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Plan and install an NMEA 2000 network

An NMEA 2000 network consists of a powered backbone from
which drop cables connect to NMEA 2000 devices. The backbone
needs to run within 6 m (20 ft) of the locations of all products to be
connected, typically in a bow to stern layout.
The following guidelines apply:

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The total length of the backbone should not exceed 100 meters
(328 ft).

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A single drop cable has a maximum length of 6 meters (20 ft).
The total length of all drop cables combined should not exceed
78 meters (256 ft).

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A terminator must be installed at each end of the backbone. The
terminator can be a terminator plug or a unit with a built-in
terminator.

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Содержание GO XSE Series

Страница 1: ...GO XSE XSR Series INSTALLATION MANUAL ENGLISH www simrad yachting com ...

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Страница 3: ... represents the product as at the time of printing Navico Holding AS and its subsidiaries branches and affiliates reserve the right to make changes to specifications without notice Governing language This statement any instruction manuals user guides and other information relating to the product Documentation may be translated to or has been translated from another language Translation In the even...

Страница 4: ... and can radiate radio frequency energy and if not installed and used in accordance with the instructions may cause harmful interference to radio communications However there is no guarantee that the interference will not occur in a particular installation If this equipment does cause harmful interference to radio or television reception which can be determined by turning the equipment off and on ...

Страница 5: ...rnet connection or a pay per MB type internet connection may require large data usage Your service provider may charge you based on the amount of data you transfer If you are unsure contact your service provider to confirm rates and restrictions Trademarks Reg U S Pat Tm Off and common law marks Visit www navico com intellectual property to review the global trademark rights and accreditations for...

Страница 6: ...ation NAC is a trademark of Navico Holding AS Naviop is a trademark of Navico Holding AS Naviop Loop is a trademark of Navico Holding AS NMEA and NMEA 2000 are trademarks of the National Marine Electronics Association Power Pole is a trademark of JL Marine Systems Inc SD and microSD are trademarks of SD 3C LLC StructureScan is a trademark of Navico Holding AS Suzuki is a trademark of Suzuki Motor ...

Страница 7: ...ctions 24 Power control connection 26 External alarm 27 Connecting control devices 27 NMEA 2000 30 Echosounder 31 Radar connector 32 System setup 32 Turning the system on and off 32 First time startup 32 System setup sequence 32 The settings dialog 33 System settings 35 Feature option 35 Alarms 35 Radar installation 40 Echosounder settings 45 Autopilot settings 47 Fuel settings 50 Wireless setting...

Страница 8: ...ntegration 55 CZone 57 Naviop 57 Mercury 57 Suzuki Marine 57 Yamaha 57 Evinrude 58 Power Pole 58 FLIR camera setup 60 Appendix 60 Technical specifications 62 Dimensional drawings 64 Supported data 8 Contents GO XSE XSR Installation Manual ...

Страница 9: ...H InstallationManual ban dg c om 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8A 8B 8C 1 Display unit 2 Panel mounting kit Gasket Mounting screws 4x 4 x 3 4 PN HD SS 3 Sun cover 4 Cable Combined power and NMEA 2000 cable 5 unit Power cable 7 9 and 12 units 5 Fuseholder and fuse 3 A ATC blade 6 Protective caps 2x 5 unit 3x 7 9 and 12 units 1 Introduction GO XSE XSR Installation Manual 9 ...

Страница 10: ...k Release Bracket Mounting screws 4x 10 x 3 4 PN HD SS B Bracket mounting kit 7 and 9 units U bracket plastic Mounting screws 4x 10 x 3 4 PN HD SS Bracket knobs 2x C Bracket mounting kit 12 unit U bracket metal Mounting screws 4x 10 x 3 4 PN HD SS Bracket knobs 2x 10 Introduction GO XSE XSR Installation Manual ...

Страница 11: ...Front controls 2 1 1 Touch screen 2 Power key Press and hold to turn the unit ON OFF Press once to display the System Controls dialog Introduction GO XSE XSR Installation Manual 11 ...

Страница 12: ...files to a chart card Doing so can damage chart information on the chart card The card reader door is opened by pulling the rubber cover open The card reader door should always be securely shut immediately after inserting or removing a card in order to prevent possible water ingress Cardreaderonthe5 unit Cardreaderonthe7 and9 units Cardreaderonthe12 unit 12 Introduction GO XSE XSR Installation Man...

