note General note Carrying out operating steps 2 General information 2 1 Packing contents DRS 550 HDMI Remote control and 2 batteries 2 x 1 5 V e g UM 3 or AA type batteries HDMI cable Operating Instructions Updates for the operating instructions can be foun...

Страница 6: ...ot Your satellite receiver is equipped with a Common Interface slot It allows you to connect two CA modules for various encryption systems and service providers Encrypted channels can only be decoded with a CA module suitable for the en cryption system and the corresponding Smart card The Smart card contains all the information for authorisation decoding and subscription The CA module and the corr...

Страница 7: ...om the an tenna unit during a thunderstorm This satellite receiver set is designed to receive and display video and audio sig nals Any other use is expressly prohibited When setting up the device make sure the mains plug is easily accessible If the digital receiver is subject to sudden changes in temperature e g when brought in from the cold to a warm room let it stand for at least two hours befor...

Страница 8: ...nal SAT receiver 3 SCART socket RECORDER Input and output for video or DVD recorder 4 SCART socket TV Output for the television set 5 HDMI connection Output to a television set with HDMI connection 6 USB port For connecting an external hard disc a USB stick or a PC 7 Video output Cinch socket 8 Audio output right Cinch socket Sound output right 9 Audio output left Cinch socket Sound output left 0 ...

Страница 9: ...tery compartment If the satellite receiver does not react to the remote control properly or the sym bol appears on the screen we recommend changing the batteries Always remove used batteries The manufacturer accepts no liability for damage resulting from leaking bat teries Environmental note Never dispose of batteries with household rubbish They should be disposed of at used battery collection poi...

Страница 10: ...ocks channels in menu mode F Opens sub programs when available Change the volume control the cursor in the menus Change channel places in increments up and down select lines in the menus open pages in teletext OK Opens the channel list confirms entries TXT Opens teletext EPG Opens the electronic program guide EPG Time shift recording pause freeze Recording various functions in the menus Fast rewin...

Страница 11: ...nnecting the television using the SCART cable Connect the socket 4 of the satellite receiver using a standard SCART cable to the corresponding SCART sock et on the television Connecting the television using the Cinch cable Connect the video output 7 and the audio output sock ets 8 and 9 of the satellite receiver to the correspond ing sockets of your television set using standard Cinch cables Yello...

Страница 12: ...ite receiver to the SCART socket of the AV recorder player e g video or DVD recorder player using a standard SCART cable When replaying recorded programs switch the satellite receiver to stand by 5 5 Connecting a HiFi system Connect the audio output sockets 8 and 9 of your satellite receiver to the corresponding input sockets on your HiFi system using standard Cinch cables Red Audio signal right 8...

Страница 13: ... using a storage device recording mode is described from page 58 on The following descriptions refer to the operation of your satellite receiver with the remote control unless otherwise specified The icons used correspond to the icons on the remote control s page 10 Connect the power plug of the satellite receiver to the mains supply 6 1 Switching on Switching the television to AV mode Switch on t...

Страница 14: ...are control buttons The return to the previous menu or cancellation of entries can be made using Z To save settings please refer to chapter 8 1 8 page 22 To end the menu function press MENU or use to activate the line Exit and press OK 6 4 Basic settings at first connection This setting is not required for operating the satellite receiver in Germany When you switch on your satellite receiver for t...

Страница 15: ...e control or on the satellite receiver as often as needed To scroll quickly through presets press and hold as long as necessary After changing a channel information on the channel selected is displayed temporarily on the monitor s also chapter 7 4 7 4 Channel related information In this menu channel related information is shown EPG data can be called up and programs can be transferred to the perso...

Страница 16: ...sed for channel selection using the buttons 0 9 OK or on the remote control or C s page 8 on the satel lite receiver 7 5 1 Inserting deleting channels in the favourite list In the menu which is open you can sort channels in the TV list and the radio list insert channels into the favourite lists compiled in the favourite list manager page 44 menu and delete selected channels from all favourite list...

Страница 17: ...ll locked channels are released until you switch off the satellite receiver again 7 8 Selecting soundtrack language and subtitles For channels broadcasting in several languages you can select a different language au dio type and digital sound AC 3 if available Digital sound is only available via the op tical SPDIF output If subtitles are transmitted you can also activate these in this menu Press t...

