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Proline Low-temperature Thermostats

YACE0072 / 21.08.07

Technical data

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Pump characteristics

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Содержание RP 845

Страница 1: ...a Koenigshofen Germany from softwareversion of Cooling system 1 44 from softwareversion of Analogue interface 1 33 from softwareversion of RS232 485 Module 1 38 from softwareversion of contact I 0 mod...

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Страница 3: ...uipment Never operate the equipment without the heat carrier liquid Do not start up the equipment if it is damaged or leaking cable not only supply cable is damaged Switch off the equipment and pull o...

Страница 4: ...25 7 3 SWITCHING OFF STANDBY 27 7 4 KEY FUNCTIONS 27 7 4 1 General key functions and pilot lamps 27 7 4 2 Changing window information Command Console 31 7 4 3 Locking the keyboard 32 7 5 MASTER MENU S...

Страница 5: ...rupting continuing or terminating the program Hold Continue Stop 77 7 10 4 Creating or modifying a program Edit 78 7 10 5 Defining the number of program loops Loops 82 7 10 6 Viewing the program seque...

Страница 6: ...3 Menu structure contact module Master 113 9 MAINTENANCE 114 9 1 CLEANING 114 9 2 DEVICE STATUS 114 9 2 1 Interrogating the device type 114 9 2 2 Software version 114 9 2 3 Serial numbers 114 9 2 4 D...

Страница 7: ...ion of signs Danger This sign is used where there may be injury to personnel if a recommendation is not followed accurately or is disregarded Note Here special attention is drawn to some aspect May in...

Страница 8: ...over can reach surface temperatures exceeding 70 C Be careful when touching it Risk of burning Use suitable hoses Section 6 3 Secure hose against slippage with the aid of hose clips Avoid kinks in the...

Страница 9: ...rier liquid 6 3 The units are designed for operation with non flammable and flammable liquids to DIN EN 61010 2 010 Take care of the level of the heat carrier liquid 6 2 3 Compare the information on t...

Страница 10: ...trol Intern Extern Bml 0 C Further settings LMDkt C Configure modules LMnet C End Dlc C Section 7 6 2 Section 7 6 3 Display flashes Set setpoint with or Display is accepted afer 4 sec or proceed immed...

Страница 11: ...offset Brightness Contrast intern Pt100 extern Pt100 Device type Software Version Serial numbers Device data Error store Mode Baud rate RS485 address internal external Pt100 Analog interface RS232 48...

Страница 12: ...Master control panel see page 14 Mains switch Pump connection at side Suction nozzle return to bath Bypass valve see illustration on next page Side pump connection Pump outflow pressure output Bath co...

Страница 13: ...ating lower section the integrated electrically heated cover plate and Command Main fuse switch Connection socket 51H for refrigerating lower section Mains connecting lead Air intake for electronic he...

Страница 14: ...Enter keys Graphical display here in the standard window displaying the values Actual temperature Tint of internal bath temperature probe Setpoint temperature Tset Actual temperature Text of the exter...

Страница 15: ...s are fitted with a VarioFlex pump with an 8 stage variable drive The pump power can therefore be optimally matched to the relevant task High pump pressure when for example long hoses pass to external...

Страница 16: ...s a low reactive effect on the mains and the SmartCool refrigeration equipment together with further transducers An external Pt100 can be connected via a socket 10S for the acquisition of an external...

Страница 17: ...ng section Command Console external solenoid valve etc Command Version The Command unit is equipped as standard with the following sockets For the connection of an external Pt100 temperature probe 10S...

Страница 18: ...ed by the controller To achieve this a number of sensors in the cooling circuit monitor the operating conditions The compressors are equipped with overtemperature cutouts which respond to the compress...

Страница 19: ...r Quantity Article YACE0072 1 Operating instructions this document for all cooling thermostats HDQ 108 1 Bath cover at RP 845 RP 855 and RP 870 HDQ 109 1 Bath cover at RP 1840 RP 1845 and RP 3530 LCZ...

Страница 20: ...or cable for the LAUDA device bus into the 70S socket and secure it Connect it with the connection cable of the bath bridge heating Plug the bus connector of the Command console also into the 70S sock...

Страница 21: ...liquids to DIN EN 61010 2 010 Flammable liquids must not be used higher than 25 C below the fire point Section 6 3 When using heat carrier oils note that they expand on heating approx 8 100 C With enc...

