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Summary of Contents for 7800

Page 1: ...II SERVICE MANUAL No 1 SEEBURG SYMPHONOLAS 1941 Models 7800 7880 8800 9800 J P SEEBURG CORPORATION i 1 50 0 DAYTON STREET CHICAGO U S A lkm Pnntc u1 U S A ...

Page 2: ...ind these men u p to date on all in formation pertaining to service In addition we maintain a home service department at the factory to help you and to furnish you with any technical or service information you may desire When requesting information by wire or letter relative to the S phonola please give Model and Serial Number When ordering a part it is especiall7 important I to give the name of t...

Page 3: ...MP HOHOl A c MOTOR M O U H TIH G o RECORD PLAY I HG I H OI CATOR D I AL E RECORO PREFEREHCE METER AMP L I F I ERS A GEHERAL R F U H C T I O H S OF SOCKETS AHO SWITC flES c FUSES OH AHPLI F I ER ELECT RICAL SELECTOR A GEH E RAL a CO I H O R CRED I T C I RC UIT c S E LECTOR S W ITCH D S E R I E S RELAY C I RCUIT E CAHCEL S O L EH O I O C I RCUIT F I HTERLOCK I H G C I RCU I T G IHTERLOCK I H G RELAY...

Page 4: ...H A H C E I G E H E R A L 1 1 A A P P E A R A H C E 11 B LUB R I CA T I O H I I 2 TOHE AR l I I A TOHE AR f W E I G H T A D JUSHfEHT 1 1 B P I CKUP 12 3 SOUHI E Q U I PMEHT 12 A A M P L I FI ER 12 B V0 LUME COHTROL 1 2 c TUBES 12 SPEAKERS 12 II IHSTRUC T I O H S FOR I H STALLATIOH O F W I R E D REM 0TE SPEAKER 1 3 5 ELEC TR I CA L SELECTOR A C R E D I T M ECHAH I S M 111 B S E R I E S RELA f I I c...

Page 5: ...LAY DOES H O T R E S P O H O TO C O I H TOO FEW PLAYS FOR THE AMOUHT O F CO I HS I N S E RTED TOO M A N Y PLAYS FOR T H E AMOUHT O F C O I H S I NS E R T E D FAILURE MOTOR 00 ES H O T START tOTOR D O E S H O T START UNT I L COUP L I N G I S D I SCONHECTED A H O MOTOR I S SPUN W I T H F I N GERS STARTING W I N D I N G CUTS I H AHO OU1 COHTIHUO U S L Y MOTOR FUSE SLOWS S RECORD TRAY SELECTOR PUL L I...

Page 6: ...F TOHE ARM SUPPORT RO c I N CO R R E CT CUT OFF A D JUSTMEHTS B I HD I HG OF TRAHSM I SS I OH WORM SHA FT E B I H D lf G O F T R I P L E VER H EEllLE D O E S HOT E H T E R RECOR GROOVE PROPERLY A ALI Gfl I E H T OF NEEllLE W I TH ED GE 0 F RECORD B N E E DLE FA I LS TO ENTER GROOVE MOTOR CARRY OVER SWITCH A D JUSHIEHT A CONTACT P R E S S U R E B llE GREE O F CONTACT OPEfl H G c THI I H G O F MOTOR...

Page 7: ...ET 28 D RATCHET E S CAPEMENT LEVER ALLOWS TOO MAHY PLAYS FOR CO I HS I H S E RTEll 28 r E RATCBET WHEEL B I H lllHG 28 I 5 ELECTRICAL SELECTOR MAKES H O RESPONSE WHEH BUTTOHS ARE PRESSED 28 A GEH ERAL CAUSE 28 B CRE D I T S W I TCH CONTACTS 29 c I H TERLO C K I H G RELAY CONTACTS 29 16 CRED I T DOES H O T CAHCEL OH ELECTRI CAL SELECTOR 29 A S E R I ES RELAY CONTACTS 29 B CREllI T CAHCEL S OLEH O I...

Page 8: ...ctiematic Diagram for Type 8 25 _ I 0 Amplifier 4 8 Fig 10 Front View of Type 825 10 Am pli fier 50 Fig II Bottom View of Type 8 25 1 0 Amp Iifier 5 1 Fig I 2 Sellematic Diagram for Type 8 25 5 Amplifier 5 2 Fig 13 F ront View of Type 825_ 5 Amplifier Sil Fi g I ll Bottom View of Type 8 25 s Amplifier 55 Fig J 5 Schematic Diagram for Type ft 1 5 3 Amplifier 56 Fig 16 Front View of Type 5 15 3 A np...