Страница 18: ...You can display information on the upcoming programs and change chan nels incrementally Further information can be found in the chapter Program Guide page 47 Press the EPG button A list of the current programs and the upcoming programs is displayed Use the buttons to select programs Use the OK button to transfer the selected show to the personal planner list The transferred program event is identi...

Страница 19: ...tings confirm line User Preferences using OK The menu User Preferences appears with the ac tive line Menu Language Next to the menu line all the relevant current set tings can be viewed Confirm line Menu Language using OK In the selection menu use the buttons to select the desired language and confirm using OK 2 List Manager 5 Parental Lock 4 Personal Planner 7 Sleep Timer 1 Settings 3 Program Gui...

Страница 20: ...ows you to set whether and in which language subtitles should be displayed on the screen Use the buttons to activate the Subtitles line and press OK to confirm If no subtitles should be displayed in the selection menu which appears use the buttons to activate the Subtitling Off line If subtitles should be displayed in the selection menu which appears use the buttons to activate the preferred langu...

Страница 21: ...using OK 8 1 7 Reading messages This menu allows you to set whether messages e g about changes to software should be displayed Notify or not Off Use the buttons to activate the Auto Upgrades line and press OK to confirm In the selection menu which appears use the buttons to select the desired language Confirm the setting using OK OK Pop up Timeout Menu Language Power Up Mode User Preferences Sound...

Страница 22: ...be viewed Use the buttons to select the line Start Guard Time and or End Guard Time and confirm using OK In the selection menu which appears set the desired advance and or trail time None 60 Minutes Confirm the setting using OK Use the buttons to select the line End of Timeshift behavior and confirm using OK In the selection menu which appears set the desired func tion which after the end of a tim...

Страница 23: ...e receiver to the resolution of the LCD or plasma television you have connected In the menu Settings use the buttons to activate the line Audio Video Settings and confirm using OK The menu Audio Video Settings appears with the active line TV SCART Next to the menu line all the current settings can be viewed Select the line TV Resolution using the buttons and confirm using OK In the selection menu ...

Страница 24: ...ing a beamer In the menu Settings use the buttons to activate the line Audio Video Settings and confirm using OK The menu Audio Video Settings appears with the active line TV SCART Next to the menu line all the relevant current settings can be viewed Confirm line TV SCART using OK In the selection menu which appears use the buttons to select the desired type of signal CVBS RGB or YUV OK Exit Back ...

Страница 25: ...omatically to the one provided by the station In the menu Audio Video Settings select the line Aspect Ratio Conversion using the buttons and confirm using OK In the selection menu which appears use to select the desired picture ratio Center Letter Pillar Box or Auto and confirm using OK The names have the following meanings Center The picture is proportionally adjusted to the screen height Letter ...

Страница 26: ... Settings select the line OSD over SCART using the buttons and confirm using OK In the selection menu which appears use to fade in the menu signal On or fade it out Off Confirm the setting using OK To exit the menu see chapter 8 1 8 page 22 Manufactured under licence from Dolby Laboratories Licensing Corporation Dolby Dolby Pro Logic Dolby Digital and the double D symbol p are trademarks of the Do...

Страница 27: ...ing are automatically set to On You can also set these manually In the menu Settings use the buttons to activate the line Time Date and confirm using OK The menu Time Date appears with the active line Automatic Time Update Confirm line Automatic Time Update using OK In the selection menu which appears use the buttons to select the desired setting On or Off Setting On Time and date are automaticall...

Страница 28: ...buttons to display the current time minutes Alternatively you can use the red button to de lete the digits left of the cursor and use the 0 9 buttons to enter the time The cursor can be control led using the buttons Confirm the setting using OK 8 4 4 Setting the time zone The time zone indicates the difference between the time which applies at your location and GMT time Greenwich Mean Time longitu...

Страница 29: ... refers to a type of installation allowing several satellite receivers can be con nected to a Unicable LNB or to a Unicable multi switch using one cable For each of the satellite receivers connected the independently selectable satellite channels are transmitted on a frequency assigned to the respective satellite receiver Changes in this menu have a direct effect on the reception characteristics o...

