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17.2 TTL Communication

：

SV output and RATE function

Open RATE function (use for slave controller)

Display AL3

：

SET2.1=1

Display ALD3

：

SET4.1=1

Display RATE(AL3 will be replaced)

：

SET0.2=1

Set ALD3 to 0. (In Level 3)

Slave SV = (

RATE

÷9999)×master SV

Example

：

uPC92

Master

uTC92

Slave 1

uTC92

Slave 2

SV OUT

(SET0.1=1)

IDNO=0

(SET5.4=1)

BAUD=2400

(SET5.4=1)

IDNO=1

(SET5.4=1)

BAUD=2400

(SET5.4=1)
open RATE function

IDNO=1

(SET5.4=1)

BAUD=2400

(SET5.4=1)
open RATE function

Connection Diagram

Time Chart

Time

1 hour

1000

SV_1=1000
TM_1=01:00
OUT_1=100%

Time

1 hour

900

RATE = 9000
SV=900

Time

1 hour

800

RATE =8000
SV=800

( Three controllers reach to the max value at the same time )

Master

Slave 1

Slave 2

Summary of Contents for u Series

Page 1: ...u Series Digital PID Controller Operation Manual uTC52 uTC72 uTC42 uTC92 uTC62 48x48 72X72 48X96 96X96 96X48 DIN 1 16 DIN 3 16 DIN 1 8 DIN 1 4 DIN 1 8 March 2006 uTC uPC OpMan TCL ...

Page 2: ...eration levels 7 1 Levels diagram Page 16 7 2 Lock function Page 16 8 Parameters 8 1 Level 1 User Level Page 17 8 2 Level 2 PID Level 8 2 1 Level 2 parameters display hiding condition Page 18 8 2 2 Description of parameters Page 19 8 3 Level 3 Input Level Page 20 8 4 Level 4 SET Level 8 4 1 How to hide parameters Use SET1 SET7 Page 22 8 4 2 Special functions Use SET8 SET9 SET0 Page 23 8 4 3 Remote...

Page 3: ...age 39 17 2 TTL Communication SV output and RATE function Page 40 17 3 1ψ Phase angle control By SCR module Page 41 17 4 1ψPhase angle control By TRIAC Page 42 17 5 3ψPhase angle control By DIODE SCR module Page 43 17 6 1ψZero crossing control By SCR Module Page 44 17 7 1ψZero crossing control By TRIAC Page 45 17 8 3ψZero crossing control By SCR module Page 46 17 9 3ψZero crossing control By TRIAC...

Page 4: ... 1 and 2 2 Be sure to use the rated power supply AC85 265V or DC24V otherwise it would be cause serious damage to the controller 3 Please use correct wiring as per diagram for Input Output etc 4 Use M3 screw compatible crimp on terminals with an insulation sleeve as shown below 3 2mm 3 2mm Torque 0 4 N m 4kgf cm 5 Avoid installing controller in following environment I A place where the ambient tem...

Page 5: ...s when settings are changed 6 Down key Program hold Decrease numbers 1000 100 10 1 Program hold Programmable controller 7 Up key Program run Decrease numbers 1000 100 10 1 Program run Programmable controller OUT1 8 OUT1 lamp Lights when OUT1 is activated Green OUT2 9 OUT2 lamp Lights when OUT2 is activated Green AT 10 Auto tuning lamp Lights when Auto tuning is activated Orange AL1 11 Alarm 1 lamp...

Page 6: ...ion 4 20mA 0 20mA 0 1V 0 5V 0 10V 1 5V 2 10V Remote SV 4 20mA 0 20mA 0 1V 0 5V 0 10V 1 5V 2 10V Protocol MODBUS RTU MODBUS ASCII TAIE RS232 RS485 TTL Communication Baud rate 2400 4800 9600 19200 38400 bps Data bits 8 Stop bit 1 or 2bit Odd or Even parity Water Dust proof IP65 z Special control output OUT1 Model uTC52 uTC62 uTC72 uTC42 uTC92 1φ zero crossing control 1φSSR Available Not available Av...

