Norton 850 Mk 1 1974 Service Notes Download Page 40

 

GO-FASTER MODS, SILENCERS AND AIRBOXES 

 
As previously mentioned the black cap annular discharge silencers do not significantly reduce power, but 
they must be kept with the balanced exhaust pipes. If you want to fit earlier separate pipes then you must 
fit the earlier reverse cone silencers. The reverse cones can be fitted onto the balanced pipes but with a 
slight loss in power What did restrict performance was the black plastic air box, remove this for a 750 type 
one to gain performance. 
 
Mother lower performance factory modification was the restriction in the inlet valve throat often down to 
29mm, re open to 32mm all through. 
 
750 single pipes can be made to tuck in better. 
 

WHEELS AND BRAKES 

 
WHEELS: Rust from front disc tends to fly off on to the chrome rim and stick there, Clean it off before it 
imbeds itself. Single rot',' wheel hearing retainer is said in manual to have a left-hand thread--not always 
true, Rear wheel bearings tend to disintegrate, suggestion is for an improved roller hearing, as the original 
are not scaled type. Rear axle material appears inadequate in most cases. (I broke one once at 80--quite 
fun TRS ) Some rear bearings are the sealed type. 
 
REAR DISC CALIPER: Needs yearly dismantling and cleaning out, (not a bad idea for all hydraulics). 
Disc pads, especially rear, could benefit by a dab of silicone grease on their rear (non friction surface). 
The front brake can be improved by refitting in the back of fork leg as in Mk 1 and MK (I. Master cylinder 
on handle bar, if there is fluid leak due to the poor seals, do replace them as it has been known for fluid to 
get the wrong side of piston and LOCK front brake on! (I cannot see how this could possibly happen even 
though I worked for Lockheed for four years TRS). On dismantling the rear master cylinder and 
unscrewing the two body halves which have a right-hand thread, there is a locking alien grub screw below 
the surface of the body, lost in the muck to be removed first. Some rear wheel retainers have a right-hand 
thread. This hag worked loose a few times, allowing the cush drive back plate to rattle The Last time it 
started rattling I tried to tighten it up but found it was already tight. The problem seems to be that the steel 
bearing retainer has worn into the alloy cush drive centre. This is because the retainer is screwed up solid 
but the cush drive centre moves in its rubbers. 
 
On re-assembly of master cylinder take care, as you screw the two halves together. a fraction too far and 
the push-rod begins to operate the master cylinder, whose first move is to block up the return hole for 
brake fluid, when in use heat expand-, brake fluid which cannot return to reservoir, therefore pressure 
builds up in the system, which applies the brake! It can be very embarrasing stuck in the middle of the 
road with a locked back brake, I know! 
 
TWIN LEADING SHOE FRONT BRAKE: The effectiveness of this brake can further be increased by the 
manufacture of a longer operating arm. i e. the one with the cable connection. )f this is done without the 
brake stiffening kit. the flexing of the brake cams in !he hushes hinders any advantage, so add 1} inches 
to the brake operating lever after fitting the brake stiffening kit. 
 

FRAME PARTS AND HANDLING 

 
HANDLING: An improvement is to fit the Norvil head steady, it will (7t under the Interstate tank, but a hit 
of juggling is needed to fit it under the Roadster tank. Norvil head steadys are rare and complex though. 'I 
he Norvil head-steady whilst improving handling will. when shimmed up correctly. cause mom vibration to 
he transmitted through the frame. A "half-measure" s to reduce the shimming of the unit, but the Mark III 
head-steady is adequate for normal road use. 

 
 

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Summary of Contents for 850 Mk 1 1974

Page 1: ...COMMANDO SERVICE NOTES COMPLETE WITH ELECTRIC START Text Tim Stevens John Hudson Editor Alan Osborn...

Page 2: ...One of the most popular the 750 Interstate 1973 with Combat engine signified by black barrels Photo credit Motor Cycle...

Page 3: ...nels front mudguard scats rear mudguard tanks and instruments 32 Group 20 Exhaust systems 32 Groups 25 26 27 Electrics 32 Group 29 The tool kit 32 Addendum 33 Further model changes 33 Engine main bear...

