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Venu V2 Series User Guide V1.0

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A.4 Venu 12 V2 specifications

Frequency response

60 Hz - 22 kHz ±3 dB

Efficiency

1

98 dB 1W/1m

Crossover points

2.1 kHz passive

Nominal impedance

8 

:

Power handling

2

400 W AES

Maximum output

3

124 dB cont, 127 dB peak

Driver configuration

1 x 12” LF, 1 x 1” HF compression driver

Dispersion

90°-40°H x 60°V rotatable

Connectors

1 x Phoenix with link out
1 x speakON™ with link out

Height 

522 mm (20.6”)

Width

370 mm (14.6”)

Depth

340 mm (13.4”)

Weight

22 kg (48.5 lbs)

Enclosure

15 mm birch plywood

Finish

Textured polyurethane

Grill

Perforated steel with foam filter

Rigging

Yoke bracket positions
4 x M8 fixing points for type 80 plate
Optional top hat

1

 Measured in half space 

2

 AES2 - 1984 compliant 

3

 Calculated

Figure A.7: Horizontal directivity isobars

Figure A.8: Vertical directivity isobars

9 Appendix A: Specifications

Summary of Contents for Venu 10 V2

Page 1: ...Venu V2 Series User Guide V1 0 ...

Page 2: ... without notice For the latest online version visit www voidacoustics com Void Acoustics and the Void logo are registered trademarks of Void Acoustics Research Ltd in the United Kingdom USA and other countries all other Void trademarks are the property of Void Acoustics Research Ltd ...

Page 3: ...esign principles 13 6 2 High frequency loudspeaker placement and positioning 14 6 3 Typical operating modes for low frequency enclosures 17 6 4 Venu to bass alignment 18 6 5 Asymmetrical waveguide orientation 19 7 Mounting 20 7 1 Installation safety 20 7 2 Wall mounting portrait mode 21 7 3 Wall mounting in landscape mode 23 7 4 High frequency enclosure ceiling mounting 25 7 5 Yoke bracket mountin...

Page 4: ...e is provided to help familiarise the user with the loudspeaker system and its accessories It is not intended to provide comprehensive electrical fire mechanical and noise training and is not a substitute for industry approved training Nor does this guide absolve the user of their obligation to comply with all relevant safety legislation and codes of practice While every care has been taken in crea...

Page 5: ... Service Centre will initiate corrective repairs upon receipt of the returned product Please save the original carton and all the packing materials in case shipping is required All products being returned to the factory or service centre for repairs must be shipped prepaid If the repairs made by Void or the Void Authorised Service Centre are not satisfactory the Owner is instructed to give written...

Page 6: ... are found to be damaged inform the shipping company and inform your dealer When you are removing your Venu V2 loudspeaker from its original packaging All Venu V2 loudspeakers come double boxed and each box is stapled shut take care when unboxing and removing the staples to avoid injury or damage to the loudspeaker If you need to place the Venu V2 loudspeaker on a flat surface ensure you use a lint...

Page 7: ... you years of satisfaction This guide will help you both use this product safely and ensure it performs to its full capability 4 2 Venu V2 Series overview The Venu V2 series has been ingeniously redesigned to ensure this winning range of loudspeakers exceeds the expectation of leading sound installation contractors and integrators around the world A full sleek aesthetic overhaul coupled with funct...

Page 8: ...andards IEC 60332 1 Fire retardancy of a single cable IEC 60332 3C Fire retardancy of bunched cables IEC 60754 1 Amount of Halogen Gas Emissions IEC 60754 2 Degree of acidity of released gases IEC 61034 2 Measurement of smoke density We suggest using the following maximum copper cable lengths to keep level losses below 0 6 dB Metric mm2 Imperial AWG 8 load 4 load 2 load 2 50 mm2 13 AWG 36 m 18 m 9...

Page 9: ...HF LF 1 1 2 2 Figure 5 2 High frequency loudspeaker wiring diagram speakON pins 1 1 speakON pins 2 2 Venu 6 V2 1 HF and 6 5 LF Link out Venu 8 V2 1 HF and 8 LF Link out Venu 10 V2 1 HF and 10 LF Link out Venu 12 V2 1 HF and 12 LF Link out Venu 15 V2 1 HF and 15 LF Link out 5 Cabling and wiring ...

