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TST 

Assembly instructions 

FUF2 / FU3F -A/-C/-F

 

FEIG ELECTRONIC GmbH 

page 97 of 114

 

TST_FUxF-A-C-F_Montageanleitung_EN_15 

No. 

Description 

Possible reason for error 

F.969 

Internal real time clock error 

• The clock has an error → Check battery, possibly empty. Make time and date 

settings again. 

F.970 

Plausibility parameter block error 

• New EPROM version

 

• Controller not yet initialized

 

• Some parameter is 

implausible 

 

Summary of Contents for TST FU3F Series

Page 1: ...tre observ es strictement NL LET OP BELANGRIJKE VEILIGHEIDSINSTRUCTIES Volg de instructies op pagina 2 van deze montagehandleiding op IT ATTENZIONE INDICAZIONI SULLA SICUREZZA IMPORTANTI Prestare atte...

Page 2: ...passe feig NL LET OP BELANGRIJKE VEILIGHEIDSINSTRUCTIES Voor de veiligheid van personen is het belangrijk om deze aanwijzingen op te volgen Deze aanwijzingen dienen bewaard te worden Deze montagehandl...

Page 3: ...TST Assembly instructions FUF2 FU3F A C F FEIG ELECTRONIC GmbH Page 3 of 114 TST_FUxF A C F_Montageanleitung_EN_15 1 2 3 Download feig...

Page 4: ...functions and provides no warranty of properties Additional functions and descriptions for individual door functions as well as more precise specifications for the controller and hazard warnings are a...

Page 5: ...G xSXG Stainless steel xEG xEGG xEXG Hygiene xHZ xHY The abbreviations used in these operating instructions e g A C refer to the variants of the door controller Information on the operating instructio...

Page 6: ...4 1 Version without housing TST FUxF xPR 18 4 1 1 Dimensions of the drilling s in the mounting frame 18 4 1 2 Required free space in plastic and steel housing 19 4 1 3 Mounting the control electronics...

Page 7: ...B 46 5 5 2 Connection of the TST LGB 47 5 6 Limit switch connection 48 5 6 1 Absolute encoder TST PE or TST PE FSB with WICAB system 48 5 6 2 Absolute encoder TST PD 49 5 6 3 Absolute encoder DES 50 5...

Page 8: ...data 70 9 Commissioning 71 9 1 with absolute encoder or incremental encoder 72 9 2 with mechanical limit switches 73 9 3 with light curtain TST LGB 74 9 4 New request for teach in of the end positions...

Page 9: ...ring pull in protection etc Evaluation of additional safety equipment on the door e g photo eyes light curtains etc Evaluation of control circuits at the door e g pull switch radio inductive loops etc...

Page 10: ...EN 50110 EN 60204 EN 60335 inc part 103 the fire protection regulations accident prevention regulations and the applicable regulations for industrial doors EN12453 EN12978 and machine safety EN ISO 1...

Page 11: ...sk Operating company The operating company is in possession of the controller and is responsible for ensuring its intended use It is to ensure that all persons performing tasks on the controller have...

Page 12: ...e manufacturer is involved in the design and production of a partly completed machine and accepts responsibility for conformity of the machine part with the directive Design Production Disposal Distri...

Page 13: ...he Directive was obtained The following information describes standard applications that may not necessarily match the actual application The actual application is provided by the manufacturer of the...

Page 14: ...checked and inspected the hardware and software but no warranty is given for a complete absence of errors Dispose of the product at the end of its life cycle in accordance with the applicable statutor...

Page 15: ...example the testing is described using a transmitter receiver light barrier The transmitter is supplied with 24 V via a test output In a test case the output is switched off so that the transmitter is...

Page 16: ...EE plug except when the supply voltage can be cut all poles by an installed main switch The main switch and the CEE plug must be within easy reach A not rotating motor is no indication of the galvanic...

Page 17: ...ELECTRONIC GmbH Page 17 of 114 TST_FUxF A C F_Montageanleitung_EN_15 Should cooling not be sufficient an additional heat sink may be inserted between the controllers housing and the additional housing...

Page 18: ...ard variants Two safety clips for transport security in the housing Two sliders as quick release fasteners for the mounting adapter An EMC bracket as spacer and grounding of the motor shield in steel...