Страница 22: ...44 28 at 60 C 362 LZB 117 LZB 217 LZB 317 Therm 240 50 240 Silicone oil 130 45 at 50 C 378 LZB 122 LZB 222 LZB 322 At higher temperatures Evaporation losses Use bath covers Only use distilled water o...

Страница 23: ...rrier liquids RKJ 091 Viton insulated 8 5 External approx 30mm 60 150 For all heat carrier liquids LZS 017 Viton insulated 11 External approx 32mm 60 150 For all heat carrier liquids LZS 018 EPDM hose...

Страница 24: ...valve to external 3 If cross sectional area of tube is too low temperature gradient between bath and external load due to low flow rate Always ensure the largest possible passages in the external circ...

Страница 25: ...itch The green LED for Mains ON is lit 1 s an acoustic signal is emitted for about 1 second it is quite normal if the refrigerating machine makes a rattling sound for a few seconds The unit starts its...

Страница 26: ...is possible on Command Console Command Language If the Command Console is being switched on for the first time the illustrated window appears automatically enabling you to select the dialog language w...

Страница 27: ...g instructions 7 4 1 General key functions and pilot lamps Master Enter key From the actual value display at the main menu level activates input display flashes saves input display ceases to flash and...

Страница 28: ...te before the blue LED is lit EXT The temperature of the external probe is displayed Command Enter key Confirm selection and go back one level End Soft key function to confirm a selection or input and...

Страница 29: ...nformation Heating cooling Here heating is taking place at 55 3 and 0 0 cooling Soft keys Help Help function Menu Set unit parameters Screen Changes between basic normal super and graphics recorder wi...

Страница 30: ...external probe if connected Overtemperature cut off point Tmax Pump level of the VarioFlex Pump Control variable to Tint or Text Information Heating cooling Soft keys see as above 4 Graphical measurem...

Страница 31: ...it is done Open the unit parameter menu via the soft key Menu With and change from Settings Display Data Standard Window Edit or takes you to the illustrated window and marks T max as illustrated Conf...

Страница 32: ...R ED Locking and hold pressed simultane ously for 3 s RDr appears for 3 seconds then the segments of the first right hand are formed hold both keys pressed until this display is completely visible R E...

Страница 33: ...back to the previously set Screen mode The soft key boxes are now blank indicating that the keyboard is locked On pressing any Master key the display appears Keyboard locked Unlocking Press and then a...

Страница 34: ...9 2 4 T13 Act val 24V voltage in V Section 9 2 4 OT 0 Current consumpt pump I Section 9 2 4 OT O Power consumpt pump W Section 9 2 4 OT l Pump speed rpm Section 9 2 4 lE 4 Mains frequency Hz Section 9...

Страница 35: ...Brightness Contrast intern Pt100 extern Pt100 Device type Software Version Serial numbers Device data Error store Mode Baud rate RS485 address internal external Pt100 Analog interface RS232 485 Calibr...

Страница 36: ...trol Intern Extern Bml 0 C Further settings LMDkt C Configure modules LMnet C End Dlc C Section 7 6 2 Section 7 6 3 Display flashes Set setpoint with or Display is accepted after 4 sec or proceed imme...

Страница 37: ...n Depending on the selected control variable only internal or external parameters are offered Calibrate temp probe B K C Show values RgmY C Reduce current consumpt resolution start after mains fail wo...

Страница 38: ...nalog module lA C Conf RS232 485 module pR C End Dlc C Section 7 6 9 Indicates that a Command Console is connected Config digital module c0 C Protection system version characteristics and settings of...

Страница 39: ...0A 16 0A Section 7 7 5 Start operating mode Rr pr C Display flashes Change to Auto or Man with or Section 7 8 2 longer than 3 Sec Works setting cDE C The works setting default has been restored and c...

Страница 40: ...e only shown when rsc tvd has been changed from the works setting Automatic to Manual Changeover should only be carried out by experienced control technicians Display flashes Set with or Tn range 3s 1...

Страница 41: ...f Res time master cntr s Dl04 C Set control parameters O0c C Display flashes Set with or Kpe range 0 10 9 80 Prop rng master contr DO 4 C Important The windows for setting the additional parameters fo...

