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... Machines with a dump valve

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Push the emergency drain lever
downwards (see illustration) and hold
until no more water runs out.

Opening the drum door

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Always make sure that the drum

is stationary before reaching into the
machine to remove laundry.
Reaching into a moving drum is
extremely dangerous.

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Use a spoon handle to pull the
emergency release downwards (see
arrow). The drum door will open.

Problem solving guide

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Summary of Contents for PW 5065 OS

Page 1: ...ation instructions for washer extractor PW 5065 OS To avoid the risk of accidents or damage to the machine it is essential to read these instructions before it is installed and used for the first time M Nr 09 757 900 en EXP ...

Page 2: ...munity waste collection recycling centre or contact your dealer for advice Ensure that it presents no danger to children while being stored for disposal Energy saving tips Energy and water consumption Water consumption and energy usage are determined by the size of the load To make the most out of your machine load the maximum dry load for the programme you are using If smaller loads are washed us...

Page 3: ...n rinses and the final spin 24 Delay start 25 Programme chart 26 Basic programmes 26 Special programmes 28 Programme sequence 32 Changing the programme sequence 34 To cancel a programme 34 To interrupt a programme 34 To alter a programme 34 Adding or removing laundry after a programme has started 35 Detergent 36 Water softeners 37 Washing with several components 37 Fabric conditioner or liquid sta...

Page 4: ...re 49 After sales service 52 PC Optical interface 52 Optional accessories 52 Installation and connection 53 Front view 53 Rear view 54 Installing the machine 55 Installation surface 56 Removing the transit bars 56 Re fitting the transit bars 58 Levelling the machine 58 Screwing out and adjusting the feet 58 Securing the machine to prevent it slipping 59 Washer dryer stack 60 Installation on a rais...

Page 5: ...trast 71 Display brightness 71 Standby Display 71 Memory 72 Auto load control 72 Pre wash water 72 Main wash water 72 Rinse water 72 Minimum iron duration 74 Pre wash Cottons Minimum iron 74 List special progs 74 Hygiene 74 No rinses Cottons 75 No rinses Minimum iron 75 No rinses Disinfection 75 Pre rinse Cottons 75 Pre rinse Minimum iron 75 Spin free of charge 75 Contents 5 ...

Page 6: ...e users owners of the machine Correct application Only use the machine to wash items which are specified by the manufacturer to be machine washable on the wash care label and textiles composed of hand washable wool or wool blend fabrics as well as satin lace silk and other hand washable garments Any other applications may be dangerous The manufacturer cannot be held liable for damage resulting fro...

Page 7: ... recog nise and understand the consequences of incorrect operation Children must not be allowed to clean or maintain the machine unsupervised Please supervise children in the vicinity of the machine and do not let them play with it It is the operator s responsiblity to ensure that the standard of disinfection in thermal as well as chemo thermal procedures is maintained in accordance with local aut...

Page 8: ...epairs could result in unforeseen dangers for the user for which Miele cannot accept liability Repairs should only be undertaken by a Miele approved service technician If this is not done any resultant damage will not be covered by the guarantee Ensure current is not supplied to the machine until after maintenance or repair work has been carried out Do not make any alterations to the machine unles...

Page 9: ...d or a multi socket unit These do not guarantee the required safety of the machine e g danger or overheating The appliance may only be operated when the following conditions are met the ship s hull is longer than 28 metres the list of the vessel is not more than 2 any external vibration is no more than 150 Hz at an amplitude of 0 35 mm The safe operation and correct functioning of the appliance ca...

Page 10: ...h may be subject to infestation by cockroaches or other vermin pay particular attention to keeping the machine and its surroundings in a clean condition at all times Any damage which may be caused by cockroaches or other vermin will not be covered by the guarantee Please observe the instructions in Installation and connection and Technical data The socket must be easily accessible after installati...

Page 11: ...lace may result in damage to both the machine and adjacent furniture or appliances Turn off the stopcock if the machine is to be left for any length of time e g holiday especially if there is no floor drain gully in the immediate vicinity Flooding danger If hooking the drain hose into a wash basin check that the water can drain off quickly enough to prevent the sink from overflowing Make sure the ...

