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Leave enough space above and below the unit to provide good ventilation. If airflow is not
adequate, unit will heat up and fire hazard may result.

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Operate the unit in an environment with a free-air temperature between 0°C and 40°C (32°F and
104°F).

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Turn off all audio equipment when making any connections to the unit, and make sure to use
adequate cables.

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Do not use benzene, thinner or chemicals to clean the unit. Use only a soft, dry cloth.

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If the unit is moved from a cold place (e.g. overnight in a car) to a warmer environment,
condensation may form inside the unit, which may affect performance. Allow the unit to acclimatize
for about one hour before use.

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Страница 1: ... Alarm System Controller with DSP integrated 6 Class D amplifiers User Manual Version V3 01 www ateis europe com 2020 ATEÏS Europe B V Celsiusstraat 1 2652 XN Lansingerland Netherlands Phone 31 0 10 208 8690 info ateis europe com ...

Страница 2: ...ate firmware 16 5 4 How to change login and password 18 5 5 How to set date and time 19 5 6 How to read and download logfile 21 6 How to configure PRIMA VA Basic configuration 22 6 1 How to upload and download configuration file 22 6 2 How to upload audio files and configure messages 23 6 3 How to configure front panel 27 6 4 How to configure audio inputs and outputs 29 6 5 How to configure logic ...

Страница 3: ...uipment over network 62 7 6 How to configure network options and functionalities 63 7 7 How to configure SIP user accounts 64 8 How to use PRIMA VA 67 8 1 How to silence buzzer 67 8 2 How to test indicators 67 9 Troubleshooting 68 Network 68 Power supply 68 Logic inputs 69 Audio 69 Amplifiers 70 Loudspeaker lines 70 Third party communication 71 Call stations 71 System faults 72 10 Contact informat...

Страница 4: ...m Congratulations Please read the present PRIMA VA User Manual carefully before installing your PRIMA VA It contains useful information and helps you getting started quickly Visit our web site www ateis europe com for more information on ATEÏS products and services Thank you for purchasing ATEÏS products ...

Страница 5: ...ow to connect audio sources such as music player and HF microphone 1 audio output for Third Party Control 1 Ethernet port for audio streams and Vox Net connection and 6 independent 80 Watts 100 Volts outputs A XLR 5 pin connector is available on front panel for the optional monitored fireman microphone PRIMA VA FM Thanks to its IP connectivity PRIMA VA R enjoys extreme flexibility It communicates ...

Страница 6: ...6 2020 ATEÏS Europe B V S A S 2 CE EN Certification ...

Страница 7: ...wist pull or heat a power cord A damaged power cord is a potential risk of fire or electrical hazard Ask your ATEÏS dealer for replacement Turn off immediately the unit remove the power cord from the AC outlet and consult your ATEÏS dealer in any of the following circumstances Smoke odor or noise getting out of the unit Foreign objects or liquids get inside the device Unit has been dropped and or ...

Страница 8: ...between 0 C and 40 C 32 F and 104 F Turn off all audio equipment when making any connections to the unit and make sure to use adequate cables Do not use benzene thinner or chemicals to clean the unit Use only a soft dry cloth If the unit is moved from a cold place e g overnight in a car to a warmer environment condensation may form inside the unit which may affect performance Allow the unit to acc...

Страница 9: ...9 2020 ATEÏS Europe B V 4 How to connect PRIMA VA Wiring diagram ...

Страница 10: ...ption 0 44 A by 28 VDC Cable specification 3 x 4 mm cable or wires Audio inputs 1 2 Balanced input Hot Cold G Ground Input impedance 22 k Ω Maximum level 14 dBu 3 8 Veff Bandwidth 20 20K Hz Phantom power 24 VDC Maximum current 3mA Static gain 100 to 40 dB AGC gain 0 to 60 dB AGC target level 24 to 6 dB Signal to noise ratio SNR 87 dB Total harmonic distortion THD 0 2 Cable specification 2 x 0 22 m...

Страница 11: ...le Contact inputs Activation NO or NC for all 6 input contacts Monitoring 4k7 resistors serial and parallel Cable specification 2 x 1 mm cable Voltage inputs Activation voltage 20 to 60 VDC Cable specification 2 x 1 mm fire retardant cable Contact outputs Evacuation Fault Activation NO for evacuation status NC for fault status NO or NC for all other 6 output contacts Maximum voltage 30 VDC Maximum...

