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Troubleshooting Guide

The RM7895A flame safeguard is equipped with five LEDs to aid in the diagnosis of burner operation and problems. In
addition, a Keyboard Display Module is available and is a valuable aid for indicating flame signal DC volts, fault messages,
sequence status, etc. See “Flame Safeguard (RM7895A)” for additional information on the Keyboard Display Module and for a
description of the function of the LEDs. Some of the steps listed in this troubleshooting chart will be unnecessary if a Keyboard
Display Module is used, as that module will pinpoint many problems.

BURNER MOTOR DOES NOT RUN  (AFTER 10 SECOND “INITIATE” PERIOD AND WITH SWITCH AT AUTO):

1.1 Power LED is off.

a. Power is not getting to burner.

1.2 Entire unit seems to be off.

a. Burner power comes from the main control panel which has a main disconnect switch, a stepdown transformer with

primary winding fuses, a 120V secondary winding fuse, and an on-off service switch. If any of these were open, the

burner as well as the supply fan would be inoperative. The control system also has firestat type temperature sensors

which will shut down the entire unit if supply or return air temperatures exceed set points. On some control systems

the firestats only lock out the supply and return fans. Check main control schematic as these would not be burner

problems.

1.3 Supply fan will operate.

a. Check the manual reset limit control located between the filters and the supply fan and reset if required.

b. Check that the control system has energized relay R20 located in the burner control box.

1.4 Power LED is on.

a. Push the reset button on the flame safeguard.

1.5 Resetting flame safeguard

a. Push the reset button on the burner motor. (Note: If motor is hot and probably tripped, it has to cool sufficiently

does not start motor after

before it can be reset.)

the 10 second “Initiate”

b. Test for line voltage across burner terminal 8 and NB. If powered, the problem is with the burner motor or its associated

period is completed.

controls. On Models 1100-2000, terminal 8 only controls a contactor and burner motor power comes from its own

circuit breaker. If terminal 8 is dead, check for power across terminals 1 and NB.

c. IF VOLTAGE IS ZERO: The power is being interrupted by the limit control, the manual reset high or auto reset low

gas pressure switches (if included), or relay contacts  (R20). Consult the schematic and determine the interruption.

d. If voltage is satisfactory across terminals 1 and NB and terminal 8 does not become energized after 10 seconds, and

pressing the safety reset button has no effect, replace the RM7895A.

BURNER MOTOR RUNS, BUT . . .

2.1 Burner motor runs

a. Switch LS2 is not being actuated by the collar on the control rod when at the maximum rate position.

valve actuator travels to the

b. The air proving switch AS is not sensing burner fan pressure. Check the connecting tube, setpoint, and wiring.

maximum rate position and

If LS2 and AS are functioning, 120 volts can be measured across terminals 7 and L2 on the flame safeguard

stays there, the Keyboard

when the burner fan is running.

Display Module indicates

"Purge Hold".

2.2 Burner motor runs, valve

a. Timer TD10 is not 'making' after 20 seconds. Check that there is 120 volts on TD10 tab 1 when the actuator is at

actuator travels to the

the maximum rate position. TD10 tab 2 should become energized 20 seconds after tab 1 is powered.

maximum rate poistion and

b. Relay R21 is not being energized by TD10, check for power across C1 and C2 after TD10 has become energized

and replace R21 if indicated.

stays there, the Keyboard

Display Module goes

through the prepurge

ountdown. At approxi-

mately 20 seconds, Relay

(R21) does not energize.

2.3 Burner motor runs, pre-

a. Flame is not igniting or is not being detected by the flame safeguard. Check that the manual gas valves are open.

purge appears normal,

Check for manifold pressure at Tap (1), Figure 16, during the 10 seconds the LED marked Pilot is on:

LED marked PILOT comes

1. If zero, verify that there is pressure at Tap (2), Figure 16, during the same 10 second period. If so, check

on for 10 seconds, then

that LS1 is being actuated by the collar on the control rod when at the low fire position. Check that the manual

the flame safeguard locks

knob on GV1 is not closed and power is supplied to valve.

out on flame failure.

