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Page 7: ...DS 100 Using the Menu 21 8 3 Operating the KADS 100 Using the Web Pages 22 8 4 Operating the KADS 1 and KADS 2 Using the Remote Control 35 9 Updating the KADS 1 or KADS 2 Firmware 36 10 Technical Specifications 37 10 1 Default IP Parameters 39 10 2 Default Logon Credentials 39 11 Protocol 3000 40 11 1 Kramer Protocol 3000 Syntax 40 11 2 Kramer Protocol 3000 Commands 43 Figures Figure 1 KADS 100 Fr...

Page 8: ...Figure 17 Test Tone Selection Button 29 Figure 18 The Channel Settings Page 30 Figure 19 The Video and Audio Settings Page 31 Figure 20 The Microphone Settings Page 33 Figure 21 The Authentication Page Security Disabled 34 Figure 22 The Authentication Page Security Enabled 34 Figure 23 The About Us Page 35 ...

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Page 10: ...ue to poor matching and elevated noise levels often associated with low quality cables Do not secure the cables in tight bundles or roll the slack into tight coils Avoid interference from neighboring electrical appliances that may adversely influence signal quality Position your KADS 100 KADS 1 and KADS 2 away from moisture excessive sunlight and dust This equipment is to be used only inside a bui...

Page 11: ... be collected and recycled To comply with the WEEE Directive Kramer Electronics has made arrangements with the European Advanced Recycling Network EARN and will cover any costs of treatment recycling and recovery of waste Kramer Electronics branded equipment on arrival at the EARN facility For details of Kramer s recycling arrangements in your particular country go to our recycling pages at http w...

Page 12: ...s This setup can be extended to control up to 99 speakers The KADS 1 is an active speaker with multi channel digital audio RS 232 data and power provided over a single cable The KADS 2 is similar to the KADS 1 but it also has a power supply to allow adding more speakers either by daisy chaining them or in a tree and branch configuration The KADS 100 KADS 1 and KADS 2 feature High resolution audio ...

Page 13: ... configured Using the KADS 100 Locally using the supplied IR remote controller 3 1 Using the IR Transmitter You can use the IR remote control transmitter provided to control the KADS 1 and KADS 2 machine via the built in IR receiver on the front panel see Section 8 4 ...

Page 14: ... either a KADS 1 or a KADS 2 up to 30m away The KADS 1 has a single output which can be connected to either another KADS 1 or a KADS 2 up to 30m away with a total of eight speakers in the chain The KADS 2 has two outputs that can be connected to either a KADS 1 or a KADS 2 up to 30m away with a total of eight speakers in the chain The KADS 2 also has a power input for extending a further eight spe...

Page 15: ...ons SPEAKER Press to select which speaker to control see Section 8 2 8 MIC Press to select control of the microphone parameters using the menu 9 CHANNEL Press to select a channel using the Adjust knob after selecting a channel to control 10 ADJUST Rotary Knob Rotate to move up or down through a menu or to adjust the parameter of the selected function depending on the context of the menu 11 ENTER B...

Page 16: ...pe microphone enables 48V phantom power for the MIC input 4 To SPEAKERS 2 pin Connector M Connect to the first speaker in the chain see Section 6 5 RS 232 9 pin D sub Connector F Connect to the remote serial controller to control the KADS 1 or to a PC to upgrade the firmware 6 PROG UPGRADE USB Mini USB Connector Connect to a PC to perform a firmware upgrade 7 USB Connector Connect a USB mass stora...

Page 17: ...eaker input of another KADS 1 or KADS 2 3 LAST Switch Push to the right when this speaker is the last in the chain push to the left when there are additional speakers connected to OUT 4 LINK LED Lights green when the device is connected to a source 5 RS 232 3 pin Terminal Block For the use of Kramer service personnel only 6 USB Program Connector Connect a USB flash drive to perform a firmware upgr...