Page 9: ...ir1et Fror1 t View Door Open Mode1 7800 Cabir1et Rear View Odel 7850 Cabinet Fron t View Model 7850 Cabinet Front View Door Open Model 785 0 Cabinet Rear view Model 8800 Cabiriet Front view M Ct del 9800 Cabir1et Fron t View Hi_Tone Cabinet Assembly Rear View Hi Tone Cabinet A ces sories Upper Rear view Hi Tone Cabir1et Accessories Lower Rear View Hi Tone Cabinet Accessories Front l oor OP en Fron...

Page 10: ...e four wing nuts in each corner of the chassis NOTE The Wing nuts should be removed so that the chassis may be resiliently suspended in the spring mounting This is absolutely es sential in order that the best tone quality may be obtained Whem the instrument is again to be moved these wing nuts should be replaced and tightened down so that they hold the chassis rigidly B CUftRENT SUPPLY FOR INl TRU...

Page 11: ...its tray the title for that particular record should be put in its proper place in the program holder After all trays ha le been filled they must be returned to 2 their original position by hand excepting fo 20 which should re ma in over the turntable D NEEDLE The Syrnphonola Pickup is de signed to use any standard phono graph needle however we recom mend the type supplied with the instrument The ...

Page 12: ...pawls Fig 6H No 1185 are urged inward at all times by the action of the selec tor pawl springs No 1184 3 But when the selector slide No 1180 is in oosition w lih the selector pawis opposite the lugs as shown in Fig 6G then the action of the selector pawl lift springs No 1113 is stronger and overcomes the pressure of the selector pawl springs No 1184 and prevents the selector pawls from engaging th...

Page 13: ...e up position standby power is suoolied and the instrument is ready for operation The octal socket Fig 10 Item 3 Fig 13 Item 3 Fig 16 Item 3J supplies 25 volts to the solenotd drum from which point the 25 volts supply is distrib uted to the various relays and coils on tne solenoid drum and elect ical selector This socket also has two lugs which are connected to e contacts of the motor control reJ ...

Page 14: ...a cles Fig 10 Items 14 and 16 Fig 13 Items 14 ond 16 Fig 161 Items 14 and 16 on the amplifier The fuse Fig 10 Item 15 Fig 13 Item 15 Fig 16 Item 15 in the covered receptacle Fig 10 Item 14 Fig 13 Item 14 Fig 16 Item 14 is a 2 1 2 ampere cartridge type light fuse The fuse Fig 10 Item 17 Fig 13 Item 17 Fig 16 Item 17 in the sc ew type socket Fig 10 Item 16 Fig 13 Item 16 Fig 16 Item 16 is a 2 l 2 am...

Page 15: ... make the selec tion desired It is so con structe l that ir is impossible to excite Uro selection solenoids at 6 once There are two fundamental circuits tlirough the selector switches as shown on the Sche matic diagi em Fig 19 these are the red circuit and the black circuit as labeled The red circuit is comoleted to the sole noid drum when a selector button is pressed The black circuit permits i h...

Page 16: ...ction can be made the interlocking relay must first return to its normal position allowing the 7 series relay circuit to close This means that the operator can not make another selection until he first removes his fingex s from the selector button H NON CHEATING CIBCUIT In order to prevent cheating by tapping the selector buttons lightly a non cheating circuit is included in the electrical selecto...

Page 17: ... Chassis The fm lction of the component parts can best be taken up by a study of the indi vidual functions performed B SELECTIONS ON SOLENOIDS When a selection is made in the Electrical Selector a pulse of current travels to the Sole Drum Assembly Fig 25 through or e of the selector solenoids Fig 25 Item 11 Fig 28 ltem Ml and pushes up the plunger and selector stop pin of that solenoid The rotatin...

Page 18: ... niade frow either the electrical selector or from a remote control box If one number is selected twice the counter will register two selections It operates every time a selecting pulse travels through any of the selec tor solenoids The counter u nit is located inside the Solenoid Drum sub panel and only the nuwerals are visable through the window in the side of the sub panel To pre vent tampering...