Страница 42: ...layed when D has been changed from the works setting of Automatic to Manual Changeover should only be carried out by experienced control technicians End Dlc C The works setting default of the external...

Страница 43: ...lD is displayed longer than 3 sec Int Pt100 works settg cDE 0 C Calibrate temp probe B K C End Dlc C longer than 3 sec Offset internal probe B K 0 C Display flashes Use or to enter value of reference...

Страница 44: ...erial no Hi Rlp G C Flashing display Serie no of thermostat Hi word Serial no Lo Rlp K C Flashing display Serie no of thermostat Lo word Cntr val temp contr RrDll C Flashing display Control value of t...

Страница 45: ...erature heatsink rGR C Flashing display Heatsink temperature C in master housing Mains current consumpt 0DEE C Flashing display Momentary current drawn from the mains A Temperature master rGD c C Flas...

Страница 46: ...g display Counter operating hours Master complet Mains voltage lT C Flashing display Mains voltage in percentage of nominal voltage Mains frequency lE 4 C Display of mains frequency 50 50Hz 60 60 Hz P...

Страница 47: ...meters RG VW can be accessed over the Master settings as well Safety Parameters RDC C Display flashes Set with or Range 0 3 7 8 6 Alarm volume K 2 C Display flashes Set with or between Range 0 3 7 8 6...

Страница 48: ...ttings End Dlc C Service level SW 1 44 RDp C Changes by authorised personnel only 7 6 12 Refrigerating system B P C Configure refrig system Bm C Display flashes Set with or The compressor may be switc...

Страница 49: ...rater system Continued on the following page Serial no Hi Rlp G C Display flashes Serial no of the thermostat Hi Word Serial no Lo Rlp K C Display flashes Serial no of the thermostat Lo Word Display t...

Страница 50: ...r Displaying refrigerating system settings Return to the previous page Display temperature r rb C Display flashes temperature tc C Display temperature r KO C Display flashes temperature LP C Voltage T...

Страница 51: ...g system settings Servicemen s RDp C Display flashes Set with or Range 1 8 Low level warning lK 2 C Changes by authorised personnel only Display flashes Set stell_min stell_min RLM0l C Test service e...

Страница 52: ...ctions and pilot lamps Wait 4 seconds or Display flashes 4 seconds new value is automatically accepted or value is accepted immediately with Enter key For safety reasons the setpoint can only be set u...

Страница 53: ...then change it with or Confirm the value with or quit the window with without having made any changes Two other ways of entering the setpoint With the soft key Tfix open the window shown on the left...

Страница 54: ...surement channel 2 can be used as the controlled variable for the bath temperature in applications with a noticeable temperature gradient between the internal bath temperature and an external load The...

Страница 55: ...ioFlex pump eight pump levels are available with which the bath circulation flow rate and pressure the noise generated and the mechanical heat input can be optimized This is particularly advantageous...

Страница 56: ...ode A previously activated timer mode 7 11 because a started time continues to run Start command via interfaces 8 7 7 4 Activating external control An external temperature probe can be connected to th...

Страница 57: ...r of 3 5 kW is then also reduced accordingly Take into account whether other loads are still connected to the fused circuit or whether your Proline Thermostat is the only load or Change temperature pr...

Страница 58: ...th the Enter key Command Current Consumption Open the device parameter menu via the soft key Menu With the cursor keys change further to Settings Basic settings Current Consumpt 16 0 A is presently ac...

Страница 59: ...be set under Format of date 7 7 7 Display resolution setting Command The Command version allows for different resolutions of the displayed temperature Command Display resolution Open the device parame...

Страница 60: ...t resolution R The current setting is displayed here 0 for the works setting of 0 1 C The resolution display 0 flashes or 0 for 0 1 C 0 for 0 01 C Wait 4 seconds or Display flashes 4 s new value is au...

Страница 61: ...ns voltage is restored after an interruption standby is activated in the LM l mode and Rr pr is displayed You can quit the standby mode with Command Auto start Open the device parameter menu via the s...

Страница 62: ...start option rhg maximum temperature or with 4x rhK minimum temperature The maximum temperature can be changed here The minimum temperature can be changed here The maximum temperature minimum temperat...

Страница 63: ...the following submenu the relative setpoint Set and the source of the actual value can be entered Continue with The offset operating mode is currently deactivated To activate it press and with change...