Page 12: ...ing washed in the machine Never use solvent based cleaning agents e g those containing benzine in this machine as this may result in damage to component parts and create toxic fumes Such agents also pose a fire and explosion hazard Benzine petrol paraffin or any easily flammable liquid must not be stored or used near the machine Fire and explosion risk Only use dyes specified by the manufacturer a...

Page 13: ...ts Products must only be used for applications approved by the manufacturer to avoid any material damage or the occurrence of strong chemical reactions Accessories Accessory parts may only be fitted when expressly approved by Miele If other parts are used guarantee performance and product liability claims will be invalidated A Miele tumble dryer can be stacked on top of a Miele washing machine usi...

Page 14: ...an also be used to update programming data in the future ePre wash button with indicator light fProgramme selector For selecting a programme The programme selector can be turned clockwise or anti clockwise gOn Off button s To save energy the machine will switch itself off automatically 15 minutes after the end of the programme anti crease phase or after being switched on if no other selection is m...

Page 15: ...ards OK button For confirming the value selected and choosing the next value The following are selected via the display special programmes final spin speed the temperatures for some programmes delay start The display also shows the duration of the programmes and the current time of day The Settings J menu is also operated via the display Operating the washer extractor 15 ...

Page 16: ...election by pressing the OK button Reminder to remove transport bars To avoid the risk of damage the transport bars must be removed before the machine is used for the first time See Installation and connection for instructions on how to do this After removing the transport bars if this has not already been done by your fitter press the OK button The display for setting the time will then appear Se...

Page 17: ...s can be pre treated with liquid detergent stain removers etc first following the manufacturer s instructions With particularly stubborn stains ask your dry cleaner for advice Do not use solvent based cleaning agents in this machine Sorting laundry Sort the laundry by colour and by care label Most garments have a textile care label in the collar or side seam Dark textiles often contain excess dye ...

Page 18: ...ton K The interior drum lighting will come on Press the Door button and open the drum door Unfold the laundry and load loosely into the drum Mixing both large and small items gives better wash results and also helps distribute the load evenly during spinning The most efficient use of energy and water is achieved when a full load is washed However do not overload as this causes creases and reduces ...

Page 19: ...he lowest temperature or cold h Do not wash Drying The number of dots indicates the drying temperature q Normal temperature r Low temperature s Do not tumble dry Ironing The number of dots indicates the ironing temperature I approx 200 C H approx 150 C G approx 110 C J Do not iron Professional cleaning f Dry clean only The letters indicate the type of cleaning agent required p w Professional Wet C...

Page 20: ...ing ASort the laundry BLoad the drum Switch on the machine The interior drum lighting will come on Open the drum door Unfold the laundry and load loosely into the drum Make sure that no items are caught between the drum door and seal Shut the door with a gentle swing Short instructions 20 ...

Page 21: ...splay C Quick wash E Shirts Starch H Use the or button to highlight the programme you wish to select and confirm your selection by pressing the OK button The display will switch to show the menu for the programme selected Shirts 40 C 800 rpm Duration 0 38 h You can then alter the temperature which is shown highlighted with the or buttons Press the OK button to confirm the temperature The spin spee...

Page 22: ...vel of agitation and poor wash rinse and spin results A burden to the environment See Detergent for further information Pull out the detergent drawer and add detergent to the compartments as follows i Detergent for the pre wash 1 4 of the total amount recommended j Detergent for the main wash Fabric conditioner or liquid starch Close the detergent drawer The compartment is not used during Disinfec...

Page 23: ...medi ately the programme has finished the anti crease phase will begin and the drum will turn at intervals to help prevent creasing The machine will switch off automatically 15 minutes after the end of the anti crease phase You will need to press the K button to switch it back on again Press the Door button to open the drum door Remove the laundry Check that all items have been removed from the dr...

Page 24: ...nd between the rinses A reduction in the final spin speed will also reduce the interim spin speed To omit the final spin Rinse hold Select the Rinse hold setting The laundry will not be spun and will remain suspended in the final rinse water This reduces creasing if the laundry is not going to be removed from the drum immediately after the end of the programme To start the final spin The machine w...

Page 25: ... to the next full or half hour Each subsequent press on the button will delay the programme end time by 30 minutes Use the button to shorten the time if you have chosen too long a time Confirm the programme end time by pressing the OK button To begin delay start Press the Start button 60 C 1200 rpm Start in 2 41 h The display will show when the programme will be started in hours and minutes To alt...

