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Introduction

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Chapter 1. Introduction

1-1. Features & Specifications

1. CPU

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Supports AMD Socket 754 Athlon 64/Sempron Processor with 1.6GHz system bus using
Hyper Transport

™

Technology

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Supports AMD K8 CPU Cool ‘n’ Quiet Technology

2. Chipset

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NVIDIA NF3

250Gb single chip

(NF8 Pro/NF8/NF8-V Pro/NF8-V)

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NVIDIA NF3

250 single chip

(NF8-V2)

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Integrated NVIDIA Gigabit Ethernet and NVIDIA Firewall

(NF8 Pro/NF8/NF8-V Pro/NF8-V)

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Supports NV RAID

3. Memory

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Two 184-pin DIMM sockets

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Supports DDR400/333/266 non-ECC un-buffered memory

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Supports maximum memory capacity up to 2GB

4. ABIT Engineered

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ABIT SoftMenu

™

Technology

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ABIT CPU ThermalGuard

™

Technology

5. SATA NV RAID

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Serial ATA 1.5Gb/s data transfer rate

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Supports SATA RAID 0/1 JBOD

6. LAN

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NVIDIA Gigabit Ethernet Controller

(NF8 Pro/NF8/NF8-V Pro/NF8-V)

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Onboard 10/100Mb LAN

(NF8-V2)

7. IEEE 1394

(NF8 Pro/NF8)

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Supports 2 Ports IEEE 1394 at 100/200/400 Mb/s transfer rate

8. Audio

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Onboard 6-channel Audio CODEC

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Supports auto jack sensing

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Optical S/P DIF In/Out

(NF8 Pro/NF8-V Pro)

9. Internal I/O Connectors

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1x AGP 8X/4X slot

User’s Manual

Summary of Contents for NF8 Pro

Page 1: ...NF8 Series NF8 Pro NF8 NF8 V Pro NF8 V NF8 V2 Socket 754 System Board User s Manual 4200 0432 07 Rev 1 02 ...

Page 2: ...al or consequential damages arising from any defect or error in this manual or product Product names appearing in this manual are for identification purpose only and trademarks and product names or brand names appearing in this document are the property of their respective owners This document contains materials protected under International Copyright Laws All rights reserved No part of this manua...

Page 3: ...dicators Headers 2 8 5 Additional USB Port Headers 2 9 6 Additional IEEE1394 Port Headers NF8 Pro NF8 2 10 7 Wake up Header 2 11 8 Front Panel Audio Connection Header 2 12 9 Internal Audio Connectors 2 13 10 Accelerated Graphics Port Slot 2 14 11 Floppy and IDE Disk Drive Connectors 2 15 12 Serial ATA Connectors 2 16 13 Status Indicators 2 17 14 Back Panel Connectors 2 18 Chapter 3 BIOS Setup 3 1 ...

Page 4: ...hipset Driver B 1 Appendix B Install Realtek Audio Driver B 1 Appendix C Install USB 2 0 Driver C 1 Appendix D Install AMD64 Processor Driver D 1 Appendix E ABIT EQ The Hardware Doctor Utility E 1 Appendix F FlashMenu BIOS Update Utility F 1 Appendix G NF8 NVRaid Floppy Disk G 1 Appendix H Troubleshooting Need Assistance H 1 Appendix I How to Get Technical Support I 1 NF8 Series ...

Page 5: ...Memory Two 184 pin DIMM sockets Supports DDR400 333 266 non ECC un buffered memory Supports maximum memory capacity up to 2GB 4 ABIT Engineered ABIT SoftMenu Technology ABIT CPU ThermalGuard Technology 5 SATA NV RAID Serial ATA 1 5Gb s data transfer rate Supports SATA RAID 0 1 JBOD 6 LAN NVIDIA Gigabit Ethernet Controller NF8 Pro NF8 NF8 V Pro NF8 V Onboard 10 100Mb LAN NF8 V2 7 IEEE 1394 NF8 Pro ...