Page 10: ...w frequency loudspeaker wiring diagram speakON pins 1 1 speakON pins 2 2 Venu 112 V2 12 LF Link out Venu 115 V2 15 LF Link out 5 6 Venu 212 and 215 V2 wiring LF LF 1 1 2 2 Figure 5 4 Dual low frequency loudspeaker wiring diagram speakON pins 1 1 speakON pins 2 2 Venu 212 V2 2 x 12 LF Link out Venu 215 V2 2 x 15 LF Link out ...

Page 11: ...ias Q2 Phoenix wiring 1 1 Figure 5 7 Bias Q5 Phoenix speakONTM wiring Bias D1 Q2 Output 1 Max parallel units Venu 6 8 10 12 15 112 115 V2 4 2 load to amplifier Max parallel units Venu 212 215 V2 2 2 load to amplifier Bias Q5 Output 1 Max parallel units Venu 6 8 10 12 15 112 115 V2 4 2 load to amplifier Max parallel units Venu 212 215 V2 2 2 load to amplifier ...

Page 12: ...g 1 1 1 1 Figure 5 10 Bias Q5 speakONTM wiring Bias D1 Q2 Output 1 Max parallel units Venu 6 8 10 12 15 112 115 V2 4 2 load to amplifier Max parallel units Venu 212 215 V2 2 2 load to amplifier Bias Q5 Output 1 Max parallel units Venu 6 8 10 12 15 112 115 V2 4 2 load to amplifier Max parallel units Venu 212 215 V2 2 2 load to amplifier 5 Cabling and wiring ...

Page 13: ...akers in pairs angled at about 40 40 40 6 System design For permanent installation it is recommended to fly Venu V2 loudspeakers for more even coverage This also allows co located low frequency enclosures in a single block increasing sensitivity and providing more consistent bass coverage Figure 6 3 Venu V2 ceiling mounting 6 1 System design principles Venu V2 loudspeakers can be arrayed as a singl...

Page 14: ...e more fill loudspeakers than are necessary to achieve required coverage Following are some basic guidelines when considering the vertical position of your Venu V2 loudspeaker With optimum vertical positioning and aiming applied the loudspeaker system can be used at maximum efficiency With a point source loudspeaker in this configuration the speaker is placed 2m 4m from the ground aimed half way to ...

Page 15: ...ken to counter unwanted room effects Careful positioning and aiming of loudspeakers will minimise room effects while maintaining even coverage throughout the audience area Figure 6 6 Multi point loudspeaker arrangement Audience Stage Figure 6 7 Correct horizontal dispersion In the horizontal plane rotate the Venu V2 Series loudspeakers toward the audience area at an angle such that the centre line...

Page 16: ...n aiming angle In this case a large portion of energy is directed at the ceiling that could result in reduced intelligibility and unwanted room acoustic characteristics The shallow angle of attack will also induce refraction issues on a hot dance floor leading to reduced HF penetration at mid and far distances again reducing intelligibility and coherence Audience Stage Avoid directing the Venu V2 S...

Page 17: ...typical operating modes for low frequency enclosures the Venu V2 Series low frequency enclosures design lends itself to wide range of configurations Simple planer arrays and stacks to directional and steerable arrays are possible given suitable electronics and presets Contact your local Void distributor dealer for more information Figure 6 11 Typical mode layouts 6 System design ...

Page 18: ...y time per metre Or A D x 2 9 ms m delay time E A D Figure 6 14 Bass alignment example 2 6 System design All four loudspeakers sit on a circle of radius R with its centre point at O The low frequency enclosure is situated at a distance A from the origin and a distance B from the circumference of the circle The distance B will determine the delay required for the low frequency enclosure of 2 9 ms p...

Page 19: ...ide orientation Due to the asymmetrical nature of the high frequency waveguide it must be orientated correctly The narrow end of the waveguide creates the wider dispersion and should always be facing down as shown in the figure below Figure 6 15 Asymmetrical waveguide orientation ...

Page 20: ...f wall brackets Remember that all personnel have a duty of care to themselves to their assistants to the venue staff and to the public Before lifting any part of the system above head height check the whole rig for loose tools or other items that may fall and cause injury Do not use a telephone even if hands free while rigging Always concentrate fully on the rigging operation Do not rig equipment ...

