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2 SPEED GEARBOX 

User manual 

   

Ref.: RX142/046 

Version 09/05/2017 - English 

 

This document must not be reproduced nor information therein disclosed without our authorization 

Page 35 / 35 

 

 
 
 

8  TROUBLE SHOOTING / FAQ 

 
If  the  information  provided  into  the  following  table  is  unable  to  solve  the  problem,  please 

consult your nearest REDEX agent. 

 

Trouble observed 

Potential cause 

Measure to solve it 

Proximity sensor does not 

detect gear engagement 

Proximity detector(s) is 

damaged 

Replace proximity 

detector(s) 

Proximity detector(s) is 

upset 

Set proximity detector(s) 

No gear change happen 

Change speed actuator is 

damaged 

Replace the change speed 

actuator 

Elastic coupling between 

motoreducer and actuator axis is 

damaged 

Replace the coupling 

Wrong power supply to the 

actuator 

Electrical speed changer : 
check the connection 

Pneumatic actuator: check 

the pressure and the leak 

tightness of the circuit. 

Mechanical problem 

Send the gearbox back to 

REDEX for analyze and eventual 

repair 

Gearbox is noisy  

(knocking noises) 

Speed encoder on motor is 

not working properly 

Check speed encoder 

connections and clean it if 

necessary. 

In vertical mounting & 

c

losed loop external forced 

lubrication 

the oil flow sensor 

forces the machine to stop 

 

Some air is sucked with the 

oil and the pump is surging 

(the pressure sensor detect 

irregular pressure drops) 

Check the leak tightness of 

the connections between pipes, 

gearbox & pump. 

Check that the hexagonal 

screw on the side of the filter is 

properly tightened 

Pump is damaged 

Test the pump alone to 

check if it is out of order and 

replace it if necessary 

 
 

 
 

Summary of Contents for MSR 330

Page 1: ...Spindle Drives MSR 330 640 650 660 Mounting Setup and Maintenance Instructions Product sheet RX142 046 Version 09 05 2017 English ...

Page 2: ...ode input sun gear supported by a bearing housing 13 3 2 6 Special input sun gear with compression coupling L 14 3 3 Mounting of the gearbox onto the motor 16 3 3 1 Gearbox with motor flange 16 3 3 2 Gearbox without motor flange 18 4 MOUNTING OF THE GEARBOX ON THE MACHINE 21 4 1 5 output interface mounting 21 4 2 6 output interface mounting 21 4 3 7 output interface mounting 22 5 OUTPUT SHAFT MOUN...

Page 3: ...cation plate and the serial number indicated on it The serial number must be given for any correspondence on a particular unit 1 3 Long term storage Each gearbox is delivered wrapped and greased for 1 month anti corrosion protection Gearboxes which are not installed shortly after receipt should be stored in a dry atmosphere with temperature between 0 C 40 C The unit must be filled completely with ...

Page 4: ...7 66 9 88 7 66 11 16 8 66 11 49 Efficiency 0 94 0 94 0 94 0 94 0 94 0 94 0 94 Nominal output torque S1 100 Nm 2500 2500 5900 7000 6600 9000 12000 Max input speed rpm 6000 6000 5000 5000 4500 4500 3500 2 2 Radial loads Radial Load capacity on output Notes Forces valid for a calculation basis of 15 000 hours For special design those data are subjected to change Always refer to specific Redex calcula...

Page 5: ...the machine 3 1 Preliminary dimensional checking of the motor 3 1 1 Run out checking of the motor A Clean and degrease the motor output shaft flange and pilot diameter B Put the motor onto a table C The motor must respect DIN 42 955 class R check the concentricity of the motor shaft with a comparator Shaft diameter d mm Radial run out mm Pilot diameter b1 mm Max axial face run out Pilot radial run...

Page 6: ...ear Half key balancing Half key balancing Without key balancing Full key balancing Full key balancing Without key balancing usually 2 keyways 3 2 Assembly of the input sun gear onto the motor MSRXXX A H 5 S 2076 M2 21J42 D SS The sun gear is delivered bored and keyed in accordance with motor specifications If it is compression coupling on the input sun gear see chapter 3 2 6 It is separately deliv...