Страница 30: ...ted satellite is that your antenna system is prepared accordingly In the menu Antenna Settings use the buttons to activate the line Satellite and confirm using OK In the selection menu which appears use the buttons to select the desired satellite Confirm the setting using OK To add a satellite to the selection list Press the green button In the selection menu which appears use the buttons to selec...

Страница 31: ... lower band upper band switch ing This menu allows you to turn the switching off on or to automatic In case you are not aware whether your LNB can process the 22 kHz signal turn it to automatic switching In the menu Antenna Settings use to select the line Band Switching and confirm using OK In the selection menu which appears use the buttons to select the desired mode of operation Auto automatic O...

Страница 32: ...e and confirm using OK Use to select LOF Low Band and confirm using OK In the selection menu use to select the lower oscil lator frequency of the LNB and confirm using OK Use to select LOF High Band and confirm using OK In the selection menu use to select the higher oscil lator frequency of the LNB and confirm using OK Use to select Band Switching and confirm using OK In the selection menu use to ...

Страница 33: ...ch and confirm using OK The menu Antenna Settings is enhanced by the lines Tuner IF and Channel ID The settings select satellites select the oscillator frequency set the band switching set DiSEqC are made as described in chapter 8 5 2 to 8 5 5 In the menu Antenna Settings activate the line Tuner IF using and confirm using OK In the selection menu which appears use to select the desired or allocate...

Страница 34: ...s default settings These can be displayed in the menus Main TV List and Main Radio List by pressing OK TV R and As satellite channels are constantly being added and satellite data altered we recom mend starting the search Automatic Channel Search on the satellite receiver from time to time and updating the channel list 8 6 1 Automatic channel search In the automatic channel search the selected sat...

Страница 35: ... Channels using OK In the submenu which appears use the buttons to activate All or FTA All Both encrypted and unencrypted channels are scanned FTA Only unencrypted channels are scanned Confirm setting using OK and use the to activate the line Satellite Confirm the line Satellite using OK In the submenu which appears use the buttons to activate the desired satellite or All Satellites and con firm u...

Страница 36: ...ired satellites and confirm using OK 8 6 2 2 Setting the frequency Select the line Frequency using the buttons and confirm using OK In the related settings display a cursor appears next to the entry Use the red button to delete an existing entry by pressing repeatedly and use the 0 9 buttons to set the frequency of the channel you wish to locate Confirm the setting using OK 8 6 2 3 Setting the pol...

Страница 37: ...ctivate Automatic 8 6 2 6 Setting PID and PCR Select the line PID using the buttons and confirm using OK In the selection menu which appears use the buttons to select the automatic or manual PID setting Automatic or Manual and confirm using OK In case you do not know the PIDs and PCR of the channel you are looking for activate Automatic If Automatic is activated the lines Video PID Audio PID and P...

Страница 38: ...ist By pressing the green button save channels or use the red button to cancel the channel search To exit the menu see chapter 8 1 8 page 22 8 7 Factory defaults 8 7 1 Restoring to factory defaults This menu allows you to reset the satellite receiver including the channels lists and user settings back to the factory defaults This setting is necessary when the satellite receiver is to be set for co...

Страница 39: ...n which the satellite receiver is to be used The menu is displayed in the language set Confirm the setting using OK If necessary carry out the following settings Setting the menu language Use the buttons to select the line Menu language and confirm using OK In the selection menu which appears use to set the language in which the menus should be displayed Confirm the setting using OK Setting the ti...

Страница 40: ...he active line Product Information Confirm line Product Information using OK The menu Product Information appears with in formation about your satellite receiver e g model number type designation software version etc To exit the menu see chapter 8 1 8 page 22 8 8 2 Updating software 8 8 2 1 Updating software via satellite The software for the satellite receiver is provided by the Astra 19 2 East s...

Страница 41: ... 8 2 2 Updating software via a USB stick For this type of software update it is necessary to load the current software for the satellite receiver from the internet using a PC This can be found in the internet on the website http www gss tv Copy software from the PC to the USB stick Only one bin data must be stored on the USB stick Switch off the satellite receiver using the mains switch s page 8 C...