Page 18: ...source 3 LAST Out 1 Switch Push to the right when there are no speakers connected to OUT 1 push to the left when there are additional speakers connected to OUT 1 4 LAST Out 2 Switch Push to the right when there are no speakers connected to OUT 2 push to the left when there are additional speakers connected to OUT 2 5 24V EXTERNAL 2 Pin Connector Connect to the supplied power adapter when connectin...

Page 19: ...KADS 100 KADS 1 KADS 2 Installing in a Rack 11 5 Installing in a Rack This section provides instructions for rack mounting the KADS 100 ...

Page 20: ...er to each device before connecting it to your KADS 100 KADS 1 and KADS 2 After connecting your KADS 100 KADS 1 KADS 2 connect the power to each of them and then switch on the power to each device You do not have to connect all the inputs and outputs connect only those that are required Figure 5 Connecting the KADS 100 KADS 1 and KADS 2 ...

Page 21: ...more than 240m 787ft In the second chain 5 Connect the SPEAKERS CHAIN OUT connector on the eighth KADS 1 to the SPEAKERS CHAIN IN connector on the first KADS 2 in the second chain 6 Connect the supplied power adapter to the first KADS 2 in the second chain 7 Connect the first SPEAKERS CHAIN OUT connector on the first KADS 2 in the second chain to the SPEAKERS CHAIN IN connector on the second KADS ...

Page 22: ...0 through the ring 3 Form a small loop in the cable and feed it through the ring again 4 Close the ring to secure the loop inside the ring To install a ferrite ring on the input to each speaker 1 Open the plastic cover of the ferrite ring by disengaging the clips with a small screwdriver 2 Feed the audio input cable to the KADS 1 KADS 2 through the ring 3 Form a small loop in the cable and feed it...

Page 23: ... KADS 100 via RS 232 Connect the RS 232 9 pin D sub connector on the KADS 100 only pin 2 pin 3 and pin 5 need be connected to the RS 232 9 pin D sub port on your PC 6 3 Wiring the RJ 45 Connectors This section defines the TP pinout using a straight pin to pin cable with RJ 45 connectors EIA TIA 568B Figure 7 TP PINOUT PIN Wire Color 1 Orange White 2 Orange 3 Green White 4 Blue 5 Blue White 6 Green...

Page 24: ...ar panel of the speaker Note ID 00 is reserved for system use and if used may cause the system to malfunction Figure 8 Setting the Rotary Switches To set the ID of a KADS 1 or KADS 2 for example 28 as shown in Figure 8 1 Turn the KADS 100 off 2 Using a small screwdriver turn the left hand rotary switch to the required number of tens in this example 2 3 Turn the right hand rotary switch to the requ...

Page 25: ... Each of the eight logical audio channels can be mapped to one or more of the speakers 8 1 Operating the KADS 100 Using the Front Panel Buttons 8 1 1 Setting up a Channel When switching a channel to S PDIF or an mp3 source that is defined as stereo the paired channel also switches to this source Paired channels are 1 and 2 3 and 4 5 and 6 7 and 8 Examples 1 The mp3 source is selected as stereo the...

Page 26: ...et 6 Press Esc repeatedly until you exit the menu system 8 1 2 Selecting a Speaker to Control Note If no speaker is selected then the last speaker that was selected is controlled If no speaker was previously selected then speaker 1 is controlled by default To select a speaker to control use either of the following methods 1 Press the required Keypad button on the front panel The selected Speaker b...

Page 27: ... Mic button on the front panel The Mic button lights red 2 Use the menu options to set the microphone gain and delay see Section 8 2 8 1 4 Setting the Volume Bass Mid and Treble Audio Properties Note The following procedure sets the audio properties for the speaker that was last selected unless another speaker is first selected see Section 8 1 2 If no speaker has been selected yet the procedure wi...

Page 28: ...m which to recall the configuration A progress message is displayed indicating which speaker is being updated To lock and unlock the front panel buttons 1 Press and hold the Lock button The panel buttons are locked and the Lock button lights Pressing any button now causes the Lock button to flash for a few seconds 2 Press and hold the Lock button The panel buttons are unlocked and the Lock button ...