Page 6: ...x AUDIO1 connector Rear Left Rear Right Center Subwoofer 1x AUDIO2 connector Mic In Line In Front Left Front Right 4x USB 2 0 1x RJ 45 LAN Connector 1x IEEE 1394 Connector NF8 Pro NF8 11 Miscellaneous ATX form factor 305 x 245 mm 12 Order Information Model Features NF8 Pro NF3250Gb GbE LAN IEEE 1394 S P DIF In Out NF8 NF3250Gb GbE LAN IEEE1394 NF8 V Pro NF3250Gb GbE LAN S P DIF In Out NF8 V NF3250...

Page 7: ...Introduction 1 3 1 2 Layout Diagram NF8 Pro NF8 NF8 V Pro NF8 V User s Manual ...

Page 8: ...1 4 Chapter 1 1 3 Layout Diagram NF8 V2 NF8 Series ...

Page 9: ...he best way to attach the board is to use with studs Only if you are unable to do this should you attach the board with spacers Line up the holes on the board with the mounting holes on the chassis If the holes line up and there are screw holes you can attach the board with studs If the holes line up and there are only slots you can only attach with spacers Take the tip of the spacers and insert t...

Page 10: ...ean the heatsink surface and apply new thermal interface material first 1 Pull out the socket locking lever slightly then lift it up 2 Align the corner with triangle mark of the processor with the marking on the motherboard and then place the processor vertical down into the socket 3 Lower the locking lever to the fully locked position 4 Apply thermal interface material 5 Place the heatsink and fa...

Page 11: ...7 Turn the cam lever to lock into the retention frame 8 Attach the four pin power plug from the heatsink and fan assembly to the CPU FAN connector For detailed information on how to install your heatsink and fan assembly please refer to the instruction manual came packed with the heatsink and fan assembly you bought User s Manual ...

Page 12: ...modules 1 Locate the DIMM slot on the board 2 Hold two edges of the DIMM module carefully keep away of touching its connectors 3 Align the notch key on the module with the rib on the slot 4 Firmly press the module into the slots until the ejector tabs at both sides of the slot automatically snaps into the mounting notch Do not force the DIMM module in with extra force as the DIMM module only fit i...

Page 13: ...unplug the AC power cord before adding or removing any peripheral or component Failing to so may cause severe damage to your motherboard and or peripherals Plug in the AC power cord only after you have carefully checked everything ATX Power Input Connectors 1 This motherboard provides two power connectors to connect ATX12V power supplier NOTE This 24 pin power connector ATXPWR1 is compliant to the...

Page 14: ...wer to the cooling fans installed in your system CPUFAN1 CPU Fan Power Connector SYSFAN1 System Fan Power Connector AUXFAN1 AUXFAN2 PWRFAN1 Auxiliary Fan Power Connector WARNING These fan connectors are not jumpers DO NOT place jumper caps on these connectors NF8 Series ...

Page 15: ...o clear the CMOS memory Pin 1 2 shorted default Normal operation Pin 2 3 shorted Clear CMOS memory WARNING Turn the power off first including the 5V standby power before clearing the CMOS memory Failing to do so may cause your system to work abnormally or malfunction User s Manual ...

Page 16: ...tion will only cause the LED not lighting but a wrong connection of the switches could cause system malfunction HLED Pin 1 3 Connects to the HDD LED cable of chassis front panel RST Pin 5 7 Connects to the Reset Switch cable of chassis front panel SPKR Pin 13 15 17 19 Connects to the System Speaker cable of chassis SLED Pin 2 4 Connects to the Suspend LED cable if there is one of chassis front pan...

Page 17: ...s These headers each provide 2 additional USB 2 0 ports connection through an USB cable designed for USB 2 0 specifications Pin Pin Assignment Pin Pin Assignment 1 VCC 2 VCC 3 Data0 4 Data1 5 Data0 6 Data1 7 Ground 8 Ground 9 NC 10 NC User s Manual ...

Page 18: ...ort Headers NF8 Pro NF8 6 This header provides one additional IEEE1394 port connection through an extension cable and bracket Pin Pin Assignment Pin Pin Assignment 1 TPA0 2 TPA0 3 GND 4 GND 5 TPB0 6 TPB0 7 12V 8 12V 9 NC 10 GND NF8 Series ...