Page 19: ...and steel housing The dimensions for the internal distances include all expansion boards Figure 2 Bottom view Figure 3 Side view Table 2 Minimum distances to housing walls Pos Steel housing Plastic h...

Page 20: ...CTRONIC GmbH Page 20 of 114 TST_FUxF A C F_Montageanleitung_EN_15 4 1 3 Mounting the control electronics with mounting holes Before mounting the circuit board with the mounting holes the quick fastene...

Page 21: ...ng_EN_15 4 2 Version in plastic housing TST FUxF xH The plastic version of the control consists of the mounting frame incl printed circuit board which is inserted into the housing The housing has the...

Page 22: ...xF A C F_Montageanleitung_EN_15 4 3 Variants in steel or stainless steel housings Steel and stainless steel housing variants are also available The housing has the following dimensions 4 3 1 300 x 400...

Page 23: ...ly instructions FUF2 FU3F A C F FEIG ELECTRONIC GmbH Page 23 of 114 TST_FUxF A C F_Montageanleitung_EN_15 4 3 2 400 x 600 mm TST FUxF xSGG FUxF xEGG 400 355 600 640 T 200 Figure 6 400 x 600 housing Ty...

Page 24: ...ly instructions FUF2 FU3F A C F FEIG ELECTRONIC GmbH Page 24 of 114 TST_FUxF A C F_Montageanleitung_EN_15 4 3 3 600 x 600 mm TST FUxF xSXG FUxF xEXG 600 555 640 600 T 200 Figure 7 600 x 600 housing Ty...

Page 25: ...TST Assembly instructions FUF2 FU3F A C F FEIG ELECTRONIC GmbH Page 25 of 114 TST_FUxF A C F_Montageanleitung_EN_15 4 4 Hygiene housing variant TST FUxF xHZ Abbildung 8 Hygiene housing Typ HZ...

Page 26: ...embly instructions FUF2 FU3F A C F FEIG ELECTRONIC GmbH Page 26 of 114 TST_FUxF A C F_Montageanleitung_EN_15 4 5 Hygiene housing variant TST FUxF xHY 420 390 549 350 T 227 444 Figure 9 Hygiene housing...

Page 27: ...re exemplary Other housing variants may differ Fig 1 Board variant on the mounting adapter Position Description A Safety clips for transport B Mounting adapter for the board variant C Slider for fixin...

Page 28: ...TST Assembly instructions FUF2 FU3F A C F FEIG ELECTRONIC GmbH Page 28 of 114 TST_FUxF A C F_Montageanleitung_EN_15 Remove safety clips A from mounting adapter B Unlock slider C on the boad variant...

Page 29: ...FEIG ELECTRONIC GmbH Page 29 of 114 TST_FUxF A C F_Montageanleitung_EN_15 Insert the board variant into the mounting adapter B Insert the top side first into the retaining brackets and then press it i...

Page 30: ...ctions FUF2 FU3F A C F FEIG ELECTRONIC GmbH Page 30 of 114 TST_FUxF A C F_Montageanleitung_EN_15 Press safety clips A under the sliders C Then press them into the holder of mounting adapter B until th...

Page 31: ...in the DC bus capacitors for up to five minutes after power has been turned off The discharge time until voltages fall below 60 VDC is a maximum of 5 minutes Touching internal controller components wi...

Page 32: ...er side and without any additional connections in the line Maximum cable length 30 m Fast running plastic foil doors may produce very high electrostatic charges A discharge of these voltages may damag...

Page 33: ...IC GmbH Page 33 of 114 TST_FUxF A C F_Montageanleitung_EN_15 5 1 Power supply connection The illustrations are exemplary Steel and stainless steel housings may differ 5 1 1 TST FUF2 PE N L PE N L fuse...

Page 34: ...FU3F A C F FEIG ELECTRONIC GmbH Page 34 of 114 TST_FUxF A C F_Montageanleitung_EN_15 5 1 2 TST FU3F PE N L1 Fuse 16A K Typ L2 L3 L1 L2 L3 PE PE N L1 L2 L3 N Figure 11 Connecting the power cable TST FU...