Page 29: ... the list or turn the knob anti clockwise to move up the list 3 Press Enter to select the required option The context sensitive sub menu options are displayed 4 Press Enter to choose the selected sub menu option Either the sub menu parameters are displayed or additional options are displayed if the sub menu comprises further options 5 Press Exit to save the selection and to move one level up the m...

Page 30: ...nect Ensure that your browser is supported see Section 10 Ensure that JavaScript is enabled Note Connecting to the KADS 100 via more than one Web browser at a time can lead to unpredictable behavior 8 3 1 Browsing the KADS 100 Web Pages Note In the event that a Web page does not update correctly clear your Web browser s cache by pressing CTRL F5 To browse the KADS 100 Web pages 1 Open your Interne...

Page 31: ...is displayed Figure 10 The Default Page Item Description 1 Switching Details Displays the current switching status and the current audio and microphone volume 2 Left Hand Side Panel Hide Reveal Button Click to reveal the left hand side page panel Click the left hand side Hide Reveal button to open the left hand side page panel The Switching page appears as shown in Figure 11 ...

Page 32: ...e Button Click the arrow to close the page selection panel 4 Input Selection Buttons Analog select the associated analog input for the current channel USB USB flash drive with playback controls SPDIF digital input Test Frequency audio frequency generator with frequency control 5 Set Recall Preset Buttons Click one of the buttons to save or retrieve a configuration see Section 8 3 1 1 6 Mic Slider ...

Page 33: ...ll a configuration Note The Save Recall preset facility on this Web page does not work on iPads or tablets To save the current configuration 1 Click the Save Preset button The Save Preset popup window is displayed 2 Click the required preset number 0 to 9 to which to save the current configuration The current configuration is saved and the popup box disappears To recall a preset configuration 1 Cl...

Page 34: ...nnel 3 is selected the S PDIF input is assigned to this channel and the channel has one speaker connected to it 8 3 2 2 Input Selection Buttons There are four input selection buttons Analog associated analog input for the current channel USB USB flash drive storage with playback controls SPDIF digital input Test Frequency audio frequency generator with frequency control Analog Button Figure 13 Ana...

Page 35: ...yback Move one track back Stop Pause Play Move one track forward Open playlist window Note Only mp3 files are compatible with the player and all mp3 file names must be in English Note Only files in the root directory of the USB flash drive are detected If there are no valid files detected an error message is displayed Clicking on the Open Playlist button displays the window shown in Figure 15 It c...

Page 36: ...end an empty playlist to the KADS 1 3 Click OK to accept the changes or Cancel to dismiss the changes 4 To remove tracks from the playlist highlight the track s in the No Listed pane and click the Remove One or Remove All arrow button The track s are removed from the playlist 5 Click OK to accept the changes or Cancel to dismiss the changes Note Unplugging the USB flash drive and adding or removin...

Page 37: ...y using the slider button The currently selected frequency is shown in Herz to the left of the slider The selectable range is from 20 to 20000 8 3 3 The Channel Settings Page The Channel Settings page lets you View and modify channel properties for example the label and channel equalization Assign speakers to channels Manually scan for connected speakers View and modify speaker properties for exam...

Page 38: ...to manually scan for all connected speakers 4 Speaker or Channel Label Field and Save Button Edit to modify the channel or speaker label Click the Save button to save the new label 5 LED Button Click to turn on or off the LED on the front of the currently selected speaker 6 Equalization Sliders Click and drag to modify the bass mid treble and volume for the selected speaker Range Bass mid treble 2...

Page 39: ...ry reset Figure 19 The Video and Audio Settings Page Item Description 1 Information Section Displays the model serial number firmware version Web version and MAC address 2 DNS Name Field Enter the DNS name and press Set to save 3 DHCP ON OFF Buttons Press to turn DHCP on or off 4 IP Address Field Enter the IP address and press Set to save 5 Mask Field Enter the IP mask and press Set to save 6 Gate...

Page 40: ... default parameters To upgrade the firmware 1 Click the Browse button The Windows Browser opens 2 Browse to the required file 3 Select the required file and click Open The firmware file name is displayed in the Firmware Upgrade page 4 Click Start Upgrade The firmware file is loaded and a progress bar is displayed Do not interrupt the process or the KADS 100 may be damaged 5 When the process is com...