2. If manifold pressure is normal, check for disconnected or shorted flame rod or ignition lead wire. Watch the

ignition attempt through inspection window on burner and check that spark is in the appropriate location. If not,

this indicates a short. If flame is bserved but not detected by the flame safeguard, remove the burner gun

assembly and check the flame rod, lead wire, and connections.

3. Check the flame safeguard with a flame simulator:

a. Close main gas test cock.

b. Plug the flame simulator into the flame safeguard.

c. When the LED marked PILOT comes on, touch the simulator G post to ground. If the LED marked FLAME now

 comes on, the flame safeguard is working, but it is not receiving an adequate flame signal. If the LED marked

 FLAME did not come on, replace the R7847A amplifier and/or the RM7895A flame safeguard.

4. If there is spark but no flame, check for faults that would cause way too much air or too little gas.

BURNER MOTOR RUNS, FLAME IGNITES . . .

3.1 Burner motor starts, a

a. The flame is momentarily proving itself to the flame safeguard. It must be proven at the end of the 10 second trial for

normal prepurge cycle

ignition period.

occurs, the LED marked

b. On a new start-up, this could indicate the gas lines have not been sufficiently purged of air.

FLAME comes on

c. Improper flame rod position.

momentarily and then

d. Defective or improperly installed pressure regulator that passes enough gas during the off cycle to build up pressure

goes out.

for light off but when the valve opens quickly drops pressure.

3.2 Burner ignites, the flame

a. The temperature control system has contacts that turn the burner on and separate contacts that control firing rate.

safeguard does not lock

Verify that the contacts that control firing rate are calling for an increase rate.

out but the burner remains

b. Verify that Relay R23 is functioning properly.

at the minimum rate.

Summary of Contents for IM 685

Page 1: ...Gas Fired Furnace on McQuay Applied Rooftop Systems HT A with RM7895A Flame Safeguard Installation Maintenance Manual IM 685 Group Applied Systems Part Number 629948Y 00 Date March 1998 1998 McQuay I...

Page 2: ...nty failure state the date of installation of the unit and the date of failure along with an explanation of the malfunctions and the description of the replacement parts required Parts are warranted f...

Page 3: ...ssembly and requires no additional chimney flue pipe Breidert cap draft inducer etc Factory Mounting This burner and gas train has been installed and wired at the factory See Gas Piping Also note that...

Page 4: ...the outside of the tube See Figure 1 Also apply a bead of high temperature silicone to seal both sides to the bottom of the flue box wrapper being careful not to obstruct the square drain holes in eac...

Page 5: ...e burner is shown in Table 5 under Column 13 thru 15 Gas piping must be sized to provide the minimum required pressure at the burner when the burner is operating at maximum input Consult the appropria...

Page 6: ...20 92 190 350 730 1100 2100 3300 5900 12000 30 73 152 285 590 890 1650 2700 4700 9700 40 63 130 245 500 760 1450 2300 4100 8300 50 56 115 215 440 670 1270 2000 3600 7400 60 50 105 195 400 610 1150 18...

Page 7: ...s to avoid interference with swinging of doors etc Through the Curb Piping Models 020 thru 140 1 Remove bottom access panel See Figure 3c 2 Remove knockout and make an opening through bottom deck dire...

Page 8: ...re only a connection to the supply gas line The manual shutoff valve is located within the burner vestibule If local codes require a manual shutoff valve that is accessible from outside the unit that...

Page 9: ...tc 2 Review the equipment and service literature and become familiar with the location and purpose of the burner controls Determine where the gas and power can be turned off at the unit and upstream o...

Page 10: ...electric gas valve in the line Open the gas line cocks upstream from there and bleed the gas line of all air Replace the 1 8 inch pipe plug 7 Leak check Using a rich soap water mixture and a brush ch...

Page 11: ...until after a period of main flame operation has further purged the gas lines before trying to adjust out something that may actually be caused by air in the lines Modulate Firing Rates Set the tempe...