Page 7: ...ΦZero Cross Control Relay SSR mA V OUT2 2 3 CLOSE OPEN COM OUT1 Proportional Motor Valve Control B Control Output mA V RTD TC mV C Input 2 3 AL 1 11 12 AL 1 13 14 AL 2 D Alarm TRS E Transmission RS232 F Communication 11 12 13 RD SD SG RS485 11 12 Dx Dx TTL 11 12 13 RD SD SG Option Use OUT1 OUT2 Proportional Motor Valve Control H CT Input CT 11 12 ...

Page 8: ...PEN OUT1 Proportional Motor Valve Control B Control Output mA V RTD TC mV C Input AL 1 6 7 AL 2 D Alarm TRS E Transmission RS232 G Communication 14 15 16 RD SD SG RS485 14 15 Dx Dx TTL 14 15 16 RD SD SG Option 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 7 8 9 10 COM 6 7 8 9 10 17 18 19 20 17 18 19 20 17 18 19 20 AL 3 12 13 Remote SV F Remote 14 15 H CT Input CT 14 15 ...

Page 9: ...ntrol Output mA V RTD TC mV C Input 3 4 AL 2 D Alarm TRS E Transmission RS232 G Communication 15 16 17 RD SD SG RS485 15 16 Dx Dx TTL 15 16 17 RD SD SG Option COM 3 4 5 6 7 11 12 13 14 11 12 13 14 11 12 13 14 AL 1 18 19 Remote SV F Remote 9 10 5 6 7 21 15 16 17 18 20 PROT G1 G2 OUT1 20 15 17 19 PROT 8 9 10 COM NO NC Proportional Motor Valve Control 1ΦZero Cross Control 1ΦPhase Angle Control H CT I...

Page 10: ...PEN OUT1 Proportional Motor Valve Control B Control Output mA V RTD TC mV C Input AL 1 6 7 AL 2 D Alarm TRS E Transmission RS232 G Communication 14 15 16 RD SD SG RS485 14 15 Dx Dx TTL 14 15 16 RD SD SG Option 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 7 8 9 10 COM 6 7 8 9 10 17 18 19 20 17 18 19 20 17 18 19 20 AL 3 12 13 Remote SV F Remote 14 15 H CT Input CT 14 15 ...

Page 11: ... 27 28 29 30 17 18 19 20 17 18 19 20 17 18 19 20 AL 3 39 40 Remote SV F Remote 14 15 G1 G2 OUT1 1ΦZero Cross Control 40 31 33 39 PROT G1 K1 G2 K2 OUT1 1ΦPhase Angle Control CLOSE OPEN OUT1 COM 6 7 8 9 10 36 31 32 33 34 35 PROT RG1 RG2 TG1 TG2 OUT1 3ΦZero Cross Control 40 31 33 35 37 39 PROT G1 K1 G2 K2 OUT1 3ΦPhase Angle Control 40 31 32 33 34 39 PROT G3 K3 35 36 RS232 31 32 33 RD SD SG RS485 31 3...

Page 12: ... panel cutout Unit mm uTC52 Y1 Y2 AT AL AL PRO 1 2 50 50 44 5 0 5 44 5 0 5 65 70 uTC62 96 50 90 5 0 5 44 5 0 5 111 70 uTC72 74 74 68 5 0 5 68 5 0 5 89 94 uTC42 96 50 44 5 0 5 90 5 0 5 65 116 uTC92 96 96 90 5 0 5 90 5 0 5 111 116 ...

Page 13: ...ts when settings are changed 6 Down key Program hold Decrease numbers 1000 100 10 1 Program hold Programmable controller 7 Up key Program run Decrease numbers 1000 100 10 1 Program run Programmable controller OUT1 8 OUT1 lamp Lights when OUT1 is activated Green OUT2 9 OUT2 lamp Lights when OUT2 is activated Green AT 10 Auto tuning lamp Lights when Auto tuning is activated Orange AL1 11 Alarm 1 lam...

Page 14: ... key to select the hundreds digit Press key to change the number to 1 Press key to store the new set value SET 6 3 Change the Alarm Value Change AL1 value to 5 0 AL1 active if PV exceeds SV over 5 0 Press key to display parameter AL1 Press key to change AL1 value Press key increase AL1 value Press key store the new value of AL1 SET SET The are total 16 alarm mode types please referred with alarm m...