Page 41: ...djust the microphone level Figure 20 The Microphone Settings Page Item Description 1 Talk Over Channel Buttons Click ON or OFF to enable or disable the talkover feature for each channel 2 Delay Slider Click and drag the slider left or right to decrease or increase the microphone signal delay Range 0 to 85 5 Mic Slider Click and drag the slider up or down to increase or decrease the microphone gain...

Page 42: ...d and a message is displayed before the Web page is reloaded The following page is displayed when security is activated Figure 22 The Authentication Page Security Enabled Item Description 1 Activate Security Button Click to enable disable security settings When enabled the valid username and password must be provided to allow Web page access 2 Change Password Current Password box Enter the current...

Page 43: ...rate the KADS 1 KADS 2 1 Press the SPK button The LED on the speaker flashes red 2 Press the number of the required speaker for example 07 or 41 3 Press Enter The LED lights green 4 Press either Volume Mid Bass or Treble to select the option to modify 5 Press Up or Down to increase or decrease the selected option The audio character changes immediately 6 Press Enter 7 Repeat steps 4 5 and 6 to mod...

Page 44: ... flash drive or the PC to the USB Program connector on the rear of the KADS 1 KADS 2 If you are using a USB flash drive it is scanned for relevant files the LED on the front panel flashes a few times and the firmware is automatically loaded to the KADS 1 KADS 2 The procedure takes at least 60 seconds If you are using a PC browse to the folder where the firmware upgrade file is stored 3 When the pr...

Page 45: ...d as FAT32 MAXIMUM DISTANCE BETWEEN SPEAKERS 30m 100ft POWER CONSUMPTION 100 240V AC 50 60Hz 220VA TRANSMISSION DISTANCE Up to 30m 100ft on a two wire twisted power cable SUPPORTED WEB BROWSERS Windows 7 and higher IE 32 64 bit version 10 Firefox version 30 Chrome version 35 MAC Chrome version 35 Firefox version 27 Safari version 7 Android OS Chrome version 35 iOS Chrome version 35 Safari version ...

Page 46: ...ice personnel only 1 USB for firmware upgrades 1 2 pin Molex connector for 24V DC power POWER OUTPUT 25W 25W AUDIO BANDWIDTH 75 to 20kHz 3dB S N RATIO 84dB unweighted TOTAL GAIN 80dB to 24dB RS 232 BAUD RATE 115200bps MODE Full duplex POWER CONSUMPTION 24V DC 1 2A 24V DC 1 2A TRANSMISSION DISTANCE 8 Speakers each up to 30m 100ft apart 8 Speakers each up to 30m 100ft apart per power supply OPERATIN...

Page 47: ...meters Parameter Values Default Device Name Any alphanumeric string up to 14 chars can include hyphen but not at the beginning or end KRAMER_ DHCP ON OFF OFF IP Address Any valid IP address 192 168 1 39 Mask Any valid network mask 255 255 0 0 Gateway Any valid gateway address 192 168 0 1 TCP Port 0 to 65535 5000 UDP Port 0 to 65535 50000 10 2 Default Logon Credentials Parameter Values Name admin P...

Page 48: ...Host Message Format Start Address optional Body Delimiter Device_id Message CR 11 1 1 1 Simple Command Command string with only one command without addressing Start Body Delimiter Command SP Parameter_1 Parameter_2 CR 11 1 1 2 Command String Formal syntax with commands concatenation and addressing Start Address Body Delimiter Device_id Command_1 Parameter1_1 Parameter1_2 Command_2 Parameter2_1 Par...

Page 49: ...ace Parameters A sequence of alphanumeric ASCII characters 0 9 A Z a z and some special characters for specific commands Parameters are separated by commas Message string Every command entered as part of a message string begins with a message starting character and ends with a message closing character Note A string can contain more than one command Commands are separated by a pipe character Messa...