Page 26: ...d fabrics Delicates 20 C to 40 C Max load 2 5 kg Use for Delicate synthetic mixed fibre rayon and easy care cotton garments Note Use the woollens programme for any textiles which contain wool Additional option Pre wash Detergent Liquid detergent for delicates Towelling 40 C to 60 C Max load 5 5 kg Note For dark coloured fabrics use a detergent for coloured fabrics Additional option Pre wash Deterg...

Page 27: ...nts Notes These settings are the most efficient in terms of energy and water consumption for washing cottons With r the actual wash temperature reached will be lower than 60 C although the wash performance is the same as with the standard Cottons 60 C programme Extras Pre wash Detergent Universal detergent or detergent for coloured fabric Note for test institutes Test programme in accordance with ...

Page 28: ...arch Max load 3 5 kg Note The laundry table cloths napkins workwear should be washed but not treated with fabric conditioner Starching agent Liquid starch powder starch formulations Pillows 30 C to 60 C 2 pillows 40 x 80 cm or 1 pillow 80 x 80 cm Use for Pillows with feather down or synthetic fillings Notes Please observe the instructions on the wash care label Use a liquid detergent Detergent Uni...

Page 29: ...abric conditioner compartment Separate rinse Max load 6 5 kg Use for Articles which have been washed by hand and only need to be rinsed and spun in the machine Denim Cold to 40 C Max load 3 5 kg Notes Wash denim inside out Denim often contains excess dye and may run during the first few washes Wash light and dark coloured items separately Detergent Liquid detergent for coloured fabrics Dark garmen...

Page 30: ...giene instruction will appear in the display again at the end of the programme Flour Flour 40 C to 95 C 40 C to 95 C Max load 6 5 kg Use for Overalls jackets hats and cloths made from cotton or mixed fibres Note Pre washing will help to remove coarse soiling Use a detergent with enzymes for the pre wash Select the Flour programme for heavy soiling Additional option Pre wash Detergent Universal det...

Page 31: ...cold to 30 C Max load 2 0 kg Use for Lightly soiled capes made from synthetic fibres Detergent Liquid detergent for delicates Thermal disinfection 15min 85 C Max load 6 5 kg Use for Cotton linen and mixed fibre fabrics Additional option Pre wash Detergent Specially formulated detergent containing bleach Chem Therm Dis 20min 60 C Max load 6 5 kg Chemo thermal disinfection Use for Workwear or items ...

Page 32: ...Woollens c 2 L L Quick wash d a 2 L L Shirts a 2 L Starch 1 L Pillows2 a 3 L Outerwear b e 3 L3 L Proofing 1 L L Separate rinse e 2 L Denim a 3 L Dark garments a 3 L L Intensive wash d a 2 L L Flour1 d a 2 34 L L Grease and fat1 d a 3 L L Towels d a 2 L L Capes b 2 L Thermal disinfection a 2 L L Chem Therm Dis a 2 L L See the following pages for the meanings of the symbols and more information abo...

Page 33: ...he stage the programme has reached Special features in the programme sequences Anti crease At the end of the programme the drum continues to turn at intervals for up to 30 minutes to help prevent creasing The door can be opened and items removed at any time during the anti crease phase Exception Anti crease does not operate on the Woollens programme 1 Pre rinse A pre rinse without detergent is car...

Page 34: ...sage shown in the display and then press the Start button To alter a programme To alter a wash programme After the start of a programme it is not possible to select a different programme You will need to cancel the current programme before you can select a new one To alter the temperature With some programmes it is possible to select a different temperature up to 5 minutes after the programme has ...

Page 35: ...f laundry is added or removed after the start of a programme the machine will always complete the programme cycle assuming a full load which can lead to an increase in the programme duration shown in the display The door cannot be opened if the suds temperature is above 50 C the water is above a certain level the programme has reached the Final spin stage You will not be able to change or cancel t...

Page 36: ...be washed using a detergent specifically designed for washing woollens Instructions for use and recommended amounts for a full load are given on the detergent packaging Liquid detergent should be dispensed using a ball provided by the manufacturer for programmes without a pre wash The right amount to dispense will depend on the following The soiling level of the laundry Lightly soiled No visible d...