Page 19: ...at USB1 port Pin 2 3 shorted default Enable wake up function support at USB1 port USBPWR2 Pin 1 2 shorted Disable wake up function support at USB2 port Pin 2 3 shorted default Enable wake up function support at USB2 port USBPWR3 Pin 1 2 shorted Disable wake up function support at FP USB1 port Pin 2 3 shorted default Enable wake up function support at FP USB1 port USBPWR4 Pin 1 2 shorted Disable wa...

Page 20: ... front panel by the extension cable provided with the chassis To use the audio connector at rear panel disconnect the extension cable attach the jumpers back at pin 5 6 and pin 9 10 default setting Pin Pin Assignment Pin Pin Assignment 1 Audio Mic 2 Ground 3 Audio Mic Bias 4 VCC 5 Speaker Out Right Channel 6 Speaker Out Right Channel Return 7 X 8 NC 9 Speaker Out Left Channel 10 Speaker Out Left C...

Page 21: ...Hardware Setup 2 13 9 Internal Audio Connectors This connector connects to the audio output of internal CD ROM drive or add on card User s Manual ...

Page 22: ...pter 2 10 Accelerated Graphics Port Slot This slot supports an optional AGP graphics card up to AGP 8X mode ATTENTION This motherboard does not support 3 3V AGP cards Use only 1 5V or 0 8V AGP cards NF8 Series ...

Page 23: ...e FDC1 port and the floppy connector Each of the IDE port connects up to two IDE drives at Ultra ATA 100 mode by one 40 pin 80 conductor and 3 connector Ultra ATA 66 ribbon cables Connect the single end blue connector at the longer length of ribbon cable to the IDE port of this board the other two ends gray and black connector at the shorter length of the ribbon cable to the connectors of your har...

Page 24: ...2 16 Chapter 2 12 Serial ATA Connectors These connectors are provided to attach one Serial ATA device at each channel via Serial ATA cable NF8 Series ...

Page 25: ...Hardware Setup 2 17 13 Status Indicators LED1 5VSB This LED lights up when the power supply is connected with power source LED2 VCC This LED lights up when the system power is on User s Manual ...

Page 26: ...F8 Pro NF8 V Pro AUDIO1 R L R R Rear Left Rear Right Connects to the rear left and rear right channel in the 5 1 channel audio system Cen Sub Center Subwoofer Connects to the center and subwoofer channel in the 5 1 channel audio system AUDIO2 Mic In Connects to the plug from external microphone Line In Connects to the line out from external audio sources F L F R Front Left Front Right Connects to ...

Page 27: ...by pressing the Reset button on computer chassis Only when it failed by these two methods can you restart the system by powering it off and then back on After pressing Del key the main menu screen appears Phoenix AwardBIOS CMOS Setup Utility SoftMenu Setup PC Health Status Standard CMOS Features Load Fail Safe Defaults Advanced BIOS Features Load Optimized Defaults Advanced Chipset Features Set Pa...

Page 28: ...t let us first see a short description of the function keys you may use here Esc Press this button to quit the BIOS Setup Press these buttons to choose in the main menu the option you want to confirm or to modify F10 When you have completed the setup of BIOS parameters press this button to save these parameters and to exit the BIOS Setup menu NF8 Series ...

Page 29: ... Save ESC Exit F1 General Help F5 Previous Values F6 Fail Safe Defaults F7 Optimized Defaults Brand Name This item displays the CPU model name Frequency This item displays the CPU internal clock speed CPU Operating Speed This item displays the CPU operating speed according to the type and speed of your CPU You can also select the User Define option to enter the manual option User Define WARNING Th...

Page 30: ...aranteed Voltage Control This option allows you to switch between the default and user defined voltages Leave this setting to default unless the current voltage setting cannot be detected or is not correct The option User Define enables you to select the following voltages manually CPU Core Voltage This item selects the CPU core voltage DDR RAM Voltage This item selects the voltage for DRAM slot D...

Page 31: ...1 Slave None IDE Channel 2 Master None IDE Channel 3 Master None Drive A 1 44M 3 5 in Drive B None Floppy 3 Mode Support Disabled Video EGA VGA Halt On All But keyboard Base Memory 640K Extended Memory 1046520K Total Memory 1047552K Move Enter Select PU PD Value F10 Save ESC Exit F1 General Help F5 Previous Values F6 Fail Safe Defaults F7 Optimized Defaults Date mm dd yy This item sets the date yo...