Страница 12: ...By entering this factory default IP address on a browser like Firefox or Chrome you will connect PRIMA VA to your PC and following Home page will be displayed This page summarizes product description current firmware version and technical information regarding coding libraries and installed hardware Menu is based on 5 global items Basic config Basic status Advanced config Advanced status and Syste...

Страница 13: ...nced config should be used to set up variables commands automatic gain control on outputs encoding and decoding parameters and communication with third party equipment using Vox Net SIP or MODAN protocols Basic status and Advanced status should be used to control parameter values on 2 different levels Basic status should be used to control global status evacuation faults events variables audio inp...

Страница 14: ...odify configuration level 3 is following Login config Password ateis Factory default ID to change login and password and to upload firmware level 4 is following Login firmware Password ateis It is possible to change login and password on restricted access Please refer to How to change login and password section in this user manual Home Basic status and Advanced status items are accessible without ...

Страница 15: ...V How to modify network settings Click on System Network PRIMA VA is working only with fixed IP address Modify writable parameters like Host name IP address Network mask or Gateway Click on Apply changes to save modifications ...

Страница 16: ...u to check current version and to update PRIMA VA with new firmware version File format is following BFModule X Y Z ldr for boot loader PrimaVA X Y Z ldr for firmware with X Y and Z are depending on version Click on Parcourir or Browse to select firmware file to upload Click on Upload this file to start update Following page should appear ...

Страница 17: ... check Otherwise boot loader or firmware file is not compatible with PRIMA VA unit If all items have been validated with a green check click on Flash new firmware to upload new file Following page should appear and be displayed as long as programming process is running ...

Страница 18: ...TEÏS Europe B V How to change login and password Click on System Password Level 4 access is requested to open this page Login and password can be changed on this page Click on Apply changes to save modifications ...

Страница 19: ... and time is displayed on this page Parameter Access Description GMT Read only Greenwich mean time Local Read only Local time according to time zone setting Last update Read only Last time date and time have been set manually or automatically Reset Read only Last time PRIMA VA has been switched on or reset Uptime Read only Elapsed time since PRIMA VA has been switched on or reset Time zone can be ...

Страница 20: ...How to set date and time automatically Click on Advanced config Network Enter IP address of an NTP server Click on Apply changes to save modifications In case of invalid NTP server IP address following fault will be active NTP state To deactivate NTP synchronization on PRIMA VA enter following IP address 0 0 0 0 ...

Страница 21: ...2020 ATEÏS Europe B V How to read and download logfile Click on System Log Click on Read to read log file Click on Download to save log file on PC text file Click on Reset to delete all events on log file ...

Страница 22: ... on PC Click on Export current configuration to download configuration from PRIMA VA to PC To upload configuration file from PC Click on Parcourir or Browse to select configuration file to upload Click on Import this configuration to upload configuration from PC to PRIMA VA To reinitialize configuration to factory default settings WARNING Please note that all settings will be erased Click on Reset...

Страница 23: ...Free capacity for audio files storage according to already uploaded audio files To check which audio files have been already stored on PRIMA VA Click on Select file scroll list To store a new audio file into PRIMA VA Click on Parcourir or Browse to select audio file to store Click on Import to store selected audio file into PRIMA VA New audio file appears in the Select file scroll list To delete a...

Страница 24: ...ge is referenced by its number between 1 and 100 as defined in Select message scroll list To configure a message Select a message in the Select message scroll list Selecting a message already configured message name is not Undefined allows to modify its settings Selecting an Undefined message in the scroll list allows to setup a new message It is possible to configure messages 2 7 33 and 66 only C...

Страница 25: ...quence File 1 repeat Read Write Repetition index of first audio file in the sequence New file select Read Write Next audio file to be played in the sequence New file repeat Read Write Repetition index of next audio file in the sequence Only audio files which have been already stored into PRIMA VA can be assigned to a message More than one audio files can be assigned to a message all these messages...