Page 19: ...hly with a light grade of good qual ity lubricating oil Wipe clean and re oil sparingly DO NOT USE IJASELINE O 1 NY GREASE IN THE SLIDE GROOVES AS IT ILL GUN UP QUICKLY GAUSIN G A REAl Y LOAD ON THE SELECTOR SLIDE PLATE 2 T O l f ARM A TONE ARH EIGHT PJJJUSTMENT On Model 7800 the weight of the tone arw at the needle with the needle just barely clearing the record should be approximate ly 3 5 ounce...

Page 20: ...lower fre quencies or bass notes Care should be used in adjusting these because bY subduing either the high notes or the low notes to too great an extent the tone quality and faithful reproduction of music will be greatly im paired B VOLUME CONTROL If the volume control Fig 11 Item 3 Fig 14 Item 3 Fig 17 Item 3J which i s located on the back of che amplifier panel should cause the volume to jump t...

Page 21: ...e speaker the following pro cedure is advised 1 Remove the g1 een dummy plug Fig 10 Item 10 Fig 13 Item 10 Fig 16 Item 10 from the amplifier 2 Insert the plug from the speaker control box into either one of the 1 3 two 7 prong speaker sockets Fig 10 Items 11 and 12 Fig 13 Items 11 and 12 Fig 16 Items 11 and 12 3 Insert the plug from the remote speaker into either one of the 7 prong sockets in the ...

Page 22: ...eel the con tacts of the credit switch Fig 24 Item 24 Fig 19 Ite n M3 should close The con tacts should open about 02on t o oion when there is no credit on the ratchet wheel I B SERI ES RELAY The relay Fig 24 Item 1 located n the left side of the Relay Box is the series reJ ay The series relay has two sets of contacts The wear al lowance on the contacts of the Series Felay should be 020 to 030 The...

Page 23: ...ade with a bending tool When selections are made the interlockir g relay Fig 24 Item 22 will operate after the interlockir g switch has closed The relay is mounted in rub ber grommets to prevent mechani cal shock reaching it from the mounting plate The normally closed contact should open before or at the same time the normally open contact closes The normal ly open contact should have a wear allow...

Page 24: ...icient pres sure or they may be dirty and pitted If the pressure is in sufficient it should be in creased by bending the stationary contact blade with a contact bending tool If the contacts are dirty or pitted they may be I S cleaned with a contact burnishing tool Access to the motor control relay and its contacts is ob tained by removing the motor con trol relay cover Fig 25 Item 22 which is held...

Page 25: ...regu lates the end thrust of the selector s aft There should be no side thrust of the shaft The selector disc which is on the shaft should rotate freely hen this adjustment has been 17 made the locking nut on this adjustment screw should be tightened H COUNTER UNIT Should the counter unit Fig 26 Item 7 fail to regis ter each selectin pulse or fail to register at all a check should be made to deter...

Page 26: ...t when a coin passes the switch lever The coin switch assembl should be checked and serviced as outlined in 1 B above The play magazine switch may not be cutting off Check for binding of any sort in the switch le11er or the escapement lever and the ratchet wheel The escaPe ment lever should be free of binding and have about 1 64 inch clearance between the teeth of the lever Fig 5A No 1512A ana the...

Page 27: ...ves be cause the trays are almost cer tain to bind If grease has been used in the tray grooves it can be cleaned off by applying a light grade of good quality lu bricating oil with a brush If the instrument has been in a cold place over night it should be allowed to warm up be fore operating otherwise the lubrication will be stiff plac ing a heavy load on the motor which will often blow the fuse 3...

Page 28: ...e with new springs from the factory I t i s possible that the urntable gears may be meshed too tightly There should be slight play betw een the teeth of the turntable worm gear l tg 4 No l528A and steel l lorm l ig 4 No 1022 he transn1ission i i casing Fig 4 No 1040 con taining tne steel worm assembly can be moved away from the turn table worm gear Fig 4 No 1528A to allow about IJ05 play between t...

Page 29: ...or one recess of the spi ocket past the encil mark and the lock roller No 1822 must stop directly i n this recession The rotation of the selector is controlled by the segment gear Fig 5A o 1807 If the am01mt of rotation of the selector is not correc sn ad justment can be made by adva Dcing or retsrding the small adjusting screw in the segment gear No 1807 Tnls segment ear rotates the helix through...