Страница 13: ...er 12 V DC supply input and NMEA 2000 7 9 and 12 units rear connections 1 2 3 4 RADAR NMEA2000 POWER SONAR 1 Radar radar Ethernet connection 2 NMEA 2000 data input output 3 Power 12 V DC supply input 4 Sonar CHIRP Broadband DownScan and SideScan imaging dependent on the transducer Introduction GO XSE XSR Installation Manual 13 ...

Страница 14: ...able parts Do also consider The free space around the unit to avoid overheating The mounting surface s structure and strength with regard to the weight of the equipment Any mounting surface vibration that might damage the equipment Hidden electrical wires that might be damaged when drilling holes Ventilation Inadequate ventilation and subsequent overheating of the unit may cause reduced performanc...

Страница 15: ...t is important to test the WiFi performance before the location of the unit is decided Construction material steel aluminum or carbon and heavy structure might affect WiFi performance The following guidelines apply Select a location where there is a clear direct line of sight between WiFi connected units Keep the distance between WiFi units as short as possible Mount the WiFi unit at least 1 m 3 f...

Страница 16: ...added to overcome poor performance A B C A Optimal location above deck B Less effective location C Not recommended location Ú Note Consider the lateral swinging if mounting the GPS sensor high above the sea level Roll and pitch might give false positions and affect the true directional movement Touchscreen Touchscreen performance can be affected by the location of the unit Avoid locations where th...

Страница 17: ...ows tilting of the unit and connecting cables in the back 2 Mark the screw locations using the bracket as a template and drill pilot holes Ú Note Use fasteners suited to the mounting surface material If the material is too thin for self tappers reinforce it or mount the bracket with machine screws and large washers Use only 304 or 316 stainless steel fasteners 3 Screw down the bracket 4 Snap the u...

Страница 18: ...le Removing the unit from the quick release bracket Pull and hold the release handle and then pull the unit from the bracket U bracket mounting The 7 9 and 12 units can be mounted with the U bracket 18 Installation GO XSE XSR Installation Manual ...

Страница 19: ...et as a template and drill pilot holes Use fasteners suited to the mounting surface material If the material is too thin for self tappers reinforce it or mount the bracket with machine screws and large washers Use only 304 or 316 stainless steel fasteners 3 Screw down the bracket 4 Mount the unit to the bracket using the knobs Hand tighten only The ratchet teeth in the bracket and unit ensure a po...

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Страница 21: ...e To release the locking tabs gently insert a thin object between the bezel and the screen frame When the first locking tab is released and an opening is visible carefully release the remaining locking tabs and remove the bezel When fitting the bezel ensure that the hook tabs on the back of the bezel recess in to opposing slots in the screen frame Secure the bezel to the screen frame by gently pre...

Страница 22: ... crimp and insulate all wiring connections if extending or shortening the cables Extending cables should be done with suitable crimp connectors or solder and heat shrink Keep joins as high as possible to minimize possibility of water immersion Leave room adjacent to connectors to ease plugging and unplugging of cables Warning Before starting the installation be sure to turn electrical power off If...

Страница 23: ...s the following Power into the system Red and Black wires Controlling power state of the unit Yellow wire 1 6 _ 2 3 5 4 1 Power cable 2 12 V DC positive wire red shown with fuse holder fitted 3 12 V DC negative wire black 4 Power control wire yellow 5 Vessel s 12 V DC supply 6 NMEA 2000 cable and connector Connect Red to DC using a 3 amp fuse Connect Black to DC The unit can be powered on and off ...

Страница 24: ...ing to an external alarm Blue wire _ 1 2 3 5 6 4 1 Power cable 2 12 V positive wire red shown with fuse holder fitted 3 12 V negative wire black 4 Power control wire yellow 5 Alarm wire blue 6 Vessel s 12 V DC supply Connect Red to DC using a 3 amp fuse Connect Black to DC The units can be powered on and off using the power key on the front of the case Power control connection The yellow wire in t...