Страница 26: ...26 2020 ATEÏS Europe B V To erase all messages Click on Erase all messages ...

Страница 27: ...1 Line 2 Read Write 100V loudspeaker line 2 Line 3 Read Write 100V loudspeaker line 3 Line 4 Read Write 100V loudspeaker line 4 Line 5 Read Write 100V loudspeaker line 5 Line 6 Read Write 100V loudspeaker line 6 0 dB output Read Write Balanced 0dB output to send audio signal to third party equipment Stop Message Read Write Stop message triggered by Evacuation button Fault if not connected Read Wri...

Страница 28: ...visual and acoustic indicators Refer to How to check visual and acoustic indicators section To trigger evacuation message from Evacuation button Select a message in the Select message scroll list Select in which audio outputs evacuation message has to be played Click on Apply changes to save modifications To configure where to page from Fireman microphone Select in which audio outputs Fireman micr...

Страница 29: ...nt microphone and 4 audio streams are available on PRIMA VA User decoders 1 to 4 allow to receive 4 simultaneous audio streams from network Regarding audio outputs 6 loudspeaker lines 1 balanced 0vdB output and 2 call stations loudspeakers are available on PRIMA VA 2 user encoders can be configured to stream local PRIMA VA audio inputs on network Refer to Encoder configuration section ...

Страница 30: ...vity Read Write Maximum input level before overload Auto Gain Control Read Write Automatic adjustment of input signal to maintain a constant signal level AGC Max Gain Read Write Maximal gain applied to input signal AGC Target Level Read Write Target level after adjustment Noise Gate Read Write Audio input mute if audio signal is lower than fixed threshold Noise gate threshold 70 dB 24V Phantom Rea...

Страница 31: ...ply changes to save modifications Click on Back to list to jump to Basic config Audio page 6 4 2 To configure front microphone Click on Front Microphone AGC Max Gain and AGC Target Level are displayed only if Auto Gain Control option is selected Static Gain is displayed only if Auto Gain Control option is not selected Parameter Access Description Sensitivity Read Write Maximum input level before o...

Страница 32: ...to Basic config Audio page 6 4 3 To configure call station microphone Click on Call Station 1 or Call station 2 audio inputs Parameter Access Description Sensitivity Read Write Maximum input level before overload Static Gain Read Write Call station microphone gain adjustment Priority Read Write Call station priority Lowest priority 0 Highest priority 100 Monitored Read Write Call station monitorin...

Страница 33: ...odulation detection on user decoder Activity Threshold Read Write Input signal level to unmute user decoder Activity Hold Time Read Write Time before audio input release if no modulation detection Monitored Read Write Pilot ton detection Fault report if no pilot tone detection Monitoring Threshold Read Write Pilot ton level to be detected Monitoring Time out Read Write Time before fault report if ...

Страница 34: ...t relative level for music sources permanent routing or music command Permanent music source Read Write Audio input selection to route permanently on loudspeaker line analog audio input or user decoder Paging or music relative level means attenuation relatively to evacuation level Example Evacuation level is set to 6 dB Paging gain is set to 3 dB that means paging level is 9 dB Music gain is set t...

Страница 35: ...ine pilot tone can be set to have this 0dB output controlled by third party equipment Level Read Write Pilot tone output level Frequency Read Write Pilot tone sine frequency Paging or music relative level means attenuation relatively to evacuation level Example Evacuation level is set to 6 dB Paging gain is set to 3 dB that means paging level is 9 dB Music gain is set to 9 dB that means music leve...

Страница 36: ...s Parameter Access Description Evacuation level Read Write Output absolute level for all inputs which are defined as Evacuation inputs Paging gain Read Write Output relative level for all paging inputs which are not defined as Evacuation Music gain Read Write Output relative level for music sources permanent routing or music command Evacuation Read Write Evacuation sources are played on call stati...

Страница 37: ...tion inputs Paging gain Read Write Output relative level for all paging inputs which are not defined as Evacuation Music gain Read Write Output relative level for music sources permanent routing or music command Evacuation Read Write Evacuation sources are played on front speaker depending on source and minimum priority Paging Read Write Paging sources are played on front speaker depending on sour...