Page 15: ...totuning PID Control After Autotuning SV PV 0 100 Output Autotuning ATVL 0 OFF ON ON OFF SV PV 0 100 Autotuning ATVL 20 SV 20 Autotuning failure Overshoot Set ATVL to prevent overshoot occurred during autotuning process Output ON OFF Control Autotuning PID Control After Autotuning To set ATVL press key 5 seconds to enter Level 2 PID Level and then change the value SET Possible cause 1 ATVL is too ...

Page 16: ...perature profile is as below use total 4 segments TIME SV RAMP SOAK RAMP SOAK 1 hour 30 minutes 50 minutes 1 hour and 20 minutes 200 120 Set SV_2 to 200 0 Set TM_2 to 00 30 30 minutes Set OUT2 to 100 0 Set SV_3 to 120 0 Set TM_3 to 00 50 50 minutes Set OUT3 to 100 0 Set SV_4 to 120 0 Set TM_4 to 01 20 1 hour and 20 minutes Set OUT4 to 100 0 Press key to run program PRO LED start lighting Please op...

Page 17: ...ation within 60 seconds A M In any Level press key twice will return to Level 1 Level 4 SET Level SET Press Key 5 seconds LCK 1111 SET Press Key 5 seconds 7 2 Lock function To use lock function please set parameter LCK in level 2 Levels entering available LCK Level 1 User Level 2 PID Level 3 Input Level 4 SET Parameters which can be changed All parameters Factory set value All parameters All param...

Page 18: ... 8 Parameters 8 1 Level 1 User Level Process Value Set Value Output Limt Autotuning Alarm 1 set value Alarm 2 set value Set Set Set Set Set Alarm 3 set value PV SV Set Heater current display HBA set value ...

Page 19: ... Set Set Set Set P1 0 P2 0 Set Set Set Set Set Set Set Set Set Set P1 0 P2 0 Set Set Set Set Set Set Set Set Set 1 Press key 5 seconds to enter level 2 2 Set LCK to 1111 3 Press key and key 5 seconds to enter level 4 Set level 4 Set OUTY to 0 Single output P1 SET SET Set Single output P1 1 Press key 5 seconds to enter level 2 2 Set LCK to 1111 3 Press key and key 5 seconds to enter level 4 Set lev...

Page 20: ...3600 seconds PD control if set to 0 Range 0 900 seconds PI control if set to 0 Reserved Range 0 USPL Range 0 150 seconds Relay output 10 Voltage pulse output 1 mA output 0 Range 0 1000 The same with P1 The same with I1 The same with D1 The same with CYT1 The same with HYS1 Set point of output 1 Heating side SV GAP1 SV GAP2 Return to P1 If P2 0 0 Display Display if output2 is provided Integral time...

Page 21: ...rs On delay time If ALD 07 ALT means alarm on time The same with ALD1 Set Hysteresis of all Alarm Range 0 1000 Range 0 9999 Set Analog input high limit calibration Used for mA and V input Available for mA and V input Upper Set Point Limit Scaling Low Limit Scaling High Limit Remote input low limit calibration Range 1999 9999 Remote input high limit calibration Range 0 9999 Alarm time of AL1 Alarm ...

Page 22: ...with CHO1 The same with CLO1 The same with CHO1 Retransmission high limit calibration Used for proportional motor valve control output Set Set Set Set Set Set Set Set Set Set Control mode Heat Cool Control algorithm PID Fuzzy Frequency 50 60HZ ID number Baudrate SV compensation PV compensation Unit of PV SV Range 0 255 2400 4800 9600 19200 38400 bps Range 1000 1000 Range 100 0 500 0 C F A Analog R...

Page 23: ...er PV SV For the description of Level 1 parameters please refer with page 17 For the description of Level 3 parameters please refer with page 20 SET Display hiding Level SET Display hiding Level 1_ 1 Level 1 5_ 1 Level 3 1_ 2 Level 1 5_ 2 Level 3 1_ 3 Level 1 5_ 3 Level 3 1_ 4 Level 1 5_ 4 Level 3 2_ 1 Level 1 6_ 1 Level 3 2_ 2 Level 3 6_ 2 Level 3 2_ 3 Level 3 6_ 3 Level 3 2_ 4 Level 3 6_ 4 Level...