Страница 25: ... to unit 2 Positive wire red 3 Ground wire black 4 Power control wire yellow 5 Alarm wire blue Power Control to supply positive auto on Device will turn on immediately when power is applied Common the yellow wire with the red wire after the fuse Ú Note The unit cannot be powered down by power key but can be put in to standby mode The screen backlight turns off _ 1 2 4 3 5 1 Power cable connector t...

Страница 26: ...o the accessories output of the engine key switch Ú Note Engine start batteries and house batteries should have a common ground connection _ 5 1 2 3 4 6 1 Power cable connector to unit 2 Positive wire red 3 Ground wire black 4 Power control wire yellow 5 Alarm wire blue 6 Ignition switch External alarm Ú Note An external alarm cannot be connected to the 5 unit 26 Wiring GO XSE XSR Installation Man...

Страница 27: ... display the alarm information For information about configuring alarms refer to the Alarms section in the Operator Manual For sirens that draw more than 1 Amp use a relay _ A B D C Buzzer _ A B D C Siren A Negative power wire black B Positive power wire red C Power control wire yellow D Alarm wire blue Connecting control devices The unit can be controlled with an OP40 or OP50 Remote controller co...

Страница 28: ...t of the locations of all products to be connected typically in a bow to stern layout The following guidelines apply The total length of the backbone should not exceed 100 meters 328 ft A single drop cable has a maximum length of 6 meters 20 ft The total length of all drop cables combined should not exceed 78 meters 256 ft A terminator must be installed at each end of the backbone The terminator c...

Страница 29: ...by a 3 A fuse For smaller systems connect power at any location in the backbone For larger systems connect power at a central point in the backbone to balance the voltage drop of the network Make the installation such that the load current draw on each side of the power node is equal Ú Note 1 LEN Load Equivalency Number equals 50 mA current draw Wiring GO XSE XSR Installation Manual 29 ...

Страница 30: ... pin to 9 pin adaptor cable However if the transducer has a paddle wheel speed sensor the water speed data will not be displayed on the unit Supports Sonar CHIRP Sonar DownScan SideScan ForwardScan Active Imaging Active Imaging 3 in 1 TotalScan StructureScan Connector details 6 7 9 1 3 4 5 2 8 Unitsocket female Pin Purpose 1 Drain Ground 2 Not used 3 Not used 4 Transducer 5 Transducer 6 Not used 7...

Страница 31: ...eated data It is recommended that each device in the system is connected to the Ethernet network No special setup is required for establishing an Ethernet network Ú Note Only the 12 unit can share echosounder data and charts over the Ethernet network 1 2 3 4 5 Unitsocket female Key Purpose Color 1 Transmit positive TX Blue White 2 Transmit negative TX Blue 3 Receive positive RX Orange White 4 Rece...

Страница 32: ...settings You can perform further setup and later change settings using the system settings dialogs System setup sequence 1 General settings refer to Systemsettings on page 33 Make general settings as desired 2 Advanced settings refer to Advanced on page 34 Enable or disable features Review the advanced setting options and make changes as desired 3 Source selection refer to Networksettings on page ...

Страница 33: ...rd the PIN code and store it in a safe place When you establish password protection the PIN code must be entered when any of the following are selected After the correct PIN code is entered all of them can be accessed without re entering the PIN code Settings activated from the home page or system controls dialog Alarms activated from the toolbar Storage activated from the toolbar Store activated ...

Страница 34: ...d If boat speed is not available from a paddle wheel sensor it is possible to use speed over ground from a GPS SOG will be displayed as boat speed and used in the true wind calculations and the speed log Use COG as heading If heading data is not available from a compass sensor it is possible to use COG from a GPS COG will be used in the true wind calculations Ú Note The autopilot cannot be operate...

Страница 35: ...activate deactivate and change alarm limits Siren enable Enables or disables the internal and external audio alarms when an alarm condition arises Radar installation The radar system requires radar sensor specific settings in order to adjust for a number of variables found in different installations Ú Note The installation settings available depends on the radar type and model System setup GO XSE ...

Страница 36: ...information and scanner features primarily used for information and to assist with fault finding Antenna setup Used for setting the position height and span of the antenna The approximate position of the antenna on the vessel must be set in order to correctly position the vessel outline when viewing close range settings The PPI will be centered on the icon representing the position of the antenna ...

