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Appendices

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Ver.2 01.11.2002

7.5

Technical data

* Max. transport height with ladder folded down is 3.1 m

NOTE!

All height measures can be reduced by approx. 200 mm if the machine has not been raised

to its highest top position.

Fan

Noise level: 92 dB(A) (EN-1553)

Tyre inflation pressures

740x180-15”: 2.5 kg/cm

(250 kPa)

200x14.5”: 4.1 kg/cm

(410 kPa)

Accumulators, standard

Volume and gas pressure

RDA 500-600 S= 0.7 litres, 20 bar (415500)

RDA 800 S= 1.4 litres, 20 bar (415501)

Accumulators with wing packers

RDA 500-600 S= 0.7 litres, 50 bar (411976)

RDA 800 S= 1.4 litres, 50 bar (411977)

Table 7.15

Machine

RDA 500 S RDA 600 S RDA 800 S

Working width (m)

5,0

6,0

8,0

Transport width (m)

3,0

Transport height (m)

3,4 *

4,0

Transport height with advantage collar (m)

3,5

3,6

4,0

Filling height (m)

2,8

3,0

Filling height with advantage collar (m)

3,2

3,3

3,4

Hopper capacity (litres)

2700

3300

Seed hopper volume with advantage

collar

(litres)

3600

4100

Max. load in hopper (kg)

2500

3000

Max. trailed weight on tractor (kg)

2500

2800

3200

Disc weight, each approx. (kg)

112

114

113

Machine weight:
Double Crossboard (kg)

4350

5150

7000

System Agrilla (kg)

4550

5450

7250

System Disc (kg)

5050

6000

8900

Rigid tines (kg)

4500

5395

7300

Weight accessory: Centre packers (kg)

300

Top grating (kg)

Pre-emergence markers (kg)

Wing packers (kg)

2x190

4x190

Power requirement, approx. (kW)

110-140

135-170

180-225

Содержание RAPID RDA S Series

Страница 1: ...Ver 2 01 11 2002 900225 en Instructions Seed drill RAPID series RDA 500 800 S No 12 000 12 799...

Страница 2: ...2 Ver 2 01 11 2002...

Страница 3: ...Peas Erbsen Pois 0 80 35 75 110 150 185 225 260 295 335 370 410 445 485 520 B nor Beans Bohnen F ves 0 85 35 75 110 145 185 220 255 290 330 365 400 440 475 510 Havre Oats Hafer Avoine 0 50 25 50 75 10...

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Страница 5: ...6 Fitting the following harrow 21 2 17 Fitting the pre emergence bout markers 22 2 18 Installation of lights 23 3 Instructions and settings 3 1 Tractor 24 3 2 Inspecting the drill s towing eyelet 24 3...

Страница 6: ...Changing discs 80 5 10 Changing disc bearings 81 5 11 Changing seed coulter mounting bolts 82 5 12 Changing wheels 82 5 13 Changing the seals on the hydraulic rams 83 5 14 Changing the valve seals on...

Страница 7: ...dures different to those mentioned in this manual The owner driver is solely responsible for using the drill correctly in every respect V derstad drills are subjected to thorough quality assurance ins...

Страница 8: ...extension area of the drill is clear Never walk under a sus pended section Always check that the automatic catches have engaged before transport or parking To keep the automatic locks in perfect work...

Страница 9: ...when the machine is not in the field The Con trol Box stores all values when switched off If the machine is parked and left resting only on the wheels and support leg the bout markers could start to s...

Страница 10: ...rvice or repair work on the weight transfer hydraulic system the accumulators must be drained of oil See 5 15 Bleeding the hydraulic system accumulators on page 84 Be sure to set the master cylinder s...

Страница 11: ...e 1 5 C Working width D Transport width E Serial CE number F For machines with mftg no 12000 12461 Weight empty incl following harrow and single Crossboard For more information see 7 5 Technical data...

Страница 12: ...hains when lifting the drill When lifting with pallet forks lift from the front in the places indicated by the labels When lifting with lifting straps attach the straps to the folded up wings in the p...

Страница 13: ...ntre section Install these rods on the correct seed box arms Discard of the elastic straps During installation of the centre section swivel rod slightly raise the related wheel on the drill while conn...

Страница 14: ...e turnbuckle are unscrewed an equal distance Check that all bolts are properly tightened The horizontal alignment of the drill will be adjusted later see 3 6 Horizontal alignment on page 30 2 6 Fittin...

Страница 15: ...he transport plates A While connecting the swivel rod to the seed box arm B the related wheel on the drill should be slightly raised For this purpose two people should help each other with the install...

Страница 16: ...he lower mounting point of the fan to the special bracket C with a screw 3 Mount the radar D in the housing E Ensure that the joint F between the two plastic halves faces to the side Do not tighten th...

Страница 17: ...well towards the centre of the drill so that there is sufficient room for the rate test bags Check all the other hose connections 2 11 Fitting the hose bracket Figure 2 12 Fit the hose clamp on the m...

Страница 18: ...It is important to make a secure connection since poor contact will cause malfunction Make sure that the connecting cable to the drill is not trapped under the rear window of the tractor as this may c...

Страница 19: ...under tension when folded in Also verify that the bout marker arm is not affected by the post harrow linkage when it is raised or lowered If necessary adjust the ram length by screwing the piston rod...

Страница 20: ...vered with the scrapers folded up In such cases half of the fixing screws for the arm B are packed inside the hopper The distance between the scraper blade and the tyre should be at least 5 mm To chec...

Страница 21: ...heel tracks and the others travel in the actual wheel tracks Use the adjustment screws F to adjust the work pressure of the following harrow The following harrow maintains almost the same spring force...