Страница 38: ...ders SIP Calls Gain is controlling level only on SIP calls Parameter Access Description Master Level Read Write Master absolute level maximal level on PRIMA VA Music Gain Read Write Master relative gain for all music sources permanent routing or music command Normal Preset Read Write Master level controlled by Normal variable refer to Advanced config Variables section Night Preset Read Write Maste...

Страница 39: ...ain Messages Gain Read Write Master relative gain for all messages gain set on page Messages is relative to this gain IP Streams Gain Read Write Master relative gain for all IP streams gain set on page User Decoder is relative to this gain SIP Calls Gain Read Write Master relative gain for all SIP calls Click on Apply changes to save modifications ...

Страница 40: ...ssign commands to these input states ON OFF knob value selector position Click on Basic config Logic I O 6 general purpose logic inputs are available on PRIMA VA rear panel These logic inputs can be configured as logic analog or selector inputs according to third party equipment connected All these inputs can be monitored by installing resistors on contact wired according to following picture ...

Страница 41: ...ter Access Description Mode Read Write Logical ON OFF or Analog or Selector Normally Closed Read Write Normally open default Active if contact closed Normally closed Active if contact open Monitored Read Write 4 states No connection Open Closed Short circuit Fault report if no connection or short circuit Fault when not active Read Write Logic input used as fault report for third party equipment po...

Страница 42: ...e Minimum scaler value if knob is turned on minimum position Value for maximum position Read Write Maximum scaler value if knob is turned on maximum position Min Read Write Click on Calibrate after turning knob on minimum position Max Read Write Click on Calibrate after turning knob on maximum position Click on Apply changes to save modifications Click on Back to list to jump to Basic config Logic...

Страница 43: ...rite Logical ON OFF Normally Closed Read Write Normally open default Active if contact closed Normally closed Active if contact open Monitored Read Write 4 states No connection Open Closed Short circuit Fault report if no connection or short circuit Fault when not active Read Write Voltage input used as fault report for third party equipment power supply amplifier Repeat Activated Event Read Write...

Страница 44: ...busy out7busy 0dB output music out7music 0dB output evacuation out7evac Audio input X state X 1 to 2 inXstate Audio input X routed X 1 to 2 inXrouted Call station X state X 1 to 2 csXstate Call station X routed X 1 to 2 csXrouted Front microphone state micstate Front microphone routed microuted User decoder X state decXstate User decoder X routed decXrouted Any message routed msgrouted Audio encod...

Страница 45: ... Vnactive2 Vox Net system fault vnfault Vox Net global evacuation vngloevac AC mains presence mains AC DC mains power supply ac 24V DC power supply dc Power supply fuses fuses All amplifiers lines global status ampline Amplifier line X status X 1 to 6 amplineX Front microphone connection micconn NTP state ntpstate Program P enabled P Program ID Penabled ...

Страница 46: ...ample Assigned command scripts on remin1on variable event are executed when logic input 1 is activated Events list is predefined for built in variables according to variable type It is also possible to create user defined events linked to user defined variables Refer to Advanced config Variables section to create user variables Click on Basic config Events ...

Страница 47: ...e following command is executed route src msg1 dst 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Message 1 msg1 according to message list Basic config Messages is routed on zones 1 to 6 dst 1 2 3 4 5 6 and 0 dB output dst 7 Refer to ATEIS VNB command framework document to get command syntax Click on Apply changes to save modifications Click on Clear actions to delete all assigned commands on editor Click on Back to list to jump ...

Страница 48: ...nected Read Write Fault report if call station disconnected Report Faults Read Write PRIMA VA fault description displayed on call station Buzzer Read Write Buzzer activated in case of new fault Chime Read Write Chime message assigned to call station Triggered by pressing PSS G2 call station CHIME button Message 1 to 4 Read Write Messages assigned to call station Controlled on PSS G2 call station M...

Страница 49: ...ponding music sources in selected zones o Music Zone Volume Increases music level in selected zones step value in dB o Music Zone Volume Decreases music level in selected zones step value in dB o Speaker Volume Increases call station speaker level o Speaker Volume Decreases call station speaker level o Show Boolean Variable Shows status of defined Boolean variable ON OFF o Toggle Boolean Variable ...