Page 7: ...or shaft keyway D Lightly grease the motor shaft using an anti fretting paste E If a spacer is delivered with the gearbox Fit it on the motor shaft against the shaft shoulder F Fit the key on the shaft G Heat the input sungear up to 80 100 C H Fit the input sungear against the spacer or the shoulder according to the sketch I Measure the length X2 between the motor mounting surface and the input su...

Page 8: ...d X2 X2 must be less than X1 with a tolerance of e according to the following table X2 e X1 e mm MSD300 From 0 05 to 0 90 MSD600 From 0 05 to 0 85 L If necessary grind the spacer to adjust the X2 dimension For information the theoretical values of X2 are shown in the table below Shaft length mm X2 Theoretical mm MSR300 80 84 3 0 0 35 110 117 3 0 0 35 140 147 3 0 0 35 MSR600 140 154 0 0 35 170 174 ...

Page 9: ... 2 2 C input flange code input sun gear without seal with bearing MSRXXX C H 5 S 2076 M2 21J42 D SS Make sure the motor have sealing on his shaft A Put the motor horizontally on a table B Clean and degrease the motor shaft and the bore of the MSR input sun gear C Adjust the key to the input sun gear keyway and to the motor shaft keyway D Lightly grease the motor shaft using an anti fretting paste ...

Page 10: ... key to the input sun gear keyway and to the motor shaft keyway D Lightly grease the motor shaft using an anti fretting paste E If a spacer is delivered with the gearbox Fit it on the motor shaft against the shaft shoulder F Bring the sealing flange with his seal onto the motor G Fit the key on the shaft H Heat the input sun gear up to 80 100 C I Fit the input sun gear against the spacer or the sh...

Page 11: ...are the values of X1 and X2 X2 must be less than X1 with a tolerance of e according to the following table X2 e X1 e mm MSR300 From 0 05 to 0 90 MSR600 From 0 05 to 0 85 M If necessary grind the spacer to adjust the X2 dimension For information the theoretical values of X2 are shown in the table below Shaft length mm X2 Theoretical mm MSR300 80 84 3 0 0 35 110 117 3 0 0 35 140 147 3 0 0 35 MSR600 ...

Page 12: ...roceed to the motor mounting see chapter 3 3 3 2 4 F input flange code input sun gear with seal with bearing MSRXXX F H 5 S 2076 M2 21J42 D SS A Put the motor horizontally on a table B Clean and degrease the motor shaft C Adjust the key to the input sun gear keyway and to the motor shaft keyway D Fit the key on the shaft E Lightly grease the motor shaft using an anti fretting paste F Proceed to th...

Page 13: ... A D SS 3 2 5 1 B input bearing code with flange A Radial Load capacity a Fr D Maximum admissible radial load Calculation basis 15 000 hours Type Size a Fr at 370 rpm MSR300 50 mm 14200 N MSR600 75 mm 90000 N For special design those data are subject to change Always refer to specific application data 3 2 5 2 B input bearing code with plain shaft B MSR gearbox can optionally be delivered with plai...

Page 14: ...L42 D SS A Put the motor horizontally on a table B Clean and degrease the motor shaft and the bore of the MSR input sun gear C Bring the spacer and the sealing flange with his seal onto the motor if you have one D Fit the input sun gear against the spacer or the shoulder E Tighten the compression coupling screw F Check the length X2 between the motor mounting surface and the input sun gear as show...

Page 15: ... on a table B Clean and degrease the motor shaft and the bore of the MSR input sun gear C Bring the MSD unit level with the motor axis in order to flange the unit on the motor D Tighten the motor mounting screws for final securing of the motor to the MSR unit to the appropriate tightening E Tighten the compression coupling screw by the two windows Screw type Class 12 9 Tightening torque N m M6 17 ...

Page 16: ...Completely degrease the MSR and motor contact surfaces C Insure the sealing of the system Refer to the following pictures Motor pilot diameter Motor pilot diameter MSR300 248mm MSR600 360mm Instructions Put a continuous seal seam on the motor reference surface this seam must be 3 4 mm thick minimum and begin in the corner of pilot diameter Put a continuous seal seam on the MSR flange surface this ...

Page 17: ...ilicone Incolore LOCTITE Silcomet INCOLORE D Bring the MSR unit level with the motor axis in order to flange the unit on the motor Rotate the output MSR shaft for perfect engagement of the gear teeth during mounting E Tighten the motor mounting screws for final securing of the motor to the MSR unit to the appropriate tightening Screw type Class 12 9 Tightening torque N m M6 17 M8 41 M10 83 M12 145...