Page 24: ... Only available for programmable controller 0 Disable transmission 9_ 3 1 SV Transmission 0 Disable transmission 9_ 4 1 PV Transmission Used for transmission output SET 0 Remark 0 TTL Communication Slave 0_ 1 1 TTL Communication Master Used for TTL communication 0 Hide parameter RATE 0_ 2 1 Display parameter RATE AL3 will be replaced by RATE 0 Disable Remote SV function 0_ 3 1 Enable Remote SV fun...

Page 25: ...TY Displayed alternately To rectify the problem please press the SHIFT KEY and change the setting value to 0000 8 4 3 Remote SV type selection INP2 0 None INP2 1 10 50mV 4 20mA 1 5V 2 10V INP2 2 0 50mV 0 20mA 0 5V 0 10V INP2 4 CT input Remote SV function is not available for programmable controller 8 4 4 Output mode selection Use OUTY OUTY 0 Single output OUT1 OUTY 1 Dual output OUT1 OUT2 OUTY 2 R...

Page 26: ... OUT 0 program will end Setting value of Seg 2 Set time for Seg 2 Output Limit of Seg 2 Setting value of Seg 3 Set time for Seg 3 Output Limit of Seg 3 Setting value of Seg 4 Set time for Seg 4 Output Limit of Seg 4 LEVEL 1 Set Set Set Set Set Set Set Set Set Set Set Set Setting value of Seg 5 Set time for Seg 5 Output Limit of Seg 5 Setting value of Seg 6 Set time for Seg 6 Output Limit of Seg 6 ...

Page 27: ...rogram proceeds to segment 2 end the relay of AL1 will be on 10 seconds III END function The Controller doesn t have END order so if program procedure is less than 8 segments please set the last segment s OUT to 0 Program will end in this segment Otherwise it will proceed 8 or 16 segments IV Linking Function PTN 1 proceed pattern 1 contains 8 segments PTN 2 proceed pattern 2 contains 8 segments PT...

Page 28: ... 0 1472 0 1000 0 1832 J 0 1200 0 2192 0 1600 0 2912 R 0 1769 0 3216 0 1600 0 2912 S 0 1769 0 3216 B 0 1820 0 3308 0 800 0 1472 E 0 900 0 1652 0 1200 0 2192 N 0 1300 0 2372 199 9 400 0 199 9 752 0 199 9 200 0 199 9 392 0 T 0 0 350 0 0 0 662 0 0 2000 0 3632 W5Re W26Re 0 2320 0 4208 0 1300 0 2372 PLⅡ 0 1390 0 2534 199 9 600 0 199 9 999 9 199 9 200 0 199 9 392 0 U 0 0 400 0 0 0 752 0 0 400 0 752 L 0 8...

Page 29: ...9 9 199 9 400 0 199 9 752 0 199 9 200 0 199 9 392 0 0 200 0 392 0 400 0 752 DIN PT100 0 600 0 1112 199 9 600 0 199 9 999 9 199 9 400 0 199 9 752 0 199 9 200 0 199 9 392 0 0 200 0 392 0 400 0 752 JIS PT50 0 600 0 1112 AN1 10 10mV 1999 9999 AN2 0 10mV 1999 9999 AN3 0 20mV 1999 9999 AN4 0 50mV 1999 9999 AN5 10 50mV 1999 9999 The initial setting in factory is K2 ...

Page 30: ...ime 10 2 SETA SETA is in Level 3 Input level If SETA_1 1 AL1 relay will be action reversely If SETA_4 0 program run alarm If SETA_4 1 program end alarm When b contact normal close is needed Only available for programmable controller If SETA_2 1 AL2 relay will be action reversely If SETA_3 1 AL3 relay will be action reversely ...

Page 31: ...iation low alarm Deviation high low alarm with hold action Deviation high low alarm PV PV PV PV PV PV PV PV PV PV PV Band alarm Process high alarm with hold action Process high alarm Process low alarm with hold action Process low alarm No alarm Segment End alarm Only for Programmable controller 3 ALT1 3 defines as follows Program Run alarm Only for Programmable controller System failed alarm ON Sy...

Page 32: ...ion HBA function detects the AC current flowing through the heater by a Current Transformer CT and compares the CT input value and HBA set value When OUT1 is ON and CT input value is less than HBA set value during 5 seconds AL1 is activated Otherwise AL1 is not activated The AC current flowing through heater can also be monitored in HBA setting mode ...