Page 37: ...tergent and then the water softener Use a quantity of detergent as for soft water Washing with several components If you wash using several components e g special application detergents we recommend always dispensing the agents into compartment j in the following order 1 Detergent 2 Water softeners 3 Stain remover This way the agents are distributed more evenly Detergent 37 ...

Page 38: ...nd fabric conditioner channel regularly See Cleaning the detergent dispenser drawer Do not use powder starch formulations or viscous liquid starch in the compartment as it will clog up See below Adding fabric conditioner or liquid starch separately Add fabric conditioner or liquid starch to compartment Select the Separate rinse programme Press the Start button Adding starch separately Prepare the ...

Page 39: ...ontainers must be filled with the correct detergent or additive in the order specified Do not use any detergents or additives containing chloride or acids Prewash Main wash Fabric conditioner Finishing agent Basic programmes Cottons R 1 R 2 R 4 Minimum iron R 1 R 2 R 4 Delicates R 3 R 3 R 4 Towelling R 1 R 2 R 4 Table linen R 1 R 2 R 4 Bed linen R 1 R 2 R 4 Curtains R 3 R 3 R 4 Cottons Eco R 1 R 2...

Page 40: ...1 R 2 R 4 Flour R 1 R 2 R 4 Grease and fat R 1 R 2 R 4 Grease and fat R 1 R 2 R 4 Towels R 2 R 4 Towels R 1 R 2 R 4 Capes R 2 R 4 Thermal disinfection R 1 R 2 R 4 Chemo thermal R 1 R 2 R 4 R 1 Relay 1 Pre wash detergent R 2 Relay 2 Main wash detergent or bleach disinfectant R 3 Relay 3 Liquid detergent for delicates R 4 Relay 4 Fabric conditioner or proofing agent The additional agent is dispensed...

Page 41: ...s steel components can be cleaned using a suitable proprietary stainless steel cleaning agent following the manufacturer s instructions on the packaging Cleaning the detergent dispenser drawer Remove detergent residues regularly Pull out the detergent dispenser drawer until a resistance is felt Press down the release catch and at the same time pull the drawer right out of the machine Clean the dra...

Page 42: ...using The machine must not be hosed down Cleaning the drum suds container and drainage system The drum suds container and drainage system can be cleaned if necessary Run a programme of at least 60 C with a small quantity of powder detergent but without any laundry At the end of the programme check the inner drum and remove any coarse residues Cleaning and care 42 ...

Page 43: ...seal 1 from the recess Using pointed pliers take hold of the plastic filter bar 2 and remove Clean the plastic filter Put the filter and seal back in the reverse order and reconnect the hose Turn on the stopcock and check the connection is watertight If water drips out tighten the connection To clean the filter in the water inlet valve Using pliers carefully loosen the ribbed plastic nut on the in...

Page 44: ... liable for unauthorised work The programme does not start Problem Possible cause Remedy The display remains dark and the programme selector is not lit up There is no power to the machine Check whether the electricity supply to the machine is switched on the fuse or circuit breaker has tripped The programme does not start when Drain Spin has been selected The machine has not been prepared for usin...

Page 45: ...ock is opened wide enough the inlet hose is kinked o Waterproof system has reacted The water protection system has reacted Close the stopcock Call the Service Department Technical fault Call Service There is a fault Start the programme again If the fault message appears again contact the Service Department Fault Disinfection temp not reached During the disinfection programme the water temperature ...

Page 46: ...ters in the water inlets Powder detergent used in conjunction with water softeners tends to become sticky In future add washing powder into the dispenser drawer first and then add the water softener Fabric conditioner is not completely dispensed or too much water remains in the compartment The siphon tube is not correctly positioned or is clogged up Clean the siphon see Cleaning and care Cleaning ...

Page 47: ...gent Before washing the next load run a Cottons 60 C programme with powder detergent but without a load White residues which look like powder detergent are seen on dark textiles after washing The detergent contained compounds zeolites to aid water softening which are not soluble in water They have ended up on the laundry Try and brush off the residues with a soft brush once the laundry is dry Wash...