Page 21: ...u bolt removal Step 1 Remove all four M8 bolts from the rear of the loudspeaker Step 2 Remove the front of the bracket from the main bracket assembly Attach the rear of the bracket assembly to the wall making sure all 4 bolts are fitted Take care when mounting the bracket to the wall making sure to use the correct fixing and that the wall can take the load for example do not attach the bracket to a ...

Page 22: ... four M8 bolts Step 4 Lower the speaker assembly on to the rear of the bracket assembly and fix the bolt into the rear of assembly Figure 7 6b Bracket adjustment Figure 7 6a Bracket adjustment Step 5 Adjust the bracket in the horizontal axis by loosening the bolt at the rear of the assembly figure 7 6a and in the vertical axis by adjusting the bolt on the base of the assembly figure 7 6b 7 2 Mounting...

Page 23: ...r rotating the horn as described in section 7 6 remove all four M8 bolts from the rear of the loudspeaker Step 2 Remove the front of the bracket from the main bracket assembly Attach the rear of the bracket assembly to the wall making sure all 4 bolts are fitted Take care when mounting the bracket to the wall making sure to use the correct fixing and that the wall can take the load for example do no...

Page 24: ... Lower the speaker assembly on to the rear of the bracket assembly and adjust the bracket so that loudspeaker is in the required position Figure 7 12b Bracket adjustment Figure 7 12a Bracket adjustment Step 5 Adjust the bracket in the horizontal axis by loosening the bolt at the rear of the assembly figure 7 12a and in the vertical axis by adjusting the bolt on the base of the assembly figure 7 12b ...

Page 25: ... Mount Bracket Figure 7 14 Venu bolt removal Step 1 Remove all four M8 bolts from the rear of the loudspeaker Step 2 Lift the loudspeaker into position and attach all four M8 bolts Take care when mounting the bracket to the ceiling making sure to use the correct fixing and that the ceiling can take the load for example do not attach the bracket to a suspended ceiling Figure 7 15 Fixing bracket ...

Page 26: ... loudspeaker Figure 7 17 Loudspeaker positioning Step 3 With the lifting gear in place adjust the angle of the bracket using the bolt on the bracket assembly Step 4 Tighten the bolt on the bracket to fix the loudspeaker in position 7 4 High frequency enclosure ceiling mount ...

Page 27: ...igure 7 19 Yoke adjustment Step 1 Begin by fixing the yoke by the central bolt hole and adjusting the position until the yoke is in the required position Step 2 Fix the yoke into position by fitting the remaining bolts Take care when mounting the yoke to the wall ceiling making sure to use the correct fixing and that it can take the load for example do not attach the yoke to a stud wall Figure 7 20 Y...

Page 28: ...gure 7 22 Loudspeaker fitting Step 4 Lift the loudspeaker into position Do NOT use the countersunk M8 bolts from the Venu loudspeaker but instead use the M8 bolts supplied with the yoke bracket Fit the M8 bolts but do not tighten Step 5 Rotate the loudspeaker into position and then tighten the bolts Figure 7 23 Loudspeaker positioning 7 5 Yoke bracket mounting ...

Page 29: ...tep 1 Remove all eight M4 bolts from the side of the cabinet Figure 7 25 Grill removal Step 2 Loosen but do not remove the four M6 bolts at the top and bottom of cabinet and carefully remove the grille Step 3 Remove all four M5 bolts from around the horn Figure 7 26 Removing horn screws ...

Page 30: ...on 6 5 for horn orientation guidelines Figure 7 28 Grille replacement Step 5 Replace the grille and tighten the M6 bolts at the top and bottom of the cabinet and insert all eight M4 bolts in the side Step 6 Rotate the badge to the desired orientation by lifting and turning 90 The badge will locate automatically once in position Figure 7 29 Badge rotation 7 6 Horn rotation ...

Page 31: ...s WHD75 bracket Figure 7 31 Nut removal Step 1 Remove the type 75 plate from the WHD75 by removing the M12 bolt Take care when mounting the WHD75 to the wall making sure to use the correct fixing and that it can take the load for example do not attach the yoke to a stud wall Step 2 Remove all four M8 countersunk bolts from the bottom of the loudspeaker Figure 7 32 Bolt removal ...