Page 33: ...s Key SET To store new HBA set value 11 4 Parameters for HBA function Name Value Operation Level AL1 HBA Set Value Level 1 ALD1 9 Level 3 SET0 0100 Level 4 INP2 4 Level 4 How to enter Level 3 Set parameter LCK to 0000 in Level 2 and then press SET key Shift key 5 seconds to enter operation Level 3 How to enter Level 4 Set parameter LCK to 1111 in Level 2 and then press SET key Shift key 5 seconds ...

Page 34: ...e HBA set value 3 Condition1 and 2 continued more than 5 seconds AL1 will be activated if condition 1 2 3 are all true 11 6 Remarks Available output OUT1 type for HBA I Relay II Voltage pulse SSR drive Since HBA function uses AL1 as alarm relay please set temperature alarms in AL2 or AL3 ...

Page 35: ...control sensor Remote SV PV exceeds USPL PV under LSPL Input signal of sub control exceeds the upper limit Remote SV Input signal of sub control under the lower limit Remote SV RAM failed Interface failed Auto tuning failed NOTE If the marked error comes up the controller needs to be repaired Please send it to the nearest sales office or retail dealer ...

Page 36: ...ease make PAD short on the back side of PC board as following diagram and change input selection INP1 On the contrary modify from RTD to TC or mV make PAD open 96x96 48x96 96x48 mm RTD Short pads TC or mV Open pads 72x72 mm RTD Short pads TC or mV Open pads 48x48 mm RTD Short pads TC or mV Open pads ...

Page 37: ...ORT 0 5V INP1 AN4 R2 use 10KΩ R4 use 100Ω S2 S4 SHORT 1 5V INP1 AN5 R2 use 10KΩ R4 use 100Ω S2 S4 SHORT 0 10V INP1 AN4 R3 use 22KΩ R4 use 100Ω S3 S4 SHORT 2 10V INP1 AN5 R3 use 22KΩ R4 use 100Ω S3 S4 SHORT BACK FRONT 19 11 PC Board 96 96 48 96 96 48 20 FRONT 14 13 8 PC Board FRONT 10 9 6 PC Board 48 48 72 72 19 20 PC Board 11 BACK 8 13 14 PC Board BACK 9 10 PC Board 48 48 72 72 96 96 48 96 96 48 R...

Page 38: ... Inputs 4mA Inputs 20mA Adjusts ANH1 until PV Display 5000 Inputs 4mA to CHECK LOW Inputs 20mA to CHECK HIGH OK Set the range you want LOW LSPL HIGH USPL Ex Low 20 0 High 50 0 SET LSPL 20 0 USPL 50 0 DP 000 0 To display ANL1 ANH1 at INPUT Level Return User Level to view the changing of PV YES NO ...

Page 39: ... 18 19 20 CPU Board 96 96 48 96 96 48 11 PAD of AL3 SHORT PAD of OUT2 OPEN 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 CPU Board 96 96 48 96 96 48 11 PAD of AL3 OPEN PAD of OUT2 SHORT 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 CPU Board 6 7 8 9 10 CPU Board 48 48 72 72 PAD of OUT2 OPEN PAD AL1 SHORT 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 CPU Board 72 72 PAD of OUT2 SHORT PAD of AL1 OPEN PAD of OUT2 OPEN PAD of AL1 SHORT 6 7 8 9 10 CPU Board 48 48 PAD of OUT...

Page 40: ...0 00 99 99 min If RAMP is not used please set ALD3 to 0 z SOAK I ALD1 ALD2 19 Î To use Sock Timer II AL1 AL2 will display as below AL1 0 0 0 0 Range 00 00 99 59 Hour Minute z Example SV 100 RAMP 10 00 min AL1 00 10 min PV 25 100 PV 25 ｔ 5 seccons Start RAMP function Time on if PV SV 100 Time up AL1 on SV PV When start RAMP function SV SV RAMP AL1 00 10 00 01 00 10 Sock Timer counts 1sec Power on ...