Страница 37: ...st the coarse and fine bearing alignment so that the heading line touches the end of the selected object or the radar target matches the AIS target Sidelobe suppression Occasionally false target returns can occur adjacent to strong target returns such as large ships or container ports This occurs because not all of the transmitted radar energy can be focused into a single beam by the radar antenna...

Страница 38: ...ust enough to eliminate the sidelobe returns You may need to monitor 5 10 radar sweeps to be sure they have been eliminated 5 Traverse the area again and readjust if sidelobes returns still occur Sector blanking Radar installed in close proximity to a mast or structure could cause unwanted reflections or interference to appear on the radar image Use the sector blanking feature to stop the radar fr...

Страница 39: ...ions before turning the blue accent lights ON Tune The automatic tuning will work well in most installations The manual tuning is used if it is required to adjust the result from an automatic tuning Reset radar to factory defaults Clears all user and installer settings applied to the selected radar source and restores factory settings Ú Note Use this option with caution Take note of current settin...

Страница 40: ...ettings View sonar log Used to view recordings The log file is displayed as a paused image and you control the scrolling and display from the menu You can use the cursor on the image measure distance and set view options as on a live image If more than one channel was recorded in the selected log file you can select which channel to display Structure depth offset All transducers measure water dept...

Страница 41: ... vertical distance between the transducer and the lowest part of the vessel A negative value To show the depth from the water surface to the bottom set the offset equal to the vertical distance between the transducer and the water surface B positive value For depth below transducer set the offset to 0 Installation Use this dialog to setup and configure available sources System setup GO XSE XSR Ins...

Страница 42: ...All transducers measure water depth from the transducer to the bottom As a result water depth readings do not account for the distance from the transducer to the lowest point of the boat in the water or from the transducer to the water surface A B To show the depth from the lowest point of the vessel to the bottom set the offset equal to the vertical distance between the transducer and the lowest ...

Страница 43: ... speed by measuring your speed at a selected interval of time Water speed intervals range from one to thirty seconds For example if you select five seconds your displayed water speed will be based on averaging over 5 seconds of sampling Calibration range 1 30 seconds Default is 1 second Water temperature calibration Temperature calibration is used to adjust the water temperature value from the tra...

Страница 44: ...ructureScan 3D data over the Ethernet network The following echosounder settings are available for setting up the sharing of the data Internal Echosounder When selected the internal echosounder is available for selection in the echosounder panel menu When unselected this option disables the internal echosounder in the unit It will not be listed as an echosounder source for any unit on the network ...

Страница 45: ...rces Use network depth and temp data The unit can share depth and temperature data from an Ethernet networked echosounder source over the NMEA 2000 network Use this option to select from which Ethernet network source the data is shared Autopilot settings The Autopilot settings dialog depends on which autopilot computer that is connected to the system If more than one autopilot is connected the Aut...

Страница 46: ...the rudder test confirm that motor is moving confirm that the rudder feedback reading moves according to motor rotation check the NAC 1 drive cable confirm that the motor can be manually moved smoothly in each direction check for other mechanical issues check wiring connections repeat the rudder calibration Hydraulic system calibration Virtual rudder feedback VRF calibration is used for vessels wi...

Страница 47: ... NAC D refer to the commissioning manual included with the autopilot computer Trolling motor specific installation settings Some trolling motors have autopilot capabilities which can be controlled from the display unit For setup and user settings of supported trolling motors refer to the documentation included with the trolling motor and the trolling motor section in the display unit s operator ma...

Страница 48: ...elect the number of engines the number of tanks and vessel s total fuel capacity across all tanks Fuel remaining measurement The Fuel remaining measurement can be determined from fuel used by engine s or fuel level from tank sensors Nominal fuel consumption is required to set the scale on the fuel economy gauge This value should be determined from experience over time Alternatively the boat builde...

Страница 49: ...ice is connected to Unconfigure defaults the device which clears all user settings Reset Fuel Flow restores only the Fuel K Value setting if set in Calibrate Only Navico devices can be reset Calibrate Calibration may be required to accurately match measured flow with actual fuel flow Access calibration from the Refuel dialog Calibration is only possible on a Navico Fuel Flow sensor 1 Start with a ...