Page 50: ... Enter key LF is also sent but is ignored by command parser For commands sent from some non Kramer controllers like Crestron some characters require special coding such as X Refer to the controller manual 11 1 5 Command Forms Some commands have short name syntax in addition to long name syntax to allow faster typing The response is always in long syntax 11 1 6 Chaining Commands Multiple commands c...

Page 51: ...one gain End User MID RANGE Set audio midrange level End User MODEL Read device model End User MUTE Set audio mute End User NAME Set machine DNS name Administrator NAME RST Reset machine name to factory default Administrator NET DHCP Set DHCP mode Administrator NET GATE Set Gateway Administrator NET IP Set IP address Administrator NET MAC Get MAC address End User NET MASK Set subnet mask Administr...

Page 52: ...me Permission Transparency Set AUD LVL End User Public Get AUD LVL End User Public Description Syntax Set Set audio level in specific amplifier stage AUD LVL stage channel volume Get Get audio level in specific amplifier stage AUD LVL stage channel Response nn AUD LVL stage channel volume Parameters stage IN OUT or numeric value of present audio processing stage For example 1 for input level 2 for...

Page 53: ...or output number bass_level audio parameter in Kramer units minus sign precedes negative values increase current value decrease current value Response Triggers Notes Command BUILD DATE Command Type System mandatory Command Name Permission Transparency Set Get BUILD DATE End User Public Description Syntax Set Get device build date BUILD DATE Get Response nn BUILD DATE date time Parameters date Form...

Page 54: ... ID for file in file system free_size free space in bytes in device file system Response Triggers Notes Command ETH PORT Command Type Communication Command Name Permission Transparency Set ETH PORT Administrator Public Get ETH PORT End User Public Description Syntax Set Set Ethernet port protocol ETH PORT portType ETHPort portNum Get Get Ethernet port protocol ETH PORT portType portNum Response nn...

Page 55: ...t Response nn FACTORY OK Parameters Response Triggers Notes This command deletes all user data from the device The deletion can take some time Command FS FREE Command Type File System Command Name Permission Transparency Set Get FS FREE Administrator Public Description Syntax Set Get Get file system free space FS FREE Response nn FS_FREE free_size Parameters free_size free size in device file syst...

Page 56: ... User Public Description Syntax Set Get Get command list or help for specific command 2 options 1 HELP 2 HELP command_name Response 1 Multi line nn Device available protocol 3000 commands command command To get help for command use HELP COMMAND_NAME 2 Multi line nn HELP command description USAGE usage Parameters Response Triggers Notes ...

Page 57: ...ck_mode Get Get front panel lock state Option 1 LOCK FP Option 2 LOCK FP device_id Response Set Option 1 nn LOCK FP lock_mode OK Option 2 01 LOCK FP device_id lock_mode OK Get Option 1 nn LOCK FP lock_mode Option 2 01 LOCK FP device_id lock_mode Parameters lock_mode 0 OFF unlocks the front panel buttons 1 ON locks the front panel buttons device_id for K Net controllers select the button panel to l...

Page 58: ...mand Default password is an empty string Response Triggers Notes For devices that support security LOGIN allows to the user to run commands with an End User or Administrator permission level In each device some connections can be logged in to different levels and some do not work with security at all Connection may logout after timeout The permission system works only if security is enabled with t...

Page 59: ... Command Name Permission Transparency Set MIC GAIN End User Public Get MIC GAIN End User Public Description Syntax Set Set the microphone gain MIC GAIN P1 P2 Get Get the microphone gain MIC GAIN P1 Response Set Get nn MIC GAIN P1 P2 Parameters P1 Input number for VP 553 always 0 P2 level 0 to 100 Response Triggers Response is sent to the com port from which the Set before execution Get command was...

Page 60: ... nn MIDRANGE channel midrange_level Parameters channel input or output number midrange_level audio parameter in Kramer units minus sign precedes negative values increase current value decrease current value Response Triggers Notes Command MODEL Command Type System mandatory Command Name Permission Transparency Set Get MODEL End User Public Description Syntax Set Get Get device model MODEL Response...