Страница 64: ...irm with Interfaces e g RS232 are only displayed if a valid setpoint has already been transmitted With the cursor keys continue to Setpoint offset The standard value is 0 00 C Open the left hand windo...

Страница 65: ...e next menu until Dlc appears Press this key Command Works settings Open the device parameter menu via the soft key Menu With the cursor keys continue to Settings Works settings The window shown oppos...

Страница 66: ...trol para ext similar for external only miscellaneous which resets setpoint pump level maximum current consumption control to internal and auto start to Auto Under Command all command settings are res...

Страница 67: ...volume here 1 is displayed The volume display flashes or Select volume off to 2 loud You hear the alarm or warning tones at the selected volume Wait 4 seconds or Display flashes 4 s new value is auto...

Страница 68: ...te Master B K 0 3x to LMDls 2x to B K Call the offset adjustment of the internal temperature probe B K B K 0 is displayed 3 seconds The actual value of the bath temperature is displayed flashing or Se...

Страница 69: ...nally the works setting can be restored with this function Master cDE 0 3x to LMDls 2x to B K 1x Call offset works setting for the internal temperature probe cDE 0 cDE 0 is displayed 3 sec The works s...

Страница 70: ...be dipped nearly by the external temperature probe into the consumer bath according to the details on the calibration certificate Master B K D 3x to LMDls 2x to B K 2x Call the offset adjustment for t...

Страница 71: ...to B K 3x Call the offset works setting for the external temperature probe cDE D Continue as described in 7 8 8 for the internal temperature probe Command Default Open the device parameter menu via th...

Страница 72: ...efines whether the axis label is to be invisible or visible Sample time defines with which time interval the measurements are recorded 5 possibilities are offered From 2s max 1h45min up to 2min max 10...

Страница 73: ...be changed with Enter the desired new value in the changes window in the usual way When setting the minimum value the largest permissible value here 26 90 C since the maximum value is 27 C is stated...

Страница 74: ...e target temperature i e the temperature at the end of the segment and the duration from the start to the end of the segment Step Without any specified time the final temperature is approached as quic...

Страница 75: ...e or tolerance Section 7 10 4 The field tolerance refer to the above program table and the graph below It facilitates exact conformance to the dwell time at a specified temperature Segment 1 is not pr...

Страница 76: ...ted program can be 1 started Start 2 paused Hold 3 continued Continue or 4 terminated Stop In addition the standby key stops the programmer Pause operation After standby is deactivated the programmer...

Страница 77: ...s with the last setpoint setting Continuation of a program paused with Hold occurs using Continue which is obtained with In addition the standby key stops the programmer The pump heater and cooling un...

Страница 78: ...o the currently running segment are possible The segment then continues as though the modification had been applicable since the start of the segment However If the new segment time is shorter than th...

Страница 79: ...indow Segment 1 was created in this way Continue with to the fields Time Tolerance See program example in 7 10 1 If there is no entry in the Time field the bath temperature is approached as quickly as...

Страница 80: ...ld Time appears Then the final temperature is approached as quickly as possible With a time entry the final temperature is obtained exactly after the time expires ramp Enter the segment time and confi...

Страница 81: ...ct outputs of the contact module if present special accessory are programmed here If the field in the column Out 1 has a black background the entry mode for the Contact output is obtained by pressing...

Страница 82: ...g 0 causes the program to repeat continuously Confirm the entry with the key and return to the display You can quit the Edit mode with or End 7 10 6 Viewing the program sequence as a graph Graph Comma...

Страница 83: ...hh mm without the time which is necessary to process step changes in temperature Number of free segments Segment which is at present currently being processed Residual time of the current segment in h...

Страница 84: ...ommand Programmer Ramp function Open the list of device parameters using the soft key Menu With the cursor keys continue to Programmer Ramp function Confirm with the key Enter a positive or negative t...

Страница 85: ...the thermostat again from the standby mode The menu Function is used to define when an action is executed Similar to an electronic mains timer Weekplan enables two switching events to be carried out...

Страница 86: ...ized ex works for operation as a bath thermostat with water as the bath medium with internal control The parameters are also preset for the operation of external containers with external control Somet...