Page 30: ...ear panel it may eause pressure against the clutch retaining yoke Fig 6C Wo 1508 prevent ing the Yoke from engaging the clutch retain i 1 g lever No 1052 l he trip lever should work freely with the rear anel i nstalled 8 H EEDLE DOES H O T ENTER RECO RI G R O O V E P RO P ERLY A ALIGNMEl T 01 NEEDLE WI l E EDGE 01 IlECO hD As the turntable comes up with a record the needle should contact the recor...

Page 31: ...assis should be oper ated and c ecked to see that the turntable stops just at the bot tom of its downward stroke This i s a test of the timing ad just ent If i t stops too late the helix may be rotated OV r the r e itt p ln If this happens ond the next oin is selected i t will be impos sible for this pin to be pushed all the wa r up be cause it will be stopped b r the 8 lector Disc Stop If this pa...

Page 32: ...le is runni lg at slow speed The clutch then catches up with the turntable and it con tinue to be normal This can be remedied by re ducing the tension of the clutch spring A small screw driver should be used to push the em bedded end of the spring back 1m 1inding it and causing it to have less tension I 2 A D J lJ S H I E H T 0 F S Y M P ll O H O L A CLUTCH TH ROW OUT L EV E R S This adjustment co...

Page 33: ...re replecing test for shorts in the light circuits Mal e certain that t here is a seperetion bet 11een the contai t points of the pickup shorting switch f ig 6 A No 6005 l Check to see 1 f the needle is making contact wit lt the rec ord lith the instrument on the turntable rotating the volume control on full and the pickup shorting switch in open position remove the 6J5GT tube i ig 10 ttem 02 F1i ...

Page 34: ... of he am p lifier power transformer Fig H J Item 23 Fig 13 Item 23 and connected to the 6 0 volt winding of the program lighting transformer Fig 10 Item 25 Fig lo Item 25 By changing the wiring to the heater of this tube Fig 10 Item 33 Fig 13 ltem 33 to correspond with the schematic diagrams Figs 9 and 12 the hum during the warmup period will be entirely elimin ated E MICROPRONIC TUBES Due to the...

Page 35: ...d the escapement lever D RATCHET ESCAPEM T LEVI R A LLOWS TOO MANY PLAYS F OR COINS INSERTED The hook on the end of the ratchet escapement lever Fig 24 Item 13 to which the escapement lever spring Fig 24 Item 14 is connected may fail or nearly fail to engage a tooth when the escape lllent lever is slowly moved to ard t e credit magnet by hand This may be due to too great a distance between the rat...

Page 36: ...ld be re placed C XATCliE wEEEL ESC PE7 wR LEVER The r atchet wheel escape r ent lever Fig 24 Item lo should engage the teeth of the ratchet wheel by appt o im stely 1 3211 to 3 64 The ratchet escapement stop bracket ig 24 Item 16 should strike the ratchet escapement lever a t the lower edge of the escapemeh lever If it strikes the escape ment lever at an y other point the escapement lever is like...

Page 37: ...d selector stop pin are stick ing due to oil or dirt the foreign matter should be cleaned from the moving parts so that they may slide freely These parts should not be lubrica ed C Jll OTOR CONTROL RELAY DOES NOT oeERATE PROPF LY v hen a solenoid plunger is pushed up the grooved contact surface on the lower portion of the solenoid plunger makes con tact with the plunger contact spring Fig 2f Item ...

Page 38: ... closed and locked there will be approximately 1 16 1 free play in the scavenger button be fore it engages the scavenger levers B 25 ADJUSTMENT The deflector for fast mov ing 25 si e slugs of brass lead zinc or german silver may be adjusted by shifting the de lector sr rews Fig 30 Ctem C L f any of these slugs are ac cepted move the deflector dowr if moved too far doi l l quarters will be rejected...

Page 39: ...he proper path The rotary quarter sizer Fig 30 Item L has no adjust ment but it is important that it work freely at all ti lles 32 turning easily under the weight of a quarter USE NO LUBRICANTS The scavenger wiper blade Fig 30 Item N is effected by the adjustment of the deflector for fast m ving 25 size slugs Fig 30 Item C It is im portant that this part move freely and returns to its normal posit...

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