Страница 50: ...the amount of fuel remaining in any equipped tank The number of tanks must be set in Vessel Setup dialog initiated from the Fuel setting options page to allow discrete tank assignment of the Fluid Level devices Select Device list on the Network page and view the Device Configuration dialog for each sensor and set the Tank location Fluid type and Tank size For setting up the Instrument bar or a gau...

Страница 51: ...rces Data sources provide live data to the system When a device is connected to more than one source providing the same data the user can choose the preferred source Before commencing with source selection make sure all external devices and networks are connected and turned on System setup GO XSE XSR Installation Manual 51 ...

Страница 52: ...ernatively use a data source independently from other units If the unit is part of a source group all source selection changes will affect all units belonging to the same group Ú Note In order to enable group selection the unit must be set to the Simrad group Devices with no selected group can use different sources than the rest of the network devices Advanced source selection This allows the most...

Страница 53: ... errors are most likely indicating issues with the physical network which can be resolved by correcting termination reducing backbone or drop lengths or reducing the number of network nodes devices UDB Provides information on Ethernet activity SimNet groups This function is used to control parameter settings either globally or in groups of units The function is used on larger vessels where several...

Страница 54: ... receive waypoint option must be set to ON before the waypoint is created in the sending device The sending device the send waypoint option must be set to ON before the waypoint is created Send waypoint Allows this unit to send a waypoint to other devices over the NMEA 2000 network A waypoint will be transmitted when the waypoint is created if the following settings are in place The sending device...

Страница 55: ...f the two networks but allows data to be freely shared between both sides The Interface Bridge can also be used for expansion of the NMEA 2000 network when the maximum node limit node any device connected to network for the network has been reached or the maximum cable length of 150 m will be exceeded Once an Interface Bridge has been fitted a further 40 nodes and additional cable length can be ad...

Страница 56: ...Zone devices must be assigned a virtual dipswitch setting This setting is unique for each device Typically it is set after the configuration file already exists on the CZone system but it may also be set in advance To do so access the CZone menu on the Settings page When the configuration is already available on the network it will immediately commence uploading to the GO XSE once the dipswitch is...

Страница 57: ...is on the same NMEA 2000 network as a compatible Suzuki product or a compatible gateway a dedicated Suzuki instrument panel is unlocked and automatically enabled Data source selection is done the same way as for any regular NMEA 2000 sources Yamaha If a compatible Yamaha gateway is connected to the NMEA 2000 network a Yamaha engine icon is added to the Home page For more information about configur...

Страница 58: ...pairing and Power Pole anchor operation refer to the Operator manual Power Pole Charge module This device can interface with the Power Pole Charge module via the C Monster gateway Only one gateway can work on the NMEA 2000 network at a time When valid data is received from the gateway the Charge button is added to the control bar For more information about the battery charge functionality refer to...

Страница 59: ...3rd party support GO XSE XSR Installation Manual 59 ...

Страница 60: ...50 bottom 60 Electrical Supply voltage 12 V DC 10 17 V DC min max Recommended fuse rating 3 A Protection Protection reverse polarity and temporary over voltage to 18 V Power consumption 5 unit 12 W 900 mA at 13 5 V 7 unit 12 W 900 mA at 13 5 V 9 unit 12 W 900 mA at 13 5 V 12 unit 20 W 1500 mA at 13 5 V Environmental Operating temperature range 15 C to 55 C 5 F to 131 F Storage temperature 20 C to ...

Страница 61: ... port 5 pin connector 12 unit 1 port 5 pin connector NMEA 2000 1 port Micro C Sonar 1 port 9 pin connector Data card slot 5 unit 1 slot microSD 7 unit 1 slot microSD 9 unit 2 slot microSD 12 unit 2 slot microSD Wireless Internal 802 11b g n Physical Weight display only 5 unit 0 53 kg 1 16 lbs 7 unit 0 91 kg 2 lbs 9 unit 1 32 kg 2 9 lbs 12 unit 2 22 kg 4 90 lbs Mounting type Bracket supplied or pan...