Страница 50: ...te program and to enable disable program To create a new program Enter a program name Program ID and a program description Description Click on Create new program New program appears now in program list To set program parameters Click on Edit To synchronize scheduler programs with official date time connect PRIMA VA to a local NTP server or to Internet and set NTP server address in Advanced config...

Страница 51: ...ogram is triggered Times means number of repetitions during the day Period Read Write Repetition period to trigger program Format is HH MM SS Days Read Write Selected days on which program is triggered Picture example Program is triggered from Wednesday 7 Apr 2020 Start Date without any stop date Never ending every Mondays to Fridays selected Days every hour Period from 08 00 00 Start Time to 18 0...

Страница 52: ... on zones 1 to 6 dst 1 2 3 4 5 6 and 0 dB output dst 7 Refer to ATEIS VNB command framework document to get command syntax Click on Apply changes to save modifications Click on Clear actions to delete all assigned commands on editor Click on Back to list to jump to Basic config Scheduler page To delete a program Click on Delete To enable disable a program Click on Enable Disable ...

Страница 53: ...ackup amplifiers Parameter Access Description Power mode Read Write Power supply monitoring AC only DC only or AC and DC Frequency Read Write Monitoring frequency for impedance measurement 20 or 22k Hz Gain tolerance Read Write Difference between amplifier gain measure and reference before fault report Impedance tolerance Read Write Difference between loudspeaker line impedance measure and referen...

Страница 54: ...dance reference by 22k Hz pilot tone Click on Reference to take a new reference on corresponding amplifier and loudspeaker line Click on Clear to clear reference on corresponding amplifier and loudspeaker line Click on All on reference column to take a new reference for all amplifiers and loudspeaker lines Click on All on Clear column to clear references for all amplifiers and loudspeaker lines Cl...

Страница 55: ...ic input 5 allows to select one of three multicast streams to play background music on loudspeaker lines 1 and 2 Multicast streams are following 239 240 1 1 9001 239 240 1 2 9002 239 240 1 3 9003 First step would be to create a user variable Click on Advanced config Variables To create a new user variable Enter a variable name Variable ID and a variable description Description Select a variable ty...

Страница 56: ...age Reset value Read Write Set variable to default value or save variable current value in configuration file Click on Apply changes to save modifications Click on Back to list to jump to Advanced config Variable page Click on Basic config Events to assign values to selector positions and to play selected stream on loudspeaker lines 1 and 2 Click on Edit action to assign command scripts to remin5i...

Страница 57: ...is3 event would be set MusicStream 239 240 1 3 9003 Click on Apply changes to save modifications Click on Clear actions to delete all assigned commands on editor Click on Back to list to jump to Basic config Events page Click on Edit action to assign command scripts to musicstreamchanged event If MusicStream variable value has changed because of new selector position musicstreamchanged event is tr...

Страница 58: ...multaneously Commands are very useful if PRIMA VA is controlled by third party equipment Example A third party equipment triggers a message stored on PRIMA VA Click on Advanced config Variables To create a new user command Enter a command name Command ID Click on Clear new user command New command appears now in command list playmessage command has been created on previous example To set command s...

Страница 59: ...d in command script according to replacement syntax parameter Script route src msg messagenumber dst 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 is playing messagenumber message on all loudspeaker lines and 0dB output Click on Apply changes to save modifications Click on Clear actions to delete all assigned commands on editor Click on Back to list to jump to Advanced config Commands page Third party equipment has to send follo...

Страница 60: ...d only if User defined microphone type option is selected Parameter Access Description Mode Read Write ON OFF Microphone type Read Write ATEÏS NSM or another user defined sensing microphone Microphone sensitivity Read Write Microphone sensitivity for user defined sensing microphone Audio input Read Write Analog audio input 1 or 2 or user decoder if sensing microphone is connected to another device...

Страница 61: ...ity Read Write Encoder is active only if audio activity is detected on input Timeout Read Write Time before encoder deactivation if no audio activity detected Threshold Read Write Input signal level to deactivate encoder Format Read Write MP3 Speex Linear PCM G 711 A law G 711 mu law G 722 G729ab Frequency Read Write Frequency values are depending on format Bit Rate Read Write Bit rate values are ...