Page 61: ...s Command NAME Command Type System Ethernet Command Name Permission Transparency Set NAME Administrator Public Get NAME End User Public Description Syntax Set Set machine DNS name NAME machine_name Get Get machine DNS name NAME Response Set nn NAME machine_name OK Get nn NAME machine_name Parameters machine_name String of up to 14 alpha numeric chars can include hyphen not at the beginning or end ...

Page 62: ...nistrator Public Get NET DHCP End User Public Description Syntax Set Set DHCP mode NET DHCP mode Get Get DHCP mode NET DHCP Response Set nn NET DHCP mode OK Get nn NET DHCP mode Parameters mode 0 Do not use DHCP Use the IP set by the factory or using the IP set command 1 Try to use DHCP If unavailable use IP as above Response Triggers Notes Connecting Ethernet to devices with DHCP may take more ti...

Page 63: ...riggers Notes A network gateway connects the device via another network and maybe over the Internet Be careful of security problems For proper settings consult your network administrator Command NET IP Command Type Communication Command Name Permission Transparency Set NET IP Administrator Public Get NET IP End User Public Description Syntax Set Set IP address NET IP ip_address Get Get IP address ...

Page 64: ...x digit Response Triggers Notes Command NET MASK Command Type Communication Command Name Permission Transparency Set NET MASK Administrator Public Get NET MASK End User Public Description Syntax Set Set subnet mask NET MASK net_mask Get Get subnet mask NET MASK Response Set nn NET MASK net_mask OK Get nn NET MASK net_mask Parameters net_mask format xxx xxx xxx xxx Response Triggers The subnet mask...

Page 65: ...SS login_level password OK Parameters login_level level of login to set End User or Administrator password password for the login_level Up to 15 printable ASCII chars Response Triggers Notes The default password is an empty string Command PROT VER Command Type System mandatory Command Name Permission Transparency Set Get PROT VER End User Public Description Syntax Set Get Get device protocol versi...

Page 66: ... and audio presets with the same number are stored and recalled together by commands PRST STO and PRST RCL Command PRST STO Command Type System Command Name Permission Transparency Set PRST STO End User Public Get Description Syntax Set Store current connections volumes and modes in preset PRST STO preset Get Response nn PRST STO preset Parameters preset preset number Response Triggers Notes In mo...

Page 67: ...ections immediately after running this command If the port was locked disconnect and reconnect the cable to reopen the port Command ROUTE Command Type Routing Command Name Permission Transparency Set ROUTE End User Public Get ROUTE End User Public Description Syntax Set Set layer routing ROUTE layer dest src Get Get layer routing ROUTE layer dest Response nn ROUTE layer dest src Parameters layer d...

Page 68: ...ecurity_mode Parameters security_mode 1 ON enables security 0 OFF disables security Response Triggers Notes The permission system works only if security is enabled with the SECUR command Command SN Command Type System mandatory Command Name Permission Transparency Set Get SN End User Public Description Syntax Set Get Get device serial number SN Response nn SN serial_number Parameters serial_number...

Page 69: ... Response nn STEREO channel stereo_mode Parameters channel output number stereo_mode 0 or OFF 1 or ON Response Triggers Notes Command TEST FREQ Command Type Audio Command Name Permission Transparency Set TEST FREQ End User Public Get TEST FREQ End User Public Description Syntax Set Sets signal generator frequency TEST_FREQ frequency Get Gets signal generator frequency TEST_FREQ Response nn TEST_FR...

Page 70: ...r talkover_mode 0 or OFF 1 or ON Response Triggers Notes Command TREBLE Command Type Audio Command Name Permission Transparency Set TREBLE End User Public Get TREBLE End User Public Description Syntax Set Set audio treble level TREBLE channel treble_level Get Get audio treble level TREBLE channel Response nn TREBLE channel treble_level Parameters channel input or output number treble_level audio p...

Page 71: ...KADS 100 KADS 1 KADS 2 Protocol 3000 63 11 2 2 On Off Number Value 0 Off 1 On 11 2 3 Stage Number Value 0 Input 1 Output 2 Reserved 3 Reserved ...

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