Page 4: ...Development Shop from 23rd January 1955 initially as a fitter tester finally leaving the NVT complex in the summer of 1976 at its abolition Voted as Life Honorary Member of the Club and President for...

Page 5: ...by machining head double S camshaft fitted Black barrel 32mm carbs Disc brake right hand side behind fork leg Models now Fastback and Roadster 212 278 INTERSTATE Larger black or blue 5 gal tank seat l...

Page 6: ...course the crank should be dismantled and all the sludge scraped out CRANKSHAFTS When having a crank reground specify in writing the size you want and the radius between the crank pins and the webs 0...

Page 7: ...rable here as the nut is shallow and slightly recessed a ring will tend to slip The SS cam mentioned here is the Commando SS cam or double S as used in the Combat engine Interstate as opposed to the C...

Page 8: ...icantly and new rings will restore your oil consumption If the bores are worn enough at this mileage it need boring then change your brand of oil or dare I say it change your oil Greater ring wear wil...

Page 9: ...illa slice so you can hardly keep up with tightening the head bolts They also spread into the push rod holes and rub them away even if they don t rub them from new Copper and aluminum seem incapable o...

Page 10: ...eaks valve springs is not having the right ones PUSHRODS Pushrod ends occasionally come loose but will run happily like this for a While but keep your eye on the rocker adjustment To retain loose push...

Page 11: ...stud are both ruined Ask your local dealer it he stocks either You will note that the size of both nuts from the outside is 1in Whitworth to add to the confusion EXHAUST THREADS The exhaust threads i...

Page 12: ...oks the same with the r counter on the side The proper Commando gasket is thick a bit thicker than the average cornflakes packet and they don t leak oil The paper ones are spurious or Dominator or Atl...

Page 13: ...ame way that early rocker pipes failed We re coming to that The other reason that a pressure gauge isn t much good is really twofold At high speeds and high oil temperatures the pressure can drop to n...

Page 14: ...s tends to cling onto the clutch plates causing drag After a good clean of the plates refilling with Castrolite or similar lightweight oil is preferred Worn exhaust port threads these are very often c...

Page 15: ...troduced later to eliminate some of these faults and 1 would strongly advise any one still with the early type to change Use Nyloc nuts though not the all metal type used on production as you can choc...

Page 16: ...to replace the rubbery hose pipe with plastic on 200 000 series motors I have seen a nylon reinforced pipe melted by the hot oil going up it The other oil differences on late 750s are the elimination...

Page 17: ...gradual wear of the case The bearings sometimes rotate anyway this can be recognized by a polished not ground surface on the outside of the bearing when it is removed No real cure Loctite sometimes w...

Page 18: ...ave an M an the side they are much more reliable If the pawl does break the side bits of the T shape wedge in the bottom gear pinion and the kickstart is carried down on its own and can then stay down...

Page 19: ...vice releases have come to life Here and in other odd corners are the basic facts of importance HEAD GASKETS If there is any trouble keeping the copper one especially oiltight then a smear of Silicon...

Page 20: ...dealers who could tell the same story but perhaps they haven t all got magnetic lintels What happens is this the engine as it rotates produces considerable torsional vibration not just due to the firi...

Page 21: ...n is approached and as the plate goes through the flat position the load drops again for a bit and then rises again as the spring begins to become conical the other way If the dimensions are chosen to...

Page 22: ...hose of you with scientific inclinations can look again at the diaphragm spring diagram to appreciate that a bit of wear on the plates actually increases the clamping load slightly whereas with coil s...

Page 23: ...rder and needs the slide lowering a touch 4 When all is to your satisfaction switch off park the bike in a draught so it cools off and go and have a Castletown Ale 5 Now make sure that both slides ope...

Page 24: ...dle The head steady supports the engine when the back wheel is twisted either way when cornering for instance Please all of you fit the later box section 850 head steady it does not break and it resis...

Page 25: ...S type made for the Americans and one of the faster early models 1970 Note the lack of cush drive rear hub bolt up as Dommie and the T L S front brake Both exhaust pipes up the left side made a beauti...