Page 35: ...bracket 5 2 1 TST FUF2 3 M W V U PE T3 T2 T1 AC PE PE PE Jumper Connection example brake according to open circuit current control line including brake connection and limit switch connection Shielding...

Page 36: ...pression We recommend the use of RC elements for interference suppression purposes We recommend for a motor cable length of approx 15 m the usage of a motor cable of a leakage capacitance wire shield...

Page 37: ...22 Split ferrite 742 717 22 S Figure 13 Motor connection When connecting the motor cable the enclosed split ferrite grey W rth number 742 727 22 must be placed around the three wires T1 T2 T3 For vari...

Page 38: ...interference suppression purposes We recommend for a motor cable length of approx 10 m the usage of a motor cable of a leakage capacitance wire shield of up to or less than 150 pF m If the Earth Leaka...

Page 39: ...PE W V U Brake 24V 2 5A with brake current monitoring PE control line including brake connection and limit switch connection Shielding of the motor cable Shielding of the motor cable T1 T2 T3 Figure 1...

Page 40: ...the door controller is switched on it will be recognized automatically If no safety edge is connected automatic closing of the door is not possible Use of additional types of safety edges is possible...

Page 41: ...on of an optical safety edge Spiral cable Junction box 41 42 Slack rope switch optional slip door brown white Receiver Transmitter green 45 44 43 42 41 Figure 15 Connection of an optical safety edge I...

Page 42: ...piral cable Junction box 8K2 43 44 41 42 Slack rope switch optional slip door brown white Outside white Inside brown Figure 16 Connection of an electrical resistance safety edge If the safety edge typ...

Page 43: ...n this respect 5 4 1 Connect the optical safety edge at input 10 61 62 63 64 65 66 Spiral cable Junction box brown white Receiver Transmitter green Figure 17 Connection of an optical safety edge In or...

Page 44: ...function of this input must first be determined For this purpose parameters P 50A is used For the setting refer to the parameter list in chapter input profiles Typically this input is used as safety i...

Page 45: ...input 10 as digital input the function for this input must first be set For this purpose parameters P 50A is used For the setting refer to the parameter list in chapter input profiles In the factory...

Page 46: ...ght curtain The TST LGB also permits the automatic teach in of the end position CLOSED Optionally the TST LGB can assume other functions In these cases additional safety devices must be attached to th...

Page 47: ...2 Input 4 71 45 44 GND 43 Safety edge 42 E stop 1 41 E stop 1 36 GND 35 Channel B 34 Channel A 33 12V 32 E stop 2 31 E stop 2 94 93 92 91 GND GND GND GND Input 5 24V Input 6 Input 7 Input 11 24V Input...

Page 48: ...coder terminal 33 36 as close as possible to the door controller around the complete motor cable The black split ferrite is not included in the scope of delivery 5 6 1 Absolute encoder TST PE or TST P...

Page 49: ...shaft The driving shaft may execute more than a single revolution This encoder may also be equipped with the WICAB radio system to transfer the status of the safety edge without a spiral cable For thi...

Page 50: ...lease also observe the information in chapter 3 Safety functions in accordance with EN 12453 2017 on page 15 Wire 1 Emergency stop Wire 3 GND Wire 6 12 VDC Wire 2 Channel B 31 Terminal 31 Terminal 35...

Page 51: ...mbH Page 51 of 114 TST_FUxF A C F_Montageanleitung_EN_15 5 6 4 Incremental encoder Figure 25 Typical incremental encoder A B 9 0 180 Figure 26 Operation of an incremental encoder U Channel A Channel B...

Page 52: ...limit switch OPEN Crank switch Emergency stop circuit Emergency stop 2 Emergency stop 2 36 35 34 33 32 31 66 65 64 63 62 61 limit switch open input 8 24 V GND limit switch close input 9 86 85 84 83 82...

Page 53: ...ructions FUF2 FU3F A C F FEIG ELECTRONIC GmbH Page 53 of 114 TST_FUxF A C F_Montageanleitung_EN_15 5 7 Photo eye G N D 2 4 V 71 72 73 74 75 76 Receiver Photo eye 24 V Input 5 GND Figure 29 Connection...