Страница 42: ...you to shift delete lock unlock and sort channels The following description also applies for the Main Radio List Changing over is done using the TV R button 9 1 1 Moving channels In the menu Main TV List use the and buttons to select the channel to be moved and mark it using the blue Mark Block button The lettering appears in green If necessary use the buttons to activate further channels By press...

Страница 43: ...and use the A B button to lock or unlock channels Locked channels are marked with x s chap ter 12 page 53 9 1 4 Sorting channels In the menu Main TV List press the green button In the menu the following buttons appear red Sort A Z The channels are sorted in alphabetical order green Sort Satellite The channels are listed by satellite yellow Sort CAS The channels are listed by encryption system Acco...

Страница 44: ...BC 0 button with space underline full stop etc Use the buttons to select the favourite list to be renamed Press the yellow button If necessary use the buttons to position the cursor to the right of the last letter of the letters to be deleted By pressing the red button once or several times delete the letters Use the 0 9 buttons to enter the new name In the line marked by the letters symbols and d...

Страница 45: ...or radio list use the buttons to select the desired channel and add it to the favourite list using OK Use the TV R button to change between the TV list and the radio list Adding several channels To add several channels to the favourite list at the same time use the and buttons to select a channel to be added in the TV list or radio list and use the blue button to mark it The lettering appears in g...

Страница 46: ...y pressing the OK button Removing several channels To delete several channels in the favourite list at the same time use the and buttons to select the chan nel to be deleted and mark it using the blue button The lettering appears in green Use the buttons to activate further channels By pressing the blue button again mark the end of the selected channels and use OK to delete them By removing an ent...

Страница 47: ...er R Recording To ensure that the program guide functions properly the date and time must be set correctly s chapter 8 4 page 27 Press the MENU button The Main Menu appears with the active line Settings Select the line Program Guide using the buttons and confirm using OK The list which appears contains data on current and upcoming programs Use the buttons to select programs By pressing OK the sele...

Страница 48: ...w displayed scroll the text using the buttons This display can be switched off again using the OK button Use the blue button 24 Hours to display the EPG lists for the following days To scroll back use the red 24 Hours button Using the green Channel and yellow but tons Channel you can select channels incrementally in descending or ascending order By pressing the Z button you can return to the previ...

Страница 49: ...r event is currently being recorded A problem has occurred during this planner event Reminder A notification window appears The event takes place once 1 The event takes place daily 5 The event takes place from Monday to Friday 7 The event takes place once a week R The event is being recorded In the list of planner events use the blue button New Entry to activate the entry menu The entry menu New P...

Страница 50: ...s next to the start day Use the and buttons to preset the start date and confirm using OK Alternatively you can use the red button to de lete the digits left of the cursor and use the 0 9 buttons to enter the digits of the date The cursor can be controlled using the buttons Select the line Start Time using the buttons and confirm using OK In the related settings display a cursor appears next to th...

Страница 51: ...n firm using OK In the selection menu which appears use the buttons to select the way you wish to perform this Automatic or Notification and confirm using OK Automatic The planner event is carried out automatically Notification Around 2 minutes prior to carrying out the planner event an notification appears on the screen in which you can confirm or cancel the event Select the line Cycle using the ...

Страница 52: ...ettering Entries which were prompted via the EPG or the menu Channel related information must be un bound from EPG before changing Confirm line Unbind EPG using the OK button Use the button to activate Yes and confirm using OK For changes use the green Save Exit button 11 3 Deleting a planner event In the list of planner events use the and buttons to select the planner event to be deleted Remove t...

Страница 53: ...e operated Lock System Settings The menus Settings and List Manager are locked Lock System Settings Channels The menus Settings and List Manager are locked The channels marked in the channel lists and favourite lists with x are also locked Confirm the setting using OK In the menu which appears enter the PIN code By pressing the Z button you can return to the previous menu In the menu which appears...

Страница 54: ...ing OK In the selection menu which appears use the button to select the menu Lock System Settings Channels Press the OK button Enter four digit PIN code using 0 9 Press the Z button In the menu which appears Save Changes use the buttons to confirm the procedure Yes or to cancel it No Press the OK button and then press the Z button 12 2 1 Unlocking channels Use the MENU button to display the menu M...

