Norton 850 Mk 1 1974 Service Notes Download Page 45

OIL 

 

Further note, and explanations to the notes on page 28. When the Norton twin cylinder engine came 
about in 1949 we had monograde oils only, therefore the design took this into account. the oil lubricated 
the parts and helped with the cooling, especially the cylinder head. The dirt from Combustion would 
usually end up in the oil tank its sludge, to he re-circulated in varying degrees. Not a marvellous state to 
he in. In winter we used an SAE 30 and in summer, 40. 
 
In time the oil companies came up with "Multigrades' by adding viscosity improvers, i.e. we had a 20 
grade oil at 0°C which has additives which stop it becoming thinner than a 50 grade at 100°F also we 
have further additives such as detergents. The advantages here are not quite what they seem. The 
detergents hold the dirt in suspension, i.e. it continues to circulate and do it's 'thing', the only real 
advantage here is that at least most of he contaminants and rubbish come out with the next oil change. 
The real advantage that can he gained is by fitting an oil filter, as on the Interstate- in 1973. This allows 
some extension of oil change periods, but not too far because of the viscosity improvers. When these 
break down after u few thousand miles we are left with a 20 grade base oil. not clever stuff. Not at 110 at 
110 anyway. (° and mph, that is.) 
 
Also as the multigrade is based for cars with a lower BHP litre ratios and water cooled motor,, the 
temperatures are reasonable with the additives lasting up to 100°('• but air cooled. high BHP/litre engines 
can easily generate 130°C in the oil tanks while big end-, can he 50oC higher What value our multigrade 
now? Some of the additives are also highly volatile! Another point is high piston and ring speeds, these 
tend to shear these additives also. 
 
What can you do? Use a heavy duty monograde 30 in winter, 50 summer as page 28. fit an oil filter and 
keep to regular oil changes, certainly don't lengthen the oil change periods. The camshaft apexes have 
most pressure exerted on them and these are usually the first signs of trouble with oil, when premature 
wear sets in outside the normal soft camshaft wear on especially the Mark lll. Finally a 20/50 or 15/50 
multigrade is preferable to a cheap non-HD monograde (keep to 2,000 mile oil changes), also not 
recommended is the Castrol 4 stroke Motor Cycle oil known as GP. This is a 10/40W especially for 
Hondas, i.e. engine oil has to circulate around the clutch and they have electric starters and monetary 
wise are more important than Nortons in the motor cycle world.  
 
Most engines seem to survive on the multigrade despite the above, multigrade does more with regard to 
durability and quick-warm-ups 

 

Well it fills a spare! 

 
 

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Summary of Contents for 850 Mk 1 1974

Page 1: ...COMMANDO SERVICE NOTES COMPLETE WITH ELECTRIC START Text Tim Stevens John Hudson Editor Alan Osborn...

Page 2: ...One of the most popular the 750 Interstate 1973 with Combat engine signified by black barrels Photo credit Motor Cycle...

Page 3: ...nels front mudguard scats rear mudguard tanks and instruments 32 Group 20 Exhaust systems 32 Groups 25 26 27 Electrics 32 Group 29 The tool kit 32 Addendum 33 Further model changes 33 Engine main bear...

Page 4: ...Development Shop from 23rd January 1955 initially as a fitter tester finally leaving the NVT complex in the summer of 1976 at its abolition Voted as Life Honorary Member of the Club and President for...

Page 5: ...by machining head double S camshaft fitted Black barrel 32mm carbs Disc brake right hand side behind fork leg Models now Fastback and Roadster 212 278 INTERSTATE Larger black or blue 5 gal tank seat l...

Page 6: ...course the crank should be dismantled and all the sludge scraped out CRANKSHAFTS When having a crank reground specify in writing the size you want and the radius between the crank pins and the webs 0...

Page 7: ...rable here as the nut is shallow and slightly recessed a ring will tend to slip The SS cam mentioned here is the Commando SS cam or double S as used in the Combat engine Interstate as opposed to the C...

Page 8: ...icantly and new rings will restore your oil consumption If the bores are worn enough at this mileage it need boring then change your brand of oil or dare I say it change your oil Greater ring wear wil...

Page 9: ...illa slice so you can hardly keep up with tightening the head bolts They also spread into the push rod holes and rub them away even if they don t rub them from new Copper and aluminum seem incapable o...

Page 10: ...eaks valve springs is not having the right ones PUSHRODS Pushrod ends occasionally come loose but will run happily like this for a While but keep your eye on the rocker adjustment To retain loose push...

Page 11: ...stud are both ruined Ask your local dealer it he stocks either You will note that the size of both nuts from the outside is 1in Whitworth to add to the confusion EXHAUST THREADS The exhaust threads i...

Page 12: ...oks the same with the r counter on the side The proper Commando gasket is thick a bit thicker than the average cornflakes packet and they don t leak oil The paper ones are spurious or Dominator or Atl...

Page 13: ...ame way that early rocker pipes failed We re coming to that The other reason that a pressure gauge isn t much good is really twofold At high speeds and high oil temperatures the pressure can drop to n...

Page 14: ...s tends to cling onto the clutch plates causing drag After a good clean of the plates refilling with Castrolite or similar lightweight oil is preferred Worn exhaust port threads these are very often c...

Page 15: ...troduced later to eliminate some of these faults and 1 would strongly advise any one still with the early type to change Use Nyloc nuts though not the all metal type used on production as you can choc...

Page 16: ...to replace the rubbery hose pipe with plastic on 200 000 series motors I have seen a nylon reinforced pipe melted by the hot oil going up it The other oil differences on late 750s are the elimination...