Page 54: ...8 External triggering devices 24 V 52 51 54 53 OPEN STOP CLOSE OPEN CLOSE STOP Figure 30 Connection of external triggering devices If an external triggering device is connected no dead man s drive is...

Page 55: ...F_Montageanleitung_EN_15 5 9 Traffic light connection Flashing red traffic light lashing during door travel and during clearance time P 70x 1253 Constant green traffic light Relay active in position d...

Page 56: ...34 K1 NO K1 Com K1 NC K2 NO K2 Com K2 NC K3 NO K3 Com K3 NC 24 VDC 24 VDC OUT4 24 VDC Break 2 5 A 35 3637 green traffic light Output 28 red traffic light Output 29 GND 24 VDC Max 700 mA Figure 32 Over...

Page 57: ...Deactivatieon intermediate stop 63 GND 62 24 V 61 Input 8 Locking end CLOSE 54 Input 3 CLOSE 53 Input 2 STOP 52 Input 1 OPEN 51 24 V 45 12 V 44 GND 43 Safety edge Safety edge Closing 42 E stop 1 41 E...

Page 58: ...lots are available to expand the operation of the controller with optional plug in and expansion cards Check the electrical connection again before starting up the controller Incorrect connections may...

Page 59: ...eanleitung_EN_15 6 2 Induction loop detector TST SUVEK The Induction loop detector is available in versions TST SUVEK 1 and TST SUVEK 2 Depending on the type 1 or 2 loops may be monitored Loop 2 Loop...

Page 60: ...inductive detection of vehicles It can evaluate up to 4 inductive loops Table 3 Pin assignment VEK MNST1 2 3 4 Induction loop detector VEK MNST1 VEK MNST2 VEK MNST3 VEK MNST4 Loop channel 1 2 3 4 Con...

Page 61: ...itor TST SURA The Safety edge monitor is available in version TST SURA 1 and TST SURA 6 Depending on the type 1 or 6 safety edge may be monitored 8K2 8K2 8K2 8K2 8K2 8K2 8K2 X88 X83 Figure 37 Safety e...

Page 62: ...inputs and 6 relay outputs and one digital output with freely programmable operation In addition a 2 channel inductive loop detector and an annual timer switch as well as an additional RS 485 interfac...

Page 63: ...UxF A C F_Montageanleitung_EN_15 Figure 38 Changing the display and mounting the TST RFUxK expansion card using the TST FU3F as an example Activate the expansion board by setting the parameter P 800 t...

Page 64: ...ller PLC TST RFUxIO E for the output of power signals e g for oncoming traffic sample control The expansion board RFUxIO B E has 6 additional inputs and up to 6 relay outputs TST RFUxIO E which are fr...

Page 65: ...nput 23 photo eye 341 Input 23 photo eye 340 24 V OUT 2B 340 24 V 335 GND 335 GND 334 Input 22 cross traffic 334 Input 22 cross traffic 333 24 V OUT 11 333 24 V OUT 11 332 GND 332 GND 331 Input 21 OPE...

Page 66: ...FCOM provides an RS 485 and a CAN interface This allows connections to partner controller or to an external TST RFUxK board for example Figure 40 Interface card TST RFUxFCOM The interface card does no...

Page 67: ...se the cover Figure 41 DIP switch position The service mode is automatically reset after approx 1 hour In order to reach service mode again the controller must be turned off for a short period and the...

Page 68: ...fenhalt 1 010 10 s P Offenhalt1 010 10 s 2 or The parameter value is increased with the OPEN button and reduced with the CLOSE button If the value has not yet been saved a question mark is displayed a...

Page 69: ...neously and keep pressed for approx 3 seconds 7 5 Entry into the extended parameter configuration mode In order to reach the extended parameterization mode a password must be entered in advance The fo...

Page 70: ...r 7 Positioning system P 205 The limit switch system in use must be set using Parameter P 205 0000 Mechanical limit switches Version 1 Figure 28 Connecting cam switches 0001 Mechanical limit switches...

Page 71: ...ng the OPEN button when the controller is being turned ON This causes a direct jump to the parameter configuration mode 9 Commissioning Before starting the controller check the electrical connections...

Page 72: ...pter 9 5 if necessary check that the brake was released 3 Save by pressing the STOP key for approx 3 seconds Zur Zupos 0 bern mit 4 Move the door to the OPEN position by pressing of foil keypad OPEN a...