Страница 55: ...efaults the PIN code is set to 1 1 1 1 We recommend that you replace it with your own personal PIN code Keep your personal PIN code in a safe place In case you cannot remember it you can restore it to the default setting in the menu Factory Defaults Settings Only Activate the line Change Pin Code using the buttons and confirm using OK In the display which appears Enter Pin Code enter the current f...

Страница 56: ...ule press the appropriate ejector 4 and pull the CA module out of the CI slot When working with the CA module please read the appropriate operating instructions by the respective manufacturer Press the MENU button The following menu appears Main Menu In the Main Menu use the buttons to select the line Common Interface and confirm using OK The following menu appears Common Interface Use the buttons...

Страница 57: ... sleep timer which allows it to switch to stand by mode after the preset time is over Press the MENU button The Main Menu appears with the active line Settings Select the line Sleep Timer using the buttons and confirm using OK The menu Sleep Timer appears with the active line Time Confirm line Time using OK In the selection menu which appears use the buttons to select the desired switch off time i...

Страница 58: ... 0 standard Storage devices can be supplied with operating voltage of max 500 mA via the USB port Storage devices requiring a higher power input need their own mains adapter When connecting a device to the USB port the following messages can appear on the screen USB Mounting Message appears after connecting a storage de vice to the USB port USB Check Disk Storage device is checked for possible mis...

Страница 59: ... the simultaneous recording of a SAT program and playback of a recorded program when an external storage device is connected This procedure is used for the so called Time shift Time shift means that you can record a program and start to play it from the beginning e g delayed in time by 30 minutes while it is still being recorded Another option for using the time shift is e g the following situatio...

Страница 60: ...observe the preset run on time 17 2 2 Time shift recording You are watching a show are interrupted and wish to continue watching the show from the start of the interruption on Time shift for radio programs is not possible Press the pause button The picture on the screen is frozen freeze frame The pause symbol appears on the screen and the time displacement of the current show To start playing the ...

Страница 61: ...ng or ascending order By pressing OK the selected program event is earmarked for recording The event which was transferred is displayed in the EPG display with the recording icon R By pressing the OK button again the event is planned as a reminder The event which was transferred is displayed in the EPG display as a reminder By pressing the OK button again the event earmarked for recording is also ...

Страница 62: ...o library disappears In the satellite receiver display the title of the record ing being played is displayed as a ticker text Pausing ending playback To stop playing press the pause button To continue playback of this recording press the playback blue button or the pause button again To end playback press the stop button The following menu appears Video Video library To exit the menu press the Z b...

Страница 63: ...the respective button The selected letter will be highlighted by a grey background Press the respective button as often as necessary to correspond to the position at which the letter to be entered in the line is situated e g for the letter R press the 7 three times Confirm entries using OK To exit the video library Video menu press the Z but ton 19 2 Deleting a recording Open the video library Vid...

Страница 64: ...or the last selected channel Teletext Video text decoder installed supports teletext on the television set Software download via satellite Astra 19 2 East Mains supply 230 V 50 60 Hz Power consumption approx 9 W without LNB Common Interface and device at the USB port Ambient temperature 5 C 40 C Dimensions 280 x 195 x 45 mm 20 2 Warranty Our products are developed produced and tested in compliance...

Страница 65: ...e correctly Recorder volume on the satellite receiver is set too low Set higher volume Blocks forming Satellite antenna is not installed correctly Install the satellite antenna correctly and align it Satellite cable is damaged Replace satellite cable Incorrect settings in the menu Settings Antenna Settings Set the menu correctly Remote control does not work The batteries are inserted incorrectly I...

Страница 66: ...Optical audio output 12 P Parental control 53 Parental Lock 53 PCR 37 PID 37 Planning an event 49 Playback functions 62 primary audio language 20 Product information 40 PVR settings 22 R Reading messages 21 58 Reception system 29 Recording functions 59 Remote control 5 9 Resetting user preferences 40 RGB 24 S Sales receipt 64 Satellite antenna 11 Saving settings 22 SCART socket 8 Screen display 14...

Страница 67: ... 67 ENGLISH ...

Страница 68: ...Alterations reserved Technical data subject to change by GSS GmbH 19092008 ...

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