Страница 62: ...ect automatically under which format streams have been encoded Auto Detect option on Format Parameter Access Description Mode Read Write OFF decoder is inactive Raw UDP or RTP streaming protocol Format Read Write Auto Detect MP3 Speex Linear PCM G 711 A law G 711 mu law G 722 G729ab Fault if time out Read Write Fault report if no packets have been received before time out Min packets in Buffer Rea...

Страница 63: ...eceive to from third party equipment In that case a fault report can be activated in case connection is not active refer to Troubleshooting section It is also possible to connect PRIMA VA to an NTP server to synchronize PRIMA VA date and time Click on Advanced config Network Parameter Access Description Fault if link down Read Write Fault report if network connection is not active NTP Server Read ...

Страница 64: ...SIP user accounts Click on Advanced config SIP To create a new SIP user account Enter a user account and a account name Click on Create a new account New account appears now in SIP user accounts list To set SIP user account parameters Click on Edit ...

Страница 65: ...65 2020 ATEÏS Europe B V Target port and Target address are displayed only if Send audio mix stream option is selected ...

Страница 66: ...lly if it receives a SIP call Acoustic Echo Cancellation Read Write To avoid feedback in case of intercom calls Send audio mix stream Read Write Send conversation on IP stream On new incoming call Read Write Busy or Queue management for new incoming calls Call timeout Read Write Timeout for outgoing calls if no answer from partner Any activity Read Write A variable event is created to detect any a...

Страница 67: ...new fault To silence buzzer press front panel RESET button during 1 second 8 2 How to test indicators All front panel LEDs buzzer and status outputs Evacuation and Fault can be tested To test all indicators press front panel RESET button during 3 seconds All indicators will be active as long as RESET button is pressed ...

Страница 68: ...t description AC mains presence Mains AC power supply is missing Variable mains Fault activation Power mode Basic config Monitoring page Points to check PRIMA VA is connected to mains power supply power cord Fuse located in mains power supply plug is not burnt AC power supply breaker located in power distribution cabinet is not down AC DC mains power supply No DC on AC DC converter output Variable...

Страница 69: ...faulty Audio Fault message Fault description Front microphone state Fireman microphone capsule is faulty Variable micstate Fault activation Monitored Basic config Audio Front microphone page Points to check PRIMA VA front microphone is connected to front panel XLR plug Audio input X state No audio signal received on input X Variable inXstate Fault activation Monitored Basic config Audio Audio inpu...

Страница 70: ...lineX Fault activation Monitored Basic config Monitoring page Points to check Loudspeaker line X is connected to Line X on rear panel Check loudspeaker line X wiring Line X short circuit A short circuit is detected on loudspeaker line X Variable amplineX Fault activation Monitored Basic config Monitoring page Points to check Check loudspeaker line X wiring Line X impedance Loudspeaker line impedan...

Страница 71: ...IMA VA is connected to network RJ45 cable Interface settings Vox Net server address are correct Vox Net system fault General fault on Vox Net system fault report Variable vnfault Fault activation Local fault on Vox Net fault Advanced config Vox net page Points to check Check Vox Net server to get fault details Call stations Fault message Fault description PSS G2 connection No communication with PS...

Страница 72: ...RIMA VA Variable firmware Fault activation Not configurable Points to check Update firmware System Firmware page Firmware wrong CRC Firmware file is corrupted or not complete Variable firmware Fault activation Not configurable Points to check Update firmware System Firmware page Contact your ATEÏS dealer for support if firmware update not successful Configuration file not found No configuration fi...

Страница 73: ...c1 Fault activation Not configurable Points to check Contact your ATEÏS dealer for support Secondary CODEC 2 Secondary CODEC 2 is faulty or not accessible Variable codec2 Fault activation Not configurable Points to check Contact your ATEÏS dealer for support Amplifiers GPIO Amplifiers GPIO are faulty or not accessible Variable ampgpio Fault activation Not configurable Points to check Contact your ...

Страница 74: ...ivation Not configurable Points to check Contact your ATEÏS dealer for support LED Driver LED Driver is faulty or not accessible Variable leddriver Fault activation Not configurable Points to check Contact your ATEÏS dealer for support ...

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