Страница 62: ...0 mm 3 70 120 mm 4 72 94 0 mm 3 70 117 5 mm 4 62 58 0 mm 2 28 136 0 mm 5 35 7 unit 197 0 mm 7 76 220 0 mm 8 66 126 9 mm 5 00 74 7 mm 2 94 8 0 mm 0 32 141 0 mm 5 56 154 9 mm 6 10 202 2 mm 7 96 61 9 mm 2 44 62 Appendix GO XSE XSR Installation Manual ...

Страница 63: ...4 0 mm 0 94 184 0 mm 7 24 170 0 mm 6 69 8 0 mm 0 31 90 0 mm 3 54 79 0 mm 3 11 12 unit 310 0 mm 12 20 74 7 mm 2 94 323 5 mm 12 74 219 1 mm 8 63 233 2 mm 9 18 8 0 mm 0 32 95 0 mm 7 74 110 6 mm 4 36 Appendix GO XSE XSR Installation Manual 63 ...

Страница 64: ...ct Info 126998 Configuration Information 127233 Man Overboard Notification MOB 127237 Heading Track Control 127245 Rudder 127250 Vessel Heading 127251 Rate of Turn 127252 Heave 127257 Attitude 127258 Magnetic Variation 127488 Engine Parameters Rapid Update 127489 Engine Parameters Dynamic 127493 Transmission Parameters Dynamic 127500 Load Controller Connection State Control 127501 Binary Status Re...

Страница 65: ...AIS aids to Navigation 129283 Cross Track Error 129284 Navigation Data 129539 GNSS DOPs 129540 AIS Class B Extended Position Report 129545 GNSS RAIM Output 129549 DGNSS Corrections 129551 GNSS Differential Correction Receiver Signal 129793 AIS UTC and Date Report 129794 AIS aids to Navigation 129798 AIS SAR Aircraft Position Report 129801 Cross Track Error 129802 AIS Safety Related Broadcast Messa...

Страница 66: ...ent Current File and Status 130570 Entertainment Library Data File 130571 Entertainment Library Data Group 130572 Entertainment Library Data Search 130573 Entertainment Supported Source Data 130574 Entertainment Supported Zone Data 130576 Small Craft Status 130577 Direction Data 130578 Vessel Speed Components 130579 Entertainment System Configuration Status 130580 Entertainment System Configuratio...

Страница 67: ...ced 128267 Water Depth 128275 Distance Log 129025 Position Rapid Update 129026 COG SOG Rapid Update 129029 GNSS Position Data 129283 Cross Track Error 129285 Navigation Route WP Information 129284 Navigation Data 129285 Route Waypoint Data 129539 GNSS DOPs 129540 GNSS Sats in View 130074 Route and WP Service WP List WP Name Position 130306 Wind Data 130310 Environmental Parameters 130311 Environme...

Страница 68: ...view x x VTG Course over ground and ground speed x x ZDA Time and date x x TX RX Navigation Na me Description RX TX AAM Waypoint arrival alarm x APB Heading track controller autopilot sentence B x BOD Bearing origin to destination x BWC Bearing and distance to waypoint Great circle x BWR Bearing and distance to waypoint Rhumb line x RMB Recommended minimum navigation information x XTE Cross track ...

Страница 69: ...stance x x VHW Water speed and heading x x TX RX Compass Na me Description RX TX HDG Heading deviation and variation x x HDT Heading true x THS True heading and status x x ROT Rate of turn x TX RX Wind Na me Description RX TX MW D Wind direction and speed x x MW V Wind speed and angle x x Appendix GO XSE XSR Installation Manual 69 ...

Страница 70: ...ot bridged to or from NMEA 2000 TX RX MARPA Na me Description RX TX TLL Target latitude and longitude x TTM Tracked target message x Ú Note These are only output sentences TX RX Radar Na me Description RX TX RSD Radar system data x OSD Own ship data x Ú Note x only transmitting when the radar panel is displayed TX RX MISC Na me Description RX TX MOB Man over board notification x 70 Appendix GO XSE...

Страница 71: ...Na me Description RX TX VBW Dual ground water speed x XDR Transducer measurement x x Appendix GO XSE XSR Installation Manual 71 ...

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Страница 73: ...d yachting com 988 11093 004 Reg U S Pat Tm Off and common law marks Visit www navico com intellectual property to review the global trade mark rights and accreditations for Navico Holding AS and other entities ...

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