Page 41: ...SD SG uPC92 Master RD SG uTC92 Slave 1 RD SG uTC92 Slave 2 SV OUT SET0 1 1 IDNO 0 SET5 4 1 BAUD 2400 SET5 4 1 IDNO 1 SET5 4 1 BAUD 2400 SET5 4 1 open RATE function IDNO 1 SET5 4 1 BAUD 2400 SET5 4 1 open RATE function Connection Diagram Time Chart Time 1 hour 1000 SV_1 1000 TM_1 01 00 OUT_1 100 Time 1 hour 900 RATE 9000 SV 900 Time 1 hour 800 RATE 8000 SV 800 Three controllers reach to the max val...

Page 42: ...C72 uPC72 z OUT1 1ψSCR z Parameter setting OUTY 4 CLO1 0 CHO1 4500 if use for resistance load CLO1 0 CHO1 4000 if use for inductor load Short CONTROLLER G 1 G 2 K 1 K 2 PROT K1 K 2 G 1 S R G 2 FAST FUSE U V SCR Module Controller source phase must be same as load source phase LOAD ...

Page 43: ...1 1ψSCR z Parameter setting OUTY 4 CLO1 0 CHO1 4500 if use for resistance load CLO1 0 CHO1 4000 if use for inductor load Short CONTROLLER G1 G2 K1 K2 PROT T1 G1 S R FAST FUSE U V TRIAC Module T2 M M V U 1 2W 100Ω 0 1uf 630V A C Controller source phase must be same as load source phase LOAD ...

Page 44: ...odels uTC92 uPC92 z OUT1 3ψSCR z Parameter setting OUTY 5 CLO1 0 CHO1 4500 only if use for resistance load CLO1 0 CHO1 4000 if use for inductor load CONTROLLER Short K 1 G 1 K 2 G 2 K 3 G 3 T S R FAST FUSE U V DIODE SCR Module W K 2 G 2 K 3 PROT G 3 G 1 3φ LOAD K 1 ...

Page 45: ...ontrol By SCR module z Available Models uTC92 uPC92 uTC72 uPC72 uTC52 uPC52 z OUT1 1ψSSR z Parameter setting OUTY 0 CYT1 1 Short G 2 CONTROLLER G 1 G 2 PROT R S G 1 FAST FUSE U V SCR Module CYCLE TIME 200 mSEC OFF ON TIME CHART ...

Page 46: ...45 17 7 1ψZero crossing control By TRIAC z Available Models uTC92 uPC92 uTC72 uPC72 uTC52 uPC52 z OUT1 1ψSSR z Data Change OUTY 0 CYT1 1 Short Controller G1 G2 PROT T1 G1 S R U V TRIAC T2 Load Fast Fuse ...

Page 47: ...R module z Available Models uTC92 uPC92 z OUT1 3ψSSR z Data Change OUTY 0 CYT1 1 RG 1 Short CONTROLLER WE CAN SUPPLY HEATER SINK RG 1 TG 1 RG 2 TG 2 PROT TG 2 TG 1 S R FAST FUSE U V SCR Module RG 2 T W CYCLE TIME 200 mSEC OFF ON TIME CHART ...

Page 48: ...9 3ψZero crossing control By TRIAC z Available Models uTC92 uPC92 z OUT1 3ψSSR z Data Change OUTY 0 CYT1 1 Short Controller RG 1 TG 1 RG 2 TG 2 PROT S R U V T W Fast Fuse T2 TG 1 G1 T1 TG 2 T2 G1 T1 RG 1 RG 2 ...

Page 49: ...uTC42 uPC42 uTC62 uPC62 uTC52 uPC52 z Data Change OUTY 3 CYT1 1 100sec Manufacturing default setting 5 seconds RUCY 5 200 seconds 1 CYT1 is the cycle time of Open Close 2 RUCY is the 0 100 running time of motor valve MOTOR VALVE CONTROLLER CLOSE OPEN COM OPEN CLOSE COM OUT1 Relay OUT2 Relay R S ...

Page 50: ...nd BAUD settings are the same with PC software s settings 4 For the software communication format please refer to communication manual SD SG RD Controller Controller RS485 Connection Diagram NOTE 1 The length of cable be connected between Converter and Controller can t exceed 1 2 KM Suggestion choose Shielded Cable 2 One Com Port can be connected up to a maximum of 30 Controllers 3 Ensure that the...

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