Page 18: ... before being mounted on the gearbox The following instructions must be followed A Clean and degrease all surfaces B Seal the gearbox input flange see example on the pictures below Sealing of the housing before mounting the intermediate flange C Bring the intermediate flange D Seal the intermediate flange see example on the pictures below Sealing of the intermediate flange before mounting the moto...

Page 19: ... diameter MSR300 248mm MSR600 360mm Instructions Put a continuous seal seam on the motor reference surface this seam must be 3 4 mm tick minimum and begin in the angle of pilot diameter Put a continuous seal seam on the MSR flange surface this seam must be 3 4 mm tick minimum and surround the fixing holes We recommend the following sealants Recommended sealants GEB Gebsicone S Translucide RUBSON M...

Page 20: ... not be reproduced nor information therein disclosed without our authorization Page 20 35 K Tighten with the appropriate torque the screws for final securing of the motor to the MSR unit Screw type Class 12 9 Tightening torque N m M6 17 M8 41 M10 83 M12 145 M14 230 M16 355 M18 485 M20 690 ...

Page 21: ...terface mounting MSRXXX A H 5 S 2076 M2 21J42 D SS 4 2 6 output interface mounting MSRXXX A H 6 S 2076 M2 21J42 D SS Output interface 5 6 7 Chapter reference 4 1 4 2 4 3 MSR Fixation 330 2 x 4 M16 on square 250 640 2 x 4 x M20 on square 315 650 2 x 4 x M20 on square 400 660 2 x 4 x M24 on square 500 MSR Fixation 330 2 x 4 M16 on square 250 640 2 x 4 x Ø22 on W355 H200 650 2 x 4 x Ø22 on W450 H280 ...

Page 22: ...n therein disclosed without our authorization Page 22 35 4 3 7 output interface mounting MSRXXX A H 7 S 2076 M2 21J42 D SS MSR Fixation 330 2 x 4 M16 on square 250 640 2 x 4 x Ø22 on W355 H200 650 2 x 4 x Ø22 on W450 H280 660 2 x 4 x Ø26 on W560 H180 WARNING We recommend supporting the motor its weight must be acceptable ...

Page 23: ...rein disclosed without our authorization Page 23 35 5 OUTPUT SHAFT MOUNTING IN THE MSR SPLINED BORE We advice using one of the two following cases depending on the customer choice 5 1 Loose mounting Ø B E2 Ø C D L MSR330 63k6 60x2x28 6h 55h6 45 112 MSR640 83k6 80x3x25 6h 70h6 65 151 MSR650 100k6 95x3x30 6h 85h6 65 151 MSR660 ...

Page 24: ... A Control the shaft dimensions and geometry it must be fully compliant with the above table B Clean all the surfaces of bore and shaft C To minimize fretting corrosion between shaft and bore we recommend using a grease type KLÜBERPAST46 MR 401 on bore and shaft surfaces D Put the shaft into the bore Ensure good coaxiality and slightly oscillate the shaft in order to engage properly the splines E ...

Page 25: ...ant with the above table B Clean all the surfaces of bore and shaft C To minimize fretting corrosion between shaft and bore we recommend using a grease type KLÜBERPAST46 MR 401 on bore and shaft surfaces D Cool down the shaft with liquid NITROGEN G Put the shaft into the bore Ensure good coaxiality and slightly oscillate the shaft in order to engage properly the splines E Control the run out of th...

Page 26: ...2 SPEED GEARBOX User manual Ref RX142 046 Version 09 05 2017 English This document must not be reproduced nor information therein disclosed without our authorization Page 26 35 5 3 Control the run out ...

Page 27: ... the motoreducer irreversibility worm gear type After the position switch gives a signal that the ratio change is done the power supply of the motor must be cut The speed change motoreducer moves the cam in front of proximity switches hall effect when the gear is properly engaged Their positions are set in our shop and must not be modified 6 1 1 Motor type Motoreducer reference DOGA 316 Connector ...

Page 28: ...hout our authorization Page 28 35 6 1 3 Electric diagram Direct Ratio KM2 KA1 KM1 KM1 KM2 M 1 3 4 KA1 Reduction Ratio KM1 KA2 KM2 1 3 4 KA2 24V DC 6A 0V 24V DC 6A 0V KA1 KA2 Direct Ratio Sensor High Speed Reduction Ratio Sensor Low Speed 2 1 Reduction Ratio Signal Direct Ratio Signal Voltage V Switching Current A 24 0 2 Wiring Connector pinout ...