Page 32: ...screen automatically IDE Channel 0 Master Slave IDE Channel 1 Master Slave IDE Channel 2 Master IDE Channel 3 Master When set to Auto the BIOS will automatically check what kind of IDE drive you are using If you want to define your own drive by yourself set it to Manual and make sure you fully understand the meaning of the parameters Please refer to the instruction manual provided by the device s ...

Page 33: ...py drive Video This item selects the type of video adapter used for the primary system monitor EGA VGA Enhanced Graphics Adapter Video Graphics Array For EGA VGA SVGA and PGA monitor adapters CGA 40 Color Graphics Adapter Power up in 40 column mode CGA 80 Color Graphics Adapter Power up in 80 column mode Mono Monochrome adapter Includes high resolution monochrome adapters Halt On This item determi...

Page 34: ...The value of the base memory is typically 640K for system with 640K or more memory size installed on the motherboard Extended Memory This item displays the amount of extended memory detected during system boot up Total Memory This item displays the total memory available in the system NF8 Series ...

Page 35: ...ere the hard disks detected can be selected for the booting sequence to boot up system This item functions only when there is the option of Hard Disk in any one of the First Second Third Boot Device items First Boot Device Second Boot Device Third Boot Device Boot Other Device Select the drive to boot first second and third in the First Boot Device Second Boot Device and Third Boot Device items re...

Page 36: ...ave to open the computer case and clear all information in the CMOS before you can start up the system But by doing this you will have to reset all previously set options MPS Version Ctrl For OS This item specifies which version of MPS Multi Processor Specification this motherboard will use Leave this item to its default setting OS Select For DRAM 64MB This item allows you to access the memory tha...

Page 37: ...il Safe Defaults F7 Optimized Defaults LDT Downstream Width This item selects the LDT Bus Width HT Frequency This item selects the LDT Bus Frequency DRAM Configuration Click Enter key to enter its submenu Phoenix Award WorkstationBIOS CMOS Setup Utility DRAM Configuration Max Memclock Mhz Auto Item Help 1T 2T Memory Timing Auto CSA Latency Tcl Auto RAS to CAS delay Trcd Auto Min RAS active time Tr...

Page 38: ...ics to your system Make sure your graphics card supports the mode you select Leave this item to its default Auto setting AGP Fast Write Leave this item to its default Auto setting AGP Sideband Address Leave this item to its default Auto setting Special I O for PCI Card This item allows you to assign specific I O address for add on PCI card Base I O Address This item assigns the specific I O addres...

Page 39: ... FDC Controller Enabled Onboard Serial Port 1 3F8 IRQ4 Onboard Parallel Port 378 IRQ7 Parallel Port Mode SPP X EPP Mode Select EPP1 7 X ECP Mode Use DMA 3 Move Enter Select PU PD Value F10 Save ESC Exit F1 General Help F5 Previous Values F6 Fail Safe Defaults F7 Optimized Defaults OnChip IDE Device Click Enter key to enter its submenu Phoenix Award WorkstationBIOS CMOS Setup Utility OnChip IDE Dev...

Page 40: ...isable the primary IDE1 and secondary IDE2 IDE controller Select Disabled if you want to add a different hard drive controller IDE Prefetch Mode Two options are available Disabled or Enabled The default setting is Enabled The onboard IDE drive interfaces supports IDE prefetching for faster drive accesses If you install a primary and or secondary add in IDE interface set this field to Disabled if t...

Page 41: ...ter RAID Select the disks that you want to use as RAID disks Back to Integrated Peripherals Setup Menu OnChip USB This option enables or disables the USB controller If you choose to disable this item the USB 2 0 Controller USB Keyboard Support Via USB Mouse Support Via and USB Mass Storage Support items will not be able to select in Integrated Peripherals menu USB 2 0 Controller This option enable...

Page 42: ...O address and IRQ of Serial Port 1 Six options are available Disabled 3F8 IRQ4 2F8 IRQ3 3E8 IRQ4 2E8 IRQ3 AUTO The default setting is 3F8 IRQ4 Onboard Parallel Port Sets the I O address and IRQ of the onboard parallel port Four options are available Disabled 378 IRQ7 278 IRQ5 3BC IRQ7 Default setting is 378 IRQ7 Parallel Port Mode Four options are available SPP EPP ECP ECP EPP The default setting ...