Page 32: ...Step 4 Attach the type 75 plate to the loudspeaker using the M8 socket cap bolts supplied with the bracket Figure 7 34 Loudspeaker fixing Step 5 Raise the loudspeaker into position and attach the M12 nut Step 6 Rotate the loudspeaker into the desired position and tighten the M12 bolt Figure 7 35 Loudspeaker positioning ...

Page 33: ...or use with Venu 112 115 V2 Part required see Appendix D for part numbers Air series ceiling bracket Figure 7 37 Nut removal Step 1 Remove the type 75 plate from the Air series ceiling bracket by removing the M12 bolt Step 2 Remove all four M8 counter sink bolts from the bottom of the loudspeaker Figure 7 38 Bolt removal ...

Page 34: ...oudspeaker using the M8 socket cap bolts supplied with the bracket Figure 7 40 Loudspeaker fixing Step 5 Raise the loudspeaker into position and attach the M12 nut Step 6 Rotate the loudspeaker into the desired position and tighten the M12 bolt Figure 7 41 Loudspeaker positioning 7 8 Low frequency enclosure ceiling mount ...

Page 35: ...eavy duty top hat For use with Venu 112 212 115 215 V2 Part required see Appendix D for part numbers Heavy Duty Top Hat Figure 7 43 Cover plate removal Step 1 Remove all four M6 bolts and remove the cover plate Step 2 Insert the Heavy Duty Top Hat and replace all four M6 bolts Figure 7 44 Top hat placement ...

Page 36: ...7 45 Venu V2 top hat For use with Venu 6 8 10 12 15 V2 Part required see Appendix D for part numbers Venu V2 Top Hat Figure 7 46 Cover plate removal Step 1 Remove all three M6 bolts and remove the cover plate Step 2 Insert the Venu V2 Top Hat and replace all three M6 bolts Figure 7 47 Top hat placement ...

Page 37: ... your dealer will need to see a copy of your sales receipt as proof of purchase so please have this to hand when applying for return authorisation 8 2 Shipping and packing considerations When sending a Void Venu V2 Series loudspeaker to an authorised service centre please write a detailed description of the fault and list any other equipment used in conjunction with the faulty product Accessories ...

Page 38: ... compression driver Dispersion 90 H x 60 V rotatable Connectors 1 x Phoenix with link out 1 x speakON with link out Height 372 mm 14 6 Width 224 mm 8 8 Depth 202 mm 8 Weight 9 5 kg 20 9 lbs Enclosure 15 mm birch plywood Finish Textured polyurethane Grill Perforated steel with foam filter Rigging Yoke bracket positions 4 x M8 fixing points for type 80 plate Optional top hat 1 Measured in half space 2...

Page 39: ...ompression driver Dispersion 90 40 H x 60 V rotatable Connectors 1 x Phoenix with link out 1 x speakON with link out Height 415 mm 16 3 Width 245 mm 9 6 Depth 228 mm 9 Weight 12 kg 26 5 lbs Enclosure 15 mm birch plywood Finish Textured polyurethane Grill Perforated steel with foam filter Rigging Yoke bracket positions 4 x M8 fixing points for type 80 plate Optional top hat 1 Measured in half space 2...

Page 40: ...mpression driver Dispersion 90 40 H x 60 V rotatable Connectors 1 x Phoenix with link out 1 x speakON with link out Height 469 mm 18 5 Width 301 mm 11 9 Depth 260 mm 10 2 Weight 16 kg 35 3 lbs Enclosure 15 mm birch plywood Finish Textured polyurethane Grill Perforated steel with foam filter Rigging Yoke bracket positions 4 x M8 fixing points for type 80 plate Optional top hat 1 Measured in half spac...

Page 41: ... 90 40 H x 60 V rotatable Connectors 1 x Phoenix with link out 1 x speakON with link out Height 522 mm 20 6 Width 370 mm 14 6 Depth 340 mm 13 4 Weight 22 kg 48 5 lbs Enclosure 15 mm birch plywood Finish Textured polyurethane Grill Perforated steel with foam filter Rigging Yoke bracket positions 4 x M8 fixing points for type 80 plate Optional top hat 1 Measured in half space 2 AES2 1984 compliant 3 C...