Page 29: ...or interface is 1 8 GAZ Operating pressure range is from 5 to 10 bars Power supply for ratio 1 1 Power supply for reduction Proximity sensors MSDbvr35 MSDbvr 60 Proximity sensors MSDbvr 12 6 3 Ratio change by pneumatic hydraulic actuator 3 positions Specific 3 positions ratio change actuators are able to include a neutral position please ask your nearest REDEX agent for specific instructions WARNI...

Page 30: ...hift to reduction ratio both motors Check Reduction ratio Signal both MSR No Yes Oscillate both spindle motors Shift to direct ratio both MSR Release motors preload each motor torque 0 Nm Oscillate both Spindle Motor Start spindle motors Motor oscillation 10 of oscillation amplitude with a period of 1s If case of only one gear shift is successful we recommend to proceed to gear speed change again ...

Page 31: ... consult us Lubricants with viscosity 100 Cst at 40 C Open loop lubrication with tank With regulation at 80 C maxi TOTAL CASTROL SHELL MOBIL ESSO Minéral Carter EP100 Alpha SP100 Omala 100 Gear 627 Spartan EP100 PAO Alphasyn T100 or EP100 Omala HD100 SHC 627 Lubrication with viscosity 68 Cst at 40 C Open loop lubrication with tank With regulation at 70 C maxi TOTAL CASTROL SHELL MOBIL ESSO Minéral...

Page 32: ...ed in the oil manifold positioned on the side 2 it s possible to put it on the side 3 according the scheme 7 3 2 Outlet oil Oil returns can be straight or elbow they are positioned on the side 2 On the MSD it s possible to put them on the side 2 3 or 4 On the angle gear it s possible to put them on the side 2 or 3 Oil return on the MSD Oil return on the angle gear Free rotation of oil return fitti...

Page 33: ...ed The thermal inertia of the large oil volume contained into the tank might be large enough to save a cooling system For this configuration there is no standard accessory supplied by REDEX Size Inlet oil flow rate Q2 l min Output oil Output oil hole connection Suction oil flow rate Q3 l min Suction oil flow rate Q4 l min MSR 330 9 suction on P02 and P03 6 6 suction on P02 and gravity on P03 6 MSR...

Page 34: ...he oil flow rates depend on the oil T the power to be evacuated and the final housing temperature desired for the gearbox Therefore it may vary a lot depending on your application specification Please always refer to the application technical specification indicated by REDEX 2 T Output oil temperature Input oil temperature WARNING The pump must be running before starting the main motor ...

Page 35: ...tor axis is damaged Replace the coupling Wrong power supply to the actuator Electrical speed changer check the connection Pneumatic actuator check the pressure and the leak tightness of the circuit Mechanical problem Send the gearbox back to REDEX for analyze and eventual repair Gearbox is noisy knocking noises Speed encoder on motor is not working properly Check speed encoder connections and clea...

Page 36: ...monté hors de nos ateliers 2 Le choix du matériel a été effectué conformément aux indications de nos documentations techniques 3 Le montage du matériel et les interfaces avec les éléments de machines ont été effectués en suivant les procédures de ce manuel 4 La périodicité de graissage la qualité et la quantité d huile préconisées ont été respectées 5 La puissance moyenne en sortie est inférieure ...

Page 37: ...evarse a cabo en nuestras instalaciones y los costes derivados del transporte correrán a cuenta del cliente GARANZIA Le unità REDEX hanno 2 anni di garanzia dalla data di consegna Quando le unità sono riparate in REDEX il periodo di garanzia è di 6 mesi dalla data di consegna Questa garanzia comprende la sostituzione gratuita dei pezzi riconosciuti diffetosi La garanzia è applicabile solo se le se...

Page 38: ...ice Código 代码 Designation Désignation Bezeichnung Designazione Designación 名称 Despatching date Date de sortie Versanddatum Data di uscita Fecha de expedición 出厂日期 Workshop manager signature Signature du responsable du montage Unterschrift Leiter Technische Dienste Firma del responsabile di officina Firma del responsable de fábrica 车间经理签名 REDEX ...

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