Page 48: ...drum and the machine is unable to drain The drainage system may be blocked Clean the drainage system as described in the next section For safety reasons the drum door cannot be opened if the suds temperature is higher than 50 C To continue a programme after an interruption to the power supply Possible cause Remedy Power cut Once power has been restored switch the machine on with the K button to co...

Page 49: ...gged a large amount of water will be retained in the machine up to 30 litres Caution if laundry has been washed at a high temperature water draining out of the machine will still be hot Danger of scalding Place a suitable container under the access flap When draining water from the machine do not unscrew the drain filter completely or take it right out Unscrew the drain filter lid until water runs...

Page 50: ...there is a risk of water leakage during use To avoid loss of detergent pour approx 2 litres of water into the detergent dispenser drawer after cleaning the drain filter Excess water will be pumped out automatically before the next wash programme Opening the drum door Always make sure that the drum is stationary before reaching into the machine to remove laundry Reaching into a moving drum is extre...

Page 51: ...more water runs out Opening the drum door Always make sure that the drum is stationary before reaching into the machine to remove laundry Reaching into a moving drum is extremely dangerous Use a spoon handle to pull the emergency release downwards see arrow The drum door will open Problem solving guide 51 ...

Page 52: ...ill be applied for unnecessary service visits where the problem could have been resolved as described in these instructions PC Optical interface The indicator or check light marked PC on the fascia panel is the interface used by Miele service technicians during servicing work for testing purposes and for updating the machine s programme data Optional accessories Optional accessories for this washe...

Page 53: ...lectrical connection dControl panel eDetergent dispenser drawer fDrum door gAccess to drain filter drain pump or dump valve and emergency release hHeight adjustable feet iPlinth jFixing bracket for installing on a concrete plinth Installation and connection 53 ...

Page 54: ...s when removed bMains connection cable cSafety cap for transit bars dInlet hose cold water eInlet hose hot water fDrain hose for drain pump gDrain pipe optional accessory for machines with a dump valve hHeight adjustable feet Installation and connection 54 ...

Page 55: ...pened For this reason it must not be connected to devices such as timers which would switch it off automatically Please place the sticker supplied with the following text near your machine The machine must be permanently connected to the electricity supply so that the door can be opened Do not open by force Do not install the machine near or directly above an open gully or floor drain Moisture fro...

Page 56: ...stalling on a wooden joist floor We recommend a plywood base at least 70 x 60 x 3 cm The base should span several joists and be bolted to the joists and not only to the floorboards Check for the presence of pipes and cables first If possible install the machine in a corner as this is usually the most stable part of the floor Removing the transit bars These must be removed before the machine is use...

Page 57: ...sit bar 90 then withdraw the transit bar To avoid the risk of injury the holes for the transit bars must be covered after they have been removed Fit the covers onto the two holes Then plug the holes as shown with the caps Installation and connection 57 ...

Page 58: ...t by reversing the procedure Levelling the machine The machine must stand perfectly level on all four feet to ensure safe and proper operation Incorrect installation may increase electricity and water consumption and may cause the machine to move about Screwing out and adjusting the feet The four adjustable screw feet are used to level the machine All four feet are screwed in when the machine is d...

Page 59: ...housing All four counter nuts must sit firmly up against the housing Please also check this for the feet which did not need adjustment Otherwise there is the danger of the machine moving about Securing the machine to prevent it slipping Secure both front feet on the washing machine using the fixing brackets supplied Follow the fitting instructions supplied Installation and connection 59 ...

Page 60: ...h The washer extractor can be installed on a steel plinth open or closed available as an optional Miele accessory or on a concrete plinth If the machine is installed on a plinth it must be secured using the fixing brackets supplied with the machine Otherwise there is the danger of the machine moving and falling off the plinth during spinning Payment system This washer extractor can be fitted with ...

Page 61: ...s for connection to a cold or a hot and cold water supply Connection to the cold water supply The cold water inlet hose blue stripes must be connected to the on site cold water supply via a 3 4 threaded union It is not suitable for connection to a hot water supply The connection point is subject to mains water pressure Turn on the stopcock slowly and check for leaks Correct the position of the was...

Page 62: ...ons apply as for cold water connection The inlet hose with the red stripes hot water hose is connected to the stopcock For operational reasons the machine must not be connected to hot water only If the machine is not connected to a hot water supply the water settings for the main wash pre wash and rinses must be re programmed and the hot water inlet hose must be detached Go to the Settings menu Su...