Page 17: ...gradual wear of the case The bearings sometimes rotate anyway this can be recognized by a polished not ground surface on the outside of the bearing when it is removed No real cure Loctite sometimes w...

Page 18: ...ave an M an the side they are much more reliable If the pawl does break the side bits of the T shape wedge in the bottom gear pinion and the kickstart is carried down on its own and can then stay down...

Page 19: ...vice releases have come to life Here and in other odd corners are the basic facts of importance HEAD GASKETS If there is any trouble keeping the copper one especially oiltight then a smear of Silicon...

Page 20: ...dealers who could tell the same story but perhaps they haven t all got magnetic lintels What happens is this the engine as it rotates produces considerable torsional vibration not just due to the firi...

Page 21: ...n is approached and as the plate goes through the flat position the load drops again for a bit and then rises again as the spring begins to become conical the other way If the dimensions are chosen to...

Page 22: ...hose of you with scientific inclinations can look again at the diaphragm spring diagram to appreciate that a bit of wear on the plates actually increases the clamping load slightly whereas with coil s...

Page 23: ...rder and needs the slide lowering a touch 4 When all is to your satisfaction switch off park the bike in a draught so it cools off and go and have a Castletown Ale 5 Now make sure that both slides ope...

Page 24: ...dle The head steady supports the engine when the back wheel is twisted either way when cornering for instance Please all of you fit the later box section 850 head steady it does not break and it resis...

Page 25: ...S type made for the Americans and one of the faster early models 1970 Note the lack of cush drive rear hub bolt up as Dommie and the T L S front brake Both exhaust pipes up the left side made a beauti...

Page 26: ...st benefit you also need the 850 yokes but the 750 type will fit and give the desirable increased trail It may be appropriate to say a few words about high speed weaves 1 The worst machines arc 750s f...

Page 27: ...t fits the centre tube properly you can hold it in place more firmly using a good strong pair of car exhaust clamps the type which are made of a thick U bolt and a steel pressing Fit these round the t...

Page 28: ...her Then periodical oiling with a Wesco is all that is necessary 1 know NVT say SAE140 or EP90 but I use engine oil if nothing else available any is better than none at all Finally referring once agai...

Page 29: ...wed in and broke off just below the surface The thread is 7 16in x 20 UNF but it is best to drill out the thread in the hanger completely so that in the event of a breakage you can fit the new bit at...

Page 30: ...is interchangeable with elements from Citroen 2CV cars and Simca 1100s the Simca unit is a bit longer than the Citroen job but the thread and so on are identical Fancy a Commando having metric thread...

Page 31: ...he load on two or three halls c The wet gets in causing rust and fretting corrosion For once then they got it right bearings which can t be fitted too loose or tight and which are sealed on both sides...

Page 32: ...scoop removed and welded over success Now the linings you can benefit from by fitting are AM4 green racing but they have to he fitted by on expert and machined exactly to the drum site Also make sure...

Page 33: ...stuck This can even happen if the throttle just sticks especially if the single cable freezes in the outer so it s best to tape the ferrule to the end of the cable This also helps to stop the rain ge...

Page 34: ...connected at either end They go from the headlamp to just behind the head steady and are colored purple and green brown and black and brown and purple If you need a spare bit of wire at the roadside...

Page 35: ...ring 147730 Rear brake drums screwed and riveted 147846 Toughened kickstart pawl 148895 Modified inlet valve guide for oil seals 149670 Oil seat fitted to inlet guide 150120 Oil pump paper gasket fitt...

Page 36: ...available from Gus Kuhn This can also be caused by keeping oil level up to maximum level the oil is then sucked through the air filters and cokes valve stems up causing exhaust valves especially to st...

Page 37: ...fit both models but the 3 phase will need a different rectifier and a new pair of matched Zener diodes fitted Full details from Al Osborn or Les Emery J H Alternator on Mark lll the rotor stator clear...

Page 38: ...ble to lower the gearing to 21T or even a 20T gearbox sprocket see page If fur further details If old ball hearing is worn or has collapsed you must replace layshaft hush in kickstart Sometime in its...

Page 39: ...ntre of its operating arm This only has to be a fraction out for a poor gear change either up or down to result To check you have got it right replace gearbox cover and lever Put machine on its centre...

Page 40: ...dismantling the rear master cylinder and unscrewing the two body halves which have a right hand thread there is a locking alien grub screw below the surface of the body lost in the muck to be removed...

Page 41: ...cam lobe clearance at the crankcase oil fling shroud In addition problems can arise due to valve head diameter valve stem and spring length discrepancies particularly where an early non Combat cylinde...

Page 42: ...0x19 on front riot 4 10x19 REAR SUSPENSION UNITS If you have gut a good handling hike and never carry a passenger then use 100 lb springs on the hardest setting absolutely essential Girling gas shocks...

Page 43: ...n page I and yet for one slide to lag behind the other 3 Close throttle and ensure that both slides lift off their stops at exactly the same time Adjust using the throttle stop screws Ensure that ther...

Page 44: ...rrect even if the carburetion is a bit out Other symptoms to look for 1 Good acceleration in a particular hand but rough cruising which clears the instant the throttle is opened Richness finally leads...

Page 45: ...de base oil not clever stuff Not at 110 at 110 anyway and mph that is Also as the multigrade is based for cars with a lower BHP litre ratios and water cooled motor the temperatures are reasonable with...

Page 46: ...Keep polishing 44...

Page 47: ...The Roadster again fitted with Combat motor Interesting to compare this with the type of 1970 Page 23 Photo credit Motor Cycle 45...

Page 48: ...Published by the Norton Owners Club and printed by Brazier Naish Ltd 202 204 High Road Benflect Essex SS7 5LD...

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