Page 42: ...ompression driver Dispersion 90 40 H x 60 V rotatable Connectors 1 x Phoenix with link out 1 x speakON with link out Height 670 mm 26 4 Width 458 mm 18 Depth 381 mm 15 Weight 31 kg 68 3 lbs Enclosure 15 mm birch plywood Finish Textured polyurethane Grill Perforated steel with foam filter Rigging Yoke bracket positions 4 x M8 fixing points for type 80 plate Optional top hat 1 Measured in half space 2...

Page 43: ...nnectors 1 x Phoenix with link out 1 x speakON with link out Height 370 mm 14 6 Width 490 mm 19 3 Depth 430 mm 16 9 Weight 24 kg 52 9 lbs Enclosure 15 mm birch plywood Finish Textured polyurethane Grill Perforated steel with foam filter Rigging Yoke bracket positions 4 x M8 bolts for type 75 plate Optional M20 top hat for pole mount 1 Measured in half space 2 AES2 1984 compliant 3 Calculated Figure...

Page 44: ...x Phoenix with link out 1 x speakON with link out Height 370 mm 14 6 Width 780 mm 30 7 Depth 490 mm 19 3 Weight 44 5 kg 98 1 lbs Enclosure 15 mm birch plywood Finish Textured polyurethane Grill Perforated steel with foam filter Rigging Yoke bracket positions Optional M20 top hat for pole mount 1 Measured in half space 2 AES2 1984 compliant 3 Calculated 10 100 20 50 200 500 1k 2k 5k 10k 20k 10 20 30...

Page 45: ...Connectors 1 x Phoenix with link out 1 x speakON with link out Height 446 mm 17 6 Width 448 mm 17 6 Depth 636 mm 25 Weight 35 kg 77 2 lbs Enclosure 15 mm birch plywood Finish Textured polyurethane Grill Perforated steel with foam filter Rigging Yoke bracket positions 4 x M8 bolts for type 75 plate Optional M20 top hat for pole mount 1 Measured in half space 2 AES2 1984 compliant 3 Calculated 10 100...

Page 46: ... Connectors 1 x Phoenix with link out 1 x speakON with link out Height 446 mm 17 6 Width 860 mm 33 9 Depth 636 mm 25 Weight 62 5 kg 137 8 lbs Enclosure 15 mm birch plywood Finish Textured polyurethane Grill Perforated steel with foam filter Rigging Optional M20 top hat for pole mount 1 Measured in half space 2 AES2 1984 compliant 3 Calculated 9 Appendix A Specifications Figure C 4 Venu 215 impedance...

Page 47: ...Venu V2 Series User Guide V1 0 Page 47 B 2 Venu 8 V2 dimensions 4 POS 415 16 3 Figure B 2 Venu 8 V2 dimensions B 1 Venu 6 V2 dimensions 4 POS Figure B 1 Venu 6 V2 dimensions 10 Appendix B Dimensions ...

Page 48: ...Venu V2 Series User Guide V1 0 Page 48 B 4 Venu 12 V2 dimensions 4 POS Figure B 4 Venu 12 V2 dimensions B 3 Venu 10 V2 dimensions 4 POS Figure B 3 Venu 10 V2 dimensions 10 Appendix B Dimensions ...

Page 49: ...Venu V2 Series User Guide V1 0 Page 49 B 6 Venu 112 V2 dimensions Figure B 6 Venu 112 V2 dimensions 10 Appendix B Dimensions B 5 Venu 15 V2 dimensions 4 POS 4 POS 4 POS Figure B 5 Venu 15 V2 dimensions ...

Page 50: ...0 Page 50 B 7 Venu 212 V2 dimensions Figure B 7 Venu 212 V2 dimensions B 8 Venu 115 V2 dimensions 448 17 6 448 17 6 448 17 6 636 25 636 25 636 25 446 17 6 454 17 9 454 17 9 Figure B 8 Venu 115 V2 dimensions 10 Appendix B Dimensions ...

Page 51: ...Venu V2 Series User Guide V1 0 Page 51 10 Appendix B Dimensions B 9 Venu 215 V2 dimensions Figure B 9 Venu 215 V2 dimensions ...