Page 12: ...he flame safeguard FSG Upon a call for heat the control system will close OBA3 thus energizing relay R20 When 120 volt power is furnished through the system on off switch S1 through the burner on off...

Page 13: ...flame rod FD at the completion of the 10 second trial for ignition period terminal 10 ignition transformer IT will be de energized and terminal 9 relay coil R23 and main gas valves GV4 etc will be ene...

Page 14: ...history It can be mounted to the RM7895A and will retrieve information on the six most recent faults Consult the Honeywell bulletin 65 0090 1 7800 Series Keyboard Display Module and 65 0118 1 7800 Ser...

Page 15: ...e RM7895A which are energized to indicate operation as follows POWER The RM7895A is powered PILOT The prepurge period is complete and the terminal for the start combination gas control is powered FLAM...

Page 16: ...rly careful to correctly reinsert the air tube into the grommeted hole The tube should slip into the grommet so there is little leakage but it should not bear down on it or it can cause binding on the...

Page 17: ...ure is not an option the following discussion on the High Pressure Regulator would still apply High Pressure Regulator If a high pressure regulator is included as part of the burner gas train or is in...

Page 18: ...et that connects the air and gas valves must be correctly positioned on the control rod such that the bracket will be firmly held under tension against its stop when the actuator is in the minimum rat...

Page 19: ...of 2000 feet and higher the gas burner must be derated 4 for every 1000 feet of altitude Example Model HT080 at an altitude of 3000 feet is derated 0 04 x 3 0 12 At 1000 mbh input 1000 x 0 12 120 mbh...

Page 20: ...e adjusted to the flow rate used for this procedure is too high and must be reduced by repositioning the actuator to a lower firing rate or the gas supply line pressure is too low After adjusting valv...

Page 21: ...will be diluted with outside air and lower readings will result If flue gas temperature is to be measured this must be done in the flue box not in the tube The temperature gradient within the tubes w...

Page 22: ...bulator in each tube approximately flush with the tube end locking them in place with the wedge clips on each turbulator 8 Reinstall flue box front wrap Figure 14 Models 020 thru 025 Heat Exchanger Le...

Page 23: ...Rate 2 Control Failure The limit control does not function properly to shut off the burner when the heat exchanger temperature becomes excessive In most situations a properly controlled unit will nev...

Page 24: ...condensate However suitable steps should be taken to manage the flow of the condensate produced Most condensate will be produced in the secondary tubes where flue gas will sweep it into the flue box C...

Page 25: ...eyboard display module or a DC voltmeter Twice Yearly 1 Burner Air Check burner fan wheel for dirt build up and lint Check combustion air intake louver and flue box for dirt buildup and accumulation o...

Page 26: ...als 7 and L2 on the flame safeguard stays there the Keyboard when the burner fan is running Display Module indicates Purge Hold 2 2 Burner motor runs valve a Timer TD10 is not making after 20 seconds...

Page 27: ...ressure will build up on the downstream side thus exceeding the rating of the gas train components b Undersized piping can also cause problems by delivering reduced pressure during times of maximum de...

Page 28: ...64148A 04 040 Burner Gun Assembly 1 964148A 05 050 Burner Gun Assembly 1 964148A 06 064 065 Burner Gun Assembly 1 964148A 08 079 080 Burner Gun Assembly 1 964148A 10 100 Burner Gun Assembly 1 964148A...

Page 29: ...N n i M M F C x a M R T F g e D g n i r u D e g r u p e r P e t a R x a M r e n r u B g n i t a r e p O e t a R x a M g n i r u D e g r u p e r P e t a R x a M x a M e t a R n i M e t a R 5 e t o N 5...

Page 30: ...T t n e i b m A F g e D e r u t a r e p m e T s a G e u l F t n e c r e p 2 O C M P P O C C W n I x o B n i e r u s s e r P r i A Flue Gas Flue Gas s t n e m m o C y n a e z i r a m m u S k r o w e c...

Page 31: ...IM 685 Page 31 Notes...

Page 32: ...13600 Industrial Park Boulevard P O Box 1551 Minneapolis MN 55440 USA 612 553 5330...

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