Page 63: ...in hose must not be kinked as this restricts drainage The swivel elbow at the end of the hose can be turned in either direction or can be detached if required with a sharp twist and pull Drain hose connection 1 Connected securely to a plastic drain pipe with a rubber nipple There is no need to use a non return valve 2 Connected securely to a standpipe 3 Connected securely to a floor gully If requi...

Page 64: ...he machine by a 30 mA residual current device RCD An electrical safety test must be carried out after installation and after any ser vice work The mains connection cable may only be replaced by an original Miele spare part If the machine is disconnected from the electricity supply adequate measures must be taken to ensure that the machine cannot be reconnected to the electricity supply until all w...

Page 65: ...This device is intended for connection to the power supply with Earth Fault Loop impedance Zs not exceeding 0 38 Ohms If in doubt please contact your electricity supplier or a qualified electrician for advice Installation and connection 65 ...

Page 66: ...rating See data plate Emission sound pressure level in accordance with EN ISO 11204 11203 70 dB re 20 µPa Minimum water flow pressure 100 kPa 1 bar Maximum water flow pressure 1000 kPa 10 bar Inlet hose length 1 55 m Mains connection cable length 1 80 m Max delivery head drain pump version 1 00 m LEDs Class 1 Product safety standard EN 10472 EN 60335 Test certificates awarded See data plate Techni...

Page 67: ...or will depend on how the machine has been programmed Some settings are visible and can be changed by all operators via the Settings menu J All settings can be locked to prevent unauthorised access They are then only accessible under Settings Supervisor level by entering an access code Please speak to the Miele Service Department for details 67 ...

Page 68: ...isplay will return to the entry menu Language J The display can be set to appear in one of several different languages You can select one of the languages displayed via the Languages sub menu The flag after the word Language acts as a guide to prevent a language which will not be understood from being set A tick will appear beside the language to show that it has been set The different language se...

Page 69: ...nter a 3 figure code The code is set at 000 at the factory 0 0 0 0 _ _ Enter code Use the button to enter the first number Confirm your selection of this number by pressing the OK button Now enter the second digit Repeat the process until all three numbers have been entered After the last number has been entered press the OK button The following will appear in the display W Entry OK Menu opened Yo...

Page 70: ... The machine is delivered with Suds cooling activated Time of day First select either a 24 hour or 12 hour clock or not to have a clock displayed at all Then set the current time of day If you select the Time not displayed option the delay start function can only be used as a 24 hour timer i e the display will show how many hours until the start but not the current time of day To select a 24 hour ...

Page 71: ...hine is delivered with the display brightness on Setting 5 The display brightness will change as soon as a different setting is chosen Standby Display To save energy the display goes out after 10 minutes and the Start button flashes slowly Turning the programme selector or pressing a button switches the display back on again There are three options On Standby comes on if a programme is not selecte...

Page 72: ...ter can only be only taken in if the wash temperature is above 30 C The machine is delivered with the Hot water option selected Main wash water You can choose for the main wash to be carried out with either hot or cold water not available with the Woollens and Curtains programmes Hot water can only be only taken in if the wash temperature is above 30 C The machine is delivered with the Hot water o...

Page 73: ...trolled according to the programme data which has been programmed on site Temperature pre wash You can choose the temperature you want the pre wash to be carried out at in the Cottons and Grease and fat programme The machine is delivered with the Block parameters option selected the temperature will be controlled according to the programme data which has been programmed on site Pre wash duration Y...

Page 74: ...The Intensive wash and Hygiene programmes are available in addition to those listed under option 1 The Hygiene programme only appears in the display when the Hygiene setting is switched on at the same time 3 Bakers The Flour Flour and Grease and fat programmes are available in addition to those listed under option 1 4 Butchers The Grease and fat and Grease and fat programmes are available in addit...

Page 75: ...he laundry at the end of the cycle as it may still feel hot The machine is delivered with this option deactivated Pre rinse Cottons A pre rinse can be carried out in the Cottons programme The machine is delivered with this option deactivated Pre rinse Minimum iron A pre rinse can be carried out in the Minimum iron programme The machine is delivered with this option deactivated Spin free of charge ...

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