Page 26: ...st benefit you also need the 850 yokes but the 750 type will fit and give the desirable increased trail It may be appropriate to say a few words about high speed weaves 1 The worst machines arc 750s f...

Page 27: ...t fits the centre tube properly you can hold it in place more firmly using a good strong pair of car exhaust clamps the type which are made of a thick U bolt and a steel pressing Fit these round the t...

Page 28: ...her Then periodical oiling with a Wesco is all that is necessary 1 know NVT say SAE140 or EP90 but I use engine oil if nothing else available any is better than none at all Finally referring once agai...

Page 29: ...wed in and broke off just below the surface The thread is 7 16in x 20 UNF but it is best to drill out the thread in the hanger completely so that in the event of a breakage you can fit the new bit at...

Page 30: ...is interchangeable with elements from Citroen 2CV cars and Simca 1100s the Simca unit is a bit longer than the Citroen job but the thread and so on are identical Fancy a Commando having metric thread...

Page 31: ...he load on two or three halls c The wet gets in causing rust and fretting corrosion For once then they got it right bearings which can t be fitted too loose or tight and which are sealed on both sides...

Page 32: ...scoop removed and welded over success Now the linings you can benefit from by fitting are AM4 green racing but they have to he fitted by on expert and machined exactly to the drum site Also make sure...

Page 33: ...stuck This can even happen if the throttle just sticks especially if the single cable freezes in the outer so it s best to tape the ferrule to the end of the cable This also helps to stop the rain ge...

Page 34: ...connected at either end They go from the headlamp to just behind the head steady and are colored purple and green brown and black and brown and purple If you need a spare bit of wire at the roadside...

Page 35: ...ring 147730 Rear brake drums screwed and riveted 147846 Toughened kickstart pawl 148895 Modified inlet valve guide for oil seals 149670 Oil seat fitted to inlet guide 150120 Oil pump paper gasket fitt...

Page 36: ...available from Gus Kuhn This can also be caused by keeping oil level up to maximum level the oil is then sucked through the air filters and cokes valve stems up causing exhaust valves especially to st...

Page 37: ...fit both models but the 3 phase will need a different rectifier and a new pair of matched Zener diodes fitted Full details from Al Osborn or Les Emery J H Alternator on Mark lll the rotor stator clear...

Page 38: ...ble to lower the gearing to 21T or even a 20T gearbox sprocket see page If fur further details If old ball hearing is worn or has collapsed you must replace layshaft hush in kickstart Sometime in its...

Page 39: ...ntre of its operating arm This only has to be a fraction out for a poor gear change either up or down to result To check you have got it right replace gearbox cover and lever Put machine on its centre...

Page 40: ...dismantling the rear master cylinder and unscrewing the two body halves which have a right hand thread there is a locking alien grub screw below the surface of the body lost in the muck to be removed...

Page 41: ...cam lobe clearance at the crankcase oil fling shroud In addition problems can arise due to valve head diameter valve stem and spring length discrepancies particularly where an early non Combat cylinde...

Page 42: ...0x19 on front riot 4 10x19 REAR SUSPENSION UNITS If you have gut a good handling hike and never carry a passenger then use 100 lb springs on the hardest setting absolutely essential Girling gas shocks...

Page 43: ...n page I and yet for one slide to lag behind the other 3 Close throttle and ensure that both slides lift off their stops at exactly the same time Adjust using the throttle stop screws Ensure that ther...

Page 44: ...rrect even if the carburetion is a bit out Other symptoms to look for 1 Good acceleration in a particular hand but rough cruising which clears the instant the throttle is opened Richness finally leads...

Page 45: ...de base oil not clever stuff Not at 110 at 110 anyway and mph that is Also as the multigrade is based for cars with a lower BHP litre ratios and water cooled motor the temperatures are reasonable with...

Page 46: ...Keep polishing 44...

Page 47: ...The Roadster again fitted with Combat motor Interesting to compare this with the type of 1970 Page 23 Photo credit Motor Cycle 45...

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