Page 73: ...avel past the limit switch at the limit positions 5 Press OPEN key to move the door to approx 50 cm from the opened position If the door does not move the motor lacks power With the aid of the boost p...

Page 74: ...letely If the light curtain is covered the adjacent error message will appear and the teach in of all end positions must be restarted Zur Aufpos Hindernis T75 3 Open CALIBRATE mode by briefly pressing...

Page 75: ...ose time and then opens and closes independently so long until the correction movement has been completed Tor schlie t I 515 Korr Fahrt Offenhalt xxs I515 Korr Fahrt Display that correction was comple...

Page 76: ...ror F 510 F 410 In this case the boost must be reduced If the boost is low or 0 and the motor still does not have sufficient force to move the door the boost must be increased Due to the large number...

Page 77: ...0 Pre limit switch OPEN P 232 OPENING Limit switch Close Creep speed F2 P 320 Max Opening travel speed F1 P 310 Start ramp 1 P 311 P 312 Brake ramp r2 P 321 P 322 Figure 44 Opening using frequency con...

Page 78: ...d F6 P 360 max closing travel speed F5 P 350 Figure 45 Closing using the frequency converter The frequency converter starts door movement with start ramp r5 It accelerates from 0 Hz to the max travel...

Page 79: ...omatic setting of the pre limit switch is used P 216 2 the parameters P 222 and P 232 are changed automatically The parameters are also changed if the travel speed or the slope of a ramp is changed as...

Page 80: ...ed to shift the limit positions together with the pre limit switches Changing these parameters in the positive direction results in the limit position being shifted upward Changing in the negative dir...

Page 81: ...witch increase P 229 Lower limit switch range limit switch band too small increase P 223 Mechanical brake defective or improperly set F 020 Run time exceeded during opening closing or deadman Current...

Page 82: ...le range Reference switch lies in the limit switch band Reference switch is beyond 15 EO Reference switch defective F 052 Reference switch not recognized The reference switch is not recognized within...

Page 83: ...MNST The VEK MNST detector is faulty The system must be restarted F 112 Detector VEK MNST not plugged in The VEK MNST detector slot was activated with parameter P 802 or P 803 0400 but no detector is...

Page 84: ...npaired device F 178 Motion detector 2 MWD BPC wrong customer coding customer coding of the MWD BPC is not compatible with the control unit Replace MWD BPC with unpaired or correctly paired F 17E Moti...

Page 85: ...ROM checks defective pressing the STOP button provides additional information about the cause only valid for FUS FUN FUE FU3E FU3P F 211 External emergency stop 1 triggered Emergency stop chain was in...

Page 86: ...e Jumper for termination resistor definition in wrong position Safety edge processing selected with Parameter P 470 but module not plugged in or wrong module F 374 Safety edge testing failed Pre limit...

Page 87: ...odule defective Safety edge defective F 400 Controller hardware reset detected Strong interferences on the supply voltage Internal watchdog has triggered RAM error F 401 Watchdog Error Internal Watchd...

Page 88: ...r sticks F 510 Motor DC bus overcurrent Limit 2 Wrong motor data set P 100 P 103 Non adjusted voltage increase boost set P 140 or P 145 Motor not properly dimensioned for door Door sticks F 511 No DC...

Page 89: ...wer amplifiers or the brake chopper Clock frequency of the power amplifier too high Parameter P 160 Surrounding temperature too low for operation of the controller F 535 Housing temperature high The t...

Page 90: ...r Sync error Addressing module defective Dark test fail Digital analog converter defective Watchdog not triggered or hangs Replace hardware F 617 Light curtain incompatibility Transmitter and receiver...

Page 91: ...on The tolerance band for the recognition time is to small P 239 F 752 Loss of communication with encoder Interface cable defective interrupted supply voltage 12 Volt faulty e g shortcut in spiral cab...

Page 92: ...mobile unit is defective F 802 Wrong Test of input 2 of the mobile unit TST FSx Input 2 of the mobile unit was tested wrong The device which is connected to the input does not work correctly The mobil...