Страница 87: ...an rt Tv in seconds The thermostat logic system only permits values with Tn Tv Damping time Auto Man rc Td in seconds Tv Td changeover to auto man rtc Auto or LM Man The works setting is Automatic Onl...

Страница 88: ...ller determines the internal setpoint from the temperature setpoint and the external temperature passed to the slave controller The control value of the slave controller controls the heating and cooli...

Страница 89: ...arameters Open the device parameter menu via the soft key Menu With the cursor keys continue to Control Control Parameters Control Parameters The adjacent window appears Parameter endings e Master con...

Страница 90: ...ations reserved 7 13 2 2 Steps for setting the control parameters for external control 1 Activate external control 7 7 4 2 Setting the slave controller 2 1 Set parameters to auto Xpf see table 7 13 2...

Страница 91: ...e LAUDA Wintherm PC program 7 14 Alarms Warnings and Errors The SelfCheck Assistant of your Proline Thermostat monitors more than 50 device parameters and triggers alarms warnings or errors as appropr...

Страница 92: ...while you keep pressed This somewhat complicated procedure is intended to prevent unintentional adjustment Not higher than 25 C below the fire point of the heat carrier liquid used Section 6 2 and 6...

Страница 93: ...bath contains too little liquid 3 The red LED above the fault triangle flashes Heater switches off on both poles VarioFlex pump and refrigerating unit are switched off Find the cause of the fault and...

Страница 94: ...heater off as long as the level goes down Recommended for flammable heat carrier liquids with much higher flash point and temperatures above 100 C Alarm lG K Alarm Alarm switches off the pump and the...

Страница 95: ...e fault triangle flashes Heater switches off on both poles Pump and refrigerating unit are switched off electronically Find the cause of the fault Possible causes may be 1 Volume expansion on heating...

Страница 96: ...ossible on the Master control panel 7 14 6 Pump motor supervision Dry running kk The SelfCheck Assistant monitors the VarioFlex pump 1 Alarm sounds as dual tone signal when the pump runs without liqui...

Страница 97: ...3 break VW 00 Software version of protection system too old VW00 Software version of control system too old VW 01 Software version of operating system too old VW001 Software version of operating syste...

Страница 98: ...f pump 2 too old VW113 Software version of pump 3 too old Warnings from Analogue Module Warnings from RS232 485 Module Message Meaning Message Meaning VW3 0 Overflow of CAN receipt VW4 0 Overflow of C...

Страница 99: ...ing system too old VW602 Software version of heating system too old VW503 Software version of analogue interface too old VW603 Software version of analogue interface too old VW504 Software version of...

Страница 100: ...handshake Use screened connecting cable Connect screen to connector case The connections are isolated from the remainder of the electronics Any pins not in use must not be connected When a PC is conne...

Страница 101: ...n in the form of a termination network which ensures a defined rest status in the high resistance phases of bus operation The bus termination is as follows This termination network is usually incorpor...

Страница 102: ...it OUT_PAR_10_XXX X Setting of control parameter XpF OUT_PAR_11_XXX Setting of control parameter TnF 5 180s 181 Off OUT_PAR_12_XXX Setting of control parameter TvF OUT_PAR_13_XXX X Setting of control...

Страница 103: ...0 001 C IN_SP_00 Read temperature setpoint IN_SP_01 Read current pump power stage IN_SP_02 Read cooling operation mode 0 OFF 1 ON 2 AUTOMATIC IN_SP_03 Read current overtemperature switch off point IN_...

Страница 104: ...pe of solenoid valve Level controller STATUS Read equipment status 0 OK 1 error STAT Read error diagnosis response XXXXXXX X 0 no error X 1 error 1 Char error 2 Char Alarm 3 Char Warning 4 Char over t...

Страница 105: ...ue set point input ON ERR_32 TiH TiL ERR_33 No external sensor ERR_34 Analogue value not available ERR_35 Auto is selected ERR_36 No set point input possible Programmer is running or is paused ERR_37...

Страница 106: ...the module from its packaging Switch off the thermostat and pull out the mains plug Insert a screwdriver into the lower recess of the module cavity and prise up the plastic cover The cover can then be...

Страница 107: ...Temp extern serial Actuating signal Pump power Pump speed 2400 4800 9600 19200 Mode Baud rate RS485 address Voltage 0 10V Current 0 20mA Current 4 20mA Status Function Interface type Minimum value Ma...