Page 43: ...end to RAM function Power Button Function Two options are available Delay 4 Sec or Instant Off The default setting is Instant Off It is activated when the user presses the power button for more than four seconds while the system is in the working state then the system will transition to the soft off Power off by software This is called the power button over ride Restore on AC Power Loss This item ...

Page 44: ... need to saving and leave the BIOS setting menu to reboot your computer system Next time when you shutdown your computer you can t use the power button to turn on the computer power anymore You need to press the password to turn on your computer power Hot Key Power On Fifteen options are available Ctrl F1 Ctrl F12 Power Wake and Any Key The default setting is Ctrl F1 You can choose the hot key tha...

Page 45: ...isabled When set to Enabled you can set the date and time at which the RTC real time clock alarm awakens the system from Suspend mode Day of Month Alarm Time hh mm ss Alarm You can set the Date month Alarm and Time Alarm hh mm ss Any event occurring will awaken a system that has powered down User s Manual ...

Page 46: ...lled By This item configures all of the boot and Plug and Play compatible devices Auto The system will automatically detect the settings Manual Choose the specific IRQ resources in the IRQ Resources menu IRQ Resources Click Enter key to enter its submenu This item sets each system interrupt to either PCI Device or Reserved Phoenix Award WorkstationBIOS CMOS Setup Utility PnP PCI Configurations IRQ...

Page 47: ...e MPEG ISA VESA VGA cards can work with PCI VGA or not Disabled MPEG ISA VESA VGA cards do not work with PCI VGA Enabled MPEG ISA VESA VGA cards work with PCI VGA PIRQ_0 Use IRQ No PIRQ 7 Use IRQ No This item specifies the IRQ number manually or automatically for the devices installed on PCI slots User s Manual ...

Page 48: ...lts F7 Optimized Defaults Shutdown Temperature Five options are available Disabled 60 140 65 149 70 158 75 167 The default setting is Disabled You can set the processor shutdown temperature here If the processor temperature exceeds the settings value system will force to shutdown to protect the processor not overheat CPU Warning Temperature This item lets you select the temperature at which you wa...

Page 49: ...ads the BIOS default values that are factory settings for optimal performance system operations 3 11 Set Password This option protects the BIOS configuration or restricts access to the computer itself 3 12 Save Exit Setup This option saves your selections and exits the BIOS setup menu 3 13 Exit Without Saving This option exits the BIOS setup menu without saving any change User s Manual ...

Page 50: ...3 24 Chapter 3 3 24 Chapter 3 NF8 Series NF8 Series ...

Page 51: ...em For other operating systems please follow the on screen instructions Insert the Driver Utility CD into the CD ROM drive It should execute the installation program automatically If not double click the executable file at the main directory of this CD to enter the installation menu After entering the installation menu move your curser to Drivers tab Click nVidia nForce Chipset Driver The followin...

Page 52: ...A 2 Appendix A 7 Click Next 8 Click Next 9 Click Yes 10 Click Yes 11 Choose Yes I want to restart my computer now and click Finish to complete setup NF8 Series ...

Page 53: ...nsert the Driver Utility CD into CD ROM drive it should execute the installation program automatically If not double click the execution file at the main directory of this CD to enter the installation menu After entering the installation menu move your curser to Drivers tab Click Realtek Audio Driver The following screen appears 1 Click Next 2 Choose Yes I want to restart my computer now and click...

Page 54: ...B 2 Appendix B B 2 Appendix B NF8 Series NF8 Series ...

Page 55: ... Driver C 1 Appendix C Install USB 2 0 Driver NOTE The installation for USB 2 0 driver for Windows XP or Windows 2000 is currently available by updating the latest Service Pack from Microsoft s web site User s Manual ...

Page 56: ...C 2 Appendix C C 2 Appendix C NF8 Series NF8 Series ...

Page 57: ...OM drive it should execute the installation program automatically If not double click the execution file at the main directory of this CD to enter the installation menu After entering the installation menu move your curser to Drivers tab Click AMD64 Processor Driver The following screen appears NOTE For Windows 2000 operating system this AMD64 Processor Driver button will be replaced by AMD Cool n...