Page 52: ...ure Performance specifications for a typical production unit shall be as follows the usable on axis bandwidth shall be 75 Hz to 19 kHz 3 dB and shall average 90 directivity pattern on the horizontal axis and 60 on the vertical one 6 dB down from on axis level from 1 kHz to 12 kHz and a maximum SPL of 121 dB peak measured at 1 m using IEC268 5 pink noise The high frequency transducer shall project i...

Page 53: ... production unit shall be as follows the usable on axis bandwidth shall be 70 Hz to 20 kHz 3 dB and shall average 90 to 60 directivity pattern on the horizontal axis and 60 on the vertical one 6 dB down from on axis level from 1 kHz to 12 kHz and a maximum SPL of 124 dB peak measured at 1 m using IEC268 5 pink noise The high frequency transducer shall project it s sound through an asymmetrical hor...

Page 54: ...oduction unit shall be as follows the usable on axis bandwidth shall be 65 Hz to 20 kHz 3 dB and shall average 90 to 60 directivity pattern on the horizontal axis and 60 on the vertical one 6 dB down from on axis level from 1 kHz to 12 kHz and a maximum SPL of 126 dB peak measured at 1 m using IEC268 5 pink noise The high frequency transducer shall project it s sound through an asymmetrical horn w...

Page 55: ...production unit shall be as follows the usable on axis bandwidth shall be 60 Hz to 20 kHz 3 dB and shall average 90 to 60 directivity pattern on the horizontal axis and 60 on the vertical one 6 dB down from on axis level from 1 kHz to 12 kHz and a maximum SPL of 127 dB peak measured at 1 m using IEC268 5 pink noise The high frequency transducer shall project it s sound through an asymmetrical horn...

Page 56: ...production unit shall be as follows the usable on axis bandwidth shall be 50 Hz to 20 kHz 3 dB and shall average 90 to 60 directivity pattern on the horizontal axis and 60 on the vertical one 6 dB down from on axis level from 1 kHz to 12 kHz and a maximum SPL of 128 dB peak measured at 1 m using IEC268 5 pink noise The high frequency transducer shall project it s sound through an asymmetrical horn...

Page 57: ...screw down terminals one pair for input and one pair for link through to another loudspeaker to provide secure wiring and allow for pre wiring of the connector before the installation this connector should then screw lock to the enclosure for secure attachment In addition a Neutrik speakON NL4 shall also feature Performance specifications of a typical production unit shall be as follows frequency r...

Page 58: ...crew down terminals one pair for input and one pair for link through to another loudspeaker to provide secure wiring and allow for pre wiring of the connector before the installation this connector should then screw lock to the enclosure for secure attachment In addition a Neutrik speakON NL4 shall also feature Performance specifications of a typical production unit shall be as follows frequency re...

Page 59: ...crew down terminals one pair for input and one pair for link through to another loudspeaker to provide secure wiring and allow for pre wiring of the connector before the installation this connector should then screw lock to the enclosure for secure attachment In addition a Neutrik speakON NL4 shall also feature Performance specifications of a typical production unit shall be as follows frequency re...

Page 60: ...itivity 1000 W long term program per voice coil using EIA RS 426A pink noise 6 dB crest factor pressure sensitivity of 99 dB at one Watt 100 Hz 10 kHz at one metre rated nominal impedance of 4 The low frequency transducer shall be constructed on a cast aluminium frame with a treated paper cone 101 6 mm 4 voice wound with copper wire on a high quality voice coil former for high power handling and l...

Page 61: ...ack Venu 6 IT1109 IT1107 IT1106 IT1105 IT2765 Venu 8 IT1109 IT1107 IT3099 IT1131 IT1106 IT1105 IT2765 Venu 10 IT1115 IT1114 IT2300 IT1129 IT1106 IT1105 IT2765 Venu 12 IT1115 IT1114 IT2023 IT1130 IT1106 IT1105 IT2765 Venu 15 IT1115 IT1114 IT2942 IT2941 IT1106 IT1105 IT2765 Venu 112 IT1115 IT1114 IT2921 IT2920 IT1133 IT1132 IT2042 IT2041 Venu 212 IT2924 IT2923 IT2042 IT2041 Venu 115 IT2925 IT2926 IT...

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