Страница 108: ...n and commands see chapter 7 15 8 3 1 Menu structure for RS232 485 Interface Module Master All existing menu points are illustrated However the Master unit masks out menu points which cannot be execut...

Страница 109: ...ctual temperature from Pt100 LMrDO or Temp external Pt100 External actual temperature from analogue input LMrD or Temp external analogue External actual temperature from the serial interface LMrDR or...

Страница 110: ...re factory settings Dlc Quit menu lA Configure analogue module LM XX Set input output mode rXO 0 or T Current 0 or voltage T input output 0 1 or 1 Current input output 0 20 or 4 20 mA G 0 Set maximum...

Страница 111: ...switching state contact open or closed allot to two different setpoint temperatures E r1B or alternating mode Controller mode the switching state input open or closed can allotted to two different co...

Страница 112: ...ts Contact inputs and outputs Output Input View on flange plug Front or solder side coupler socket Max 30V 0 2A Coupler socket Catalogue number EQD 047 View on flange plug Front or solder side coupler...

Страница 113: ...t Output 3 E Bml Control type on this input activated E K Alarm function on this input activated E Rra Stand by function on this input activated E Op5 Programmer function on this input activated E r1B...

Страница 114: ...e type LMDkt O pA rXOF Section 7 6 4 Settings Device status Device type With low temperature thermostats the device type is detected automatically and cannot be changed 9 2 2 Software version LMDkt Rg...

Страница 115: ...in which up to 45 fault and alarm messages are saved Command Error store Settings Device status Error store Display The last message is at the top Each message line can be marked with the cursor keys...

Страница 116: ...ps again Service must locate the cause Additionally a safety fuse which protects the low voltages is situated on the mains board If a fuse fails mains lamp does not light only replace with a fuse with...

Страница 117: ...404A 3784 R 134a HFC 134a 1 300 R 508A HFC 508A 11 939 Time span 100 years according to IPCC II 1996 Basis for Kyoto Protocol 9 3 3 2 Disposal of the packaging Packaging part Material Type of disposa...

Страница 118: ...e following for example LCK1885 07 0001 LCK1885 article order number Ref No 07 manufacturing year 2007 0001 continuous numbering Your contact for service and support LAUDA Service Centre Telephone 49...

Страница 119: ...ts but especially for remote operation with the command console EKS 069 Automatic refill device with LiBus control Evaporating heat carrier liquid is automatically topped up LCZ 9661 Shut off unit wit...

Страница 120: ...bath volume being reduced to approx 4 litres LCZ 0667 Suspended basket for notched bar impact samples For RP 870 RP 890 LCZ 0658 Wall bracket for command console For mounting the console securely on t...

Страница 121: ...x 3 5 see also Section 7 7 5 Current consumption from the mais max 1 7 see also Section 7 7 5 Current consumption from the mais max 3 5 see also Section 7 7 5 Current consumption from the mais with th...

Страница 122: ...rd B according to EN 61326 1 1997 VDE 0843 20 1 1 EU Directives Units conform to EU Directives 89 336 EEC EMC und 73 23 EEC low voltage with CE marking The cooling power will be reduced by 30 35W when...

Страница 123: ...Proline Low temperature Thermostats YACE0072 21 08 07 Technical data 123 Pump characteristics measured with water...

Страница 124: ...Proline Low temperature Thermostats 124 Technical data YACE0072 21 08 07 Cooling curves Cooling curves Bath closed heat carrier liquid ethanol Pump Level 3 Time in minutes Temperature in C...

Страница 125: ...lay resolution 59 Disposal 21 Disposal information 116 Draining 21 Duo key Command 28 E D analog module control source 57 Edit 78 EMC standard EN 61326 1 1997 8 Enter key Command 28 Master 27 DO exter...

Страница 126: ...ces RS232 485 108 Serial number 118 Serial numbers 114 Service contact 118 Servicing 116 Set date 59 RDr setpoint setting 52 Set time 59 Setpoint offset 63 Setpoint resolution 60 RDro Setpoint offset...

Страница 127: ...il LAUDA voir plaque signal tique Typ Type Type Serien Nr Serial no No de s rie mit folgendem Medium betrieben wurde was used with the below mentioned media a t utilis avec le liquide suivant Dar ber...

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