Page 93: ...obile unit The device which is connected to input 1 of the mobile unit does not fit to the settings Check Parameter P F1F F 822 Wrong parameter setting input 2 of mobile unit The device which is conne...

Page 94: ...is error occurs if the mobile unit and the stationary unit of the radio control unit could not establish radio communication for at least 1 second Possible causes are No mobile unit in radio range The...

Page 95: ...means All emergency inputs from the interrupted one including all subsequent emergency inputs must be triggered if one of the subsequent emergency inputs is not triggered it must be assumed that a re...

Page 96: ...troller F 938 Logical program execution monitoring failed Program execution not working as expected environmental interference faulty software F 941 ROM Error of I O Processor ROM Error of I O Process...

Page 97: ...anleitung_EN_15 No Description Possible reason for error F 969 Internal real time clock error The clock has an error Check battery possibly empty Make time and date settings again F 970 Plausibility p...

Page 98: ...e I 180 Wait for foil key command I 185 Wait for reset by stop foil key I 199 Door counter wrong I 200 New reference position taken over I 201 Reference position new initialized I 205 Synchronisation...

Page 99: ...tion becomes available again I 856 No door movement possible I 901 Wait for USB stick I 902 The startup mode can be between 0 31 seconds depending on the configuration I 903 Can not open File I 906 Up...

Page 100: ...on the CAN or RS485 bus I A01 Poor CAN bus quality during the teach in process bad CAN BUS wiring no ferrite cores on the motor cable Incorrect CAN bus termination missing or wrongly placed terminati...

Page 101: ...ked in close position Lower limit position locked opening not possible e g airlock Eo Upper limit position Eo Locked in open position Upper limit position locked closing not possible e g Safety edge E...

Page 102: ...pper limit position reached no further deadman opening possible Hd Ao Outside open Outside of permitted Eo position no deadman opening possible Pos null Steuermodule Seitenumbruch 0 mod_1452083281983_...

Page 103: ...LCD Display text of input Terminal No Input 3 E 104 LCD Display text of input Terminal No Input 4 E 105 LCD Display text of input Terminal No Input 5 E 106 LCD Display text of input Terminal No Input...

Page 104: ...Output 3A E 13B LCD Display text of input Terminal No Input 3B E 13C LCD Display text of input Terminal No Input 3C E 13D LCD Text des Eingangs Terminal Nr Input 3D E 13E LCD Display text of input Te...

Page 105: ...Liste f r Textm arke Inhalt E 503 Loop 3 Detector channel 3 E 504 Loop 4 Detector channel 4 WiCab Inputs 7 Segment display Real text display Description E F01 LCD Text of Input Input 1 of mobile unit...

Page 106: ...cal mounting e g on a suitable masonry wall Heat sink Aluminium Screws on the cover of plastic housings 6x Phillips PZ2 stainless steel A2 Torque max 1 Nm Foil keypad X400C 3 keys Open Stop Close Main...

Page 107: ...mended cable shielded twisted pair cable in noisy environments twisted pair in normal environments Using FEIG limit switches TST PD PE parallel and e g for future I O expansions Serial port 2 Adv Door...

Page 108: ...GB USB 2 MLC 0 C to 70 C Manufacturer Atp Electronics AF4GUFNDNC I AACXX USB Stick 4GB USB 2 SLC 40 C to 85 C Manufacturer Atp Electronics Alternatively as a USB Device X401 PC communication with FEIG...

Page 109: ...ed Overload for 0 5 s 800 mA Brake 24V Out 4 X 17 33 34 24 VDC min 100 mA max 2500 mA Overload for 0 5 s 3A Electronically protected Incl Monitoring of switching behavior If the safety chain is interr...

Page 110: ...otor current depending on input voltage Observe duty cycle and temperature range 1 Continuous travel with rated current for max 60 minutes 2 for example 6 seconds drive and 4 seconds break 3 for examp...

Page 111: ...the housing Before selecting the installation site observe the requirements in the installation instructions see chapter Installation of the controller Temperature dependent reduction in the duty cycl...

Page 112: ...ety related electrical electronic and programmable electronic control systems IEC 62061 2005 Safety integrity levels SIL 1 Low Voltage Directive 2014 35 EU EN 60335 1 2012 AC 2014 A13 2017 Safety of e...

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