Page 58: ...Options from the control panel and choose the power scheme Minimal Power Management to enable Cool n Quiet NOTE For Windows 2000 or ME system an AMD Cool n Quiet tab will appear under Power Options when the Cool n Quiet software for Windows 2000 and ME is installed This must be set to Automatic Mode for Cool n Quiet to be enabled NF8 Series ...

Page 59: ...llation procedures and screen shots in this section are based on the Windows XP operating system For other operating systems please follow the on screen instructions Insert the Driver Utility CD into the CD ROM drive It should execute the installation program automatically If not double click the executable file at the main directory of this CD to enter the installation menu After entering the ins...

Page 60: ...y computer now and click Finish to complete setup 5 Execute the ABIT EQ by entering the Windows Menu Start All Programs ABIT ABIT EQ 6 This screen appears ABIT EQ shows you the status of Voltage Fan Speed and Temperature readings as well NF8 Series ...

Page 61: ... this section are based on the Windows XP operating system For other operating systems please follow the on screen instructions Insert the Driver Utility CD into the CD ROM drive It should execute the installation program automatically If not double click the executable file at the main directory of this CD to enter the installation menu After entering the installation menu move your curser to ABI...

Page 62: ...lashMenu by entering the Windows Menu Start All Programs ABIT FlashMenu 6 This FlashMenu screen appears You can easily update the BIOS from clicking Update From File One Click LiveUpdate or LiveUpdate Step by Step button NF8 Series ...

Page 63: ... other OS please follow its on screen instruction Insert the Driver Utility CD into CD ROM drive it should execute the installation program automatically If not double click the execution file at the main directory of this CD to enter the installation menu After entering the installation menu move your curser to ABIT Utility tab Click NF8 NVRaid Floppy Disk The following screen appears 1 Insert on...

Page 64: ...G 2 Appendix G G 2 Appendix G NF8 Series NF8 Series ...

Page 65: ...st the following three troubleshooting methods to discharge CMOS data recover the hardware default status and then making the motherboard work again There is no need to bother returning the motherboard to where you bought it from or go through an RMA process Step 1 Switch off the power supply unit and then switch it on again after one minute If there is no power switch on the power supply unit dis...

Page 66: ...h time you insert a card until the system will not start Keep the VGA card and the interface card that caused the problem inserted on the motherboard remove any other cards or peripheral and start again If you still cannot start note the information related to both cards in the add on Card space provided and don t forget to indicate the motherboard model version BIOS identification number CPU refe...

Page 67: ...IDE1 Master Example In the HDD space check the box in the Brand space write Seagate in the Specifications space write ST31621A 1 6GB 8 CD ROM Drive Indicate the brand and specifications of your CD ROM drive Specify if it uses IDE1 or IDE2 and check in case you give no indication we will consider that your CD ROM is IDE2 Master Example In the CD ROM drive space check the box in the Brand space writ...

Page 68: ...me Phone Number Contact Person Fax Number E mail Address Model BIOS ID Motherboard Model No DRIVER REV OS Application Hardware Name Brand Specifications CPU HDD IDE1 IDE2 CD ROM Drive IDE1 IDE2 System Memory ADD ON CARD Problem Description NF8 Series ...

Page 69: ...ts have the best quality and compatibility In case you need service or technical support please understand the constraint we have and always check with the reseller who sold the product to you first To expedite service we recommend that you follow the procedures outlined below before contacting us With your help we can meet our commitment to provide the best service to the greatest number of ABIT ...

Page 70: ...tegrated and sold the system to you They should know best what your system configuration is and your problem They should have reasonable return or refund policies How they serve you is also a good reference for your next purchase 6 Contacting ABIT If you feel that you need to contact ABIT directly you can send email to the ABIT technical support department First please contact the support team for...

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Page 72: ...ently it is likely that you have a defective component Please contact the reseller from whom you bought the product You should be able to get RMA service there 8 Reporting Compatibility Problems to ABIT Because of tremendous number of email messages we receive every day we are forced to give greater weight to certain types of messages than to others For this reason any compatibility problem that i...

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