Страница 22: ...ctor and then switch off the Control Station Do not walk on the wheels during installation since they could turn 2 17 1 Frame Figure 2 18 Install the front part of the frame B in the centre of the mid...

Страница 23: ...tch J marked WS1 15 D on the solenoid G Test the pre emergence bout marker function When the drill is raised the pre emergence bout marker must also always be lifted when the drill is lowered the pre...

Страница 24: ...rn inlet will be installed according to the tractor manufacture s instruction Female socket is delivered with the machine If the machine is equipped with a hydraulic top rod one more two way hydraulic...

Страница 25: ...riving the drill with an intermediate packer Hitch the intermediate packer to the lifting arms of the tractor We recommend use of category 3 pins Adjust the lifting arms until the lateral travel of th...

Страница 26: ...ssure hose to the hydraulic motor while the thinner is the oil leakage hose The thickest of the hoses the 3 4 return hose should be connected to a separate no pressure return entry Lock the female qui...

Страница 27: ...pper larger holes in the hose brack et The hoses for raising should be put through the holes with the arrow pointing up and those for lowering through the holes with the arrow pointing down Figure 3 8...

Страница 28: ...on B Warning Do not stand with your feet under the tool bar as the machine can drop slightly Figure 3 10 C Raise the seed drill to its topmost position NOTE Folding and unfolding must always be car ri...

Страница 29: ...t mode A Turn off the Low lift function on the Control Box Raise the drill to its topmost position NO TE Folding and unfolding must always be carried out with the central section fully raised B Fold t...

Страница 30: ...ter First pack the soil lightly then scrape away thin layers of soil until the seeds are exposed The seeds in all rows should ap pear simultaneously If they do not the drill is not fully level Figure...

Страница 31: ...he central section see Position A Drive forward and lower the drill Keep holding the hydraulic lever for a few seconds for example until the bout markers un fold Check the sowing depth at the centre o...

Страница 32: ...justed The hydraulic pressure in the weight transfer system can be adjusted as follows A Raise the drill to the topmost position B Open the rear ball valve for the weight transfer accumulator see Posi...

Страница 33: ...de one of the double acting hydraulic takeoff points of the tractor is con nected to the tool bar and when the drill is raised onto its wheels this same double acting takeoff is now connected to the w...

Страница 34: ...ched to the tractor fully unfolded resting on the seed coulters and on a firm surface If necessary adjust the piston rods A to obtain the same operating angle for all tool bars Loosen the opposing nut...

Страница 35: ...The bracket has markings that show the basic settings for different draw bar heights 1 Draw bar height 300 400 mm 2 Draw bar height 400 600 mm 3 Draw bar height 600 800 mm Intermediate packer Prior t...

Страница 36: ...roller a few turns and continue to reduce the scale setting When reducing the scale setting to values under 20 the roller should be rotated continuously The feed roller can be engaged increasingly wit...

Страница 37: ...cale setting from the sowing table and based on previous experience Usually calibration is made on the left seed box with the right one having been disconnected using push button A on the Control Stat...

Страница 38: ...ar a full scale test must be carried out Make 130 turns and weigh the seed collected x 2 The collected amount x 2 is the sowing rate of the drill If the amount collected weighs 3 kg the drill sowing r...

Страница 39: ...re 3 35 2 Use the enclosed bags for calibration Prior to calibration reset the scale with the bags empty Push the bags into the seed boxes from below through the spring loaded doors Figure 3 36 3 Swit...

Страница 40: ...3 38 8 Select a simulated driving speed to enable calibration to correspond to the actual sown amount 9 Fill up the output system by keeping the button above the button depressed for a few seconds Al...

Страница 41: ...42 Also check to make sure that seed does not stick and build up on feed rollers and in the seed boxes Figure 3 41 12 Input the value in kg into the Control Station and confirm by pressing 13 A pulse...

Страница 42: ...ontinue to reduce the scale value When reducing the scale value to less than a value of 20 keep rotating the rollers Increasing the feed roller engagement can be done without any risk of squeezing the...

Страница 43: ...e there is nobody on the drill when feeding the seed Use of an extension handle on the knife blade is recommended Make sure there is nobody on the hopper Avoid contact with and inhalation of seed disi...

Страница 44: ...all seed bags Filling should preferably be done using a loader and the bags placed on a pallet Lift the pallet diagonally from the front right with the tractor turned away to the side up to the guard...

Страница 45: ...ive a distance L of 40 0 m with the RDA 500 S B 5 m a distance L of 33 3 m with the RDA 600 S B 6 m or a distance L of 25 0 m with the RDA 800 S B 8 m NOTE The fan and the other feed housing must be s...

Страница 46: ...hydraulic system but no flow valve the fan speed is instead controlled with a check valve installed on the pressure line between the tractor and the sowing machine The check valve can be ordered as al...

Страница 47: ...e coupling prop erly connects with the shaft 2 Install the top rod in the top rod mount of the tractor Please note the use of two mounting points 3 Install the hydraulic pump to the top rod Select the...

Страница 48: ...ion should ideally be programmed to 300 rpm below the set rpm while the high rpm alarm should be set 300 rpm above the set rpm See 3 20 3 Program ming on page 57 NOTE During operation the oil temperat...

Страница 49: ...mper has four positions Refer to the table below for recommended settings Sliding damper position 1 fully opened Small Grass seed The fourth or between third and fourth position depending on variety d...

Страница 50: ...Instructions and settings 50 Ver 2 01 11 2002 3 20 Control station Figure 3 59 1 2 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 20 19 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 4 3 30 31 32 1...

Страница 51: ...the button lights when automatic operation is engaged Manual change of bout marker 12 Information Used to explain alarm conditions to check the trip meter average speed etc 13 Enter 14 Escape 15 Sele...

Страница 52: ...Instructions and settings 52 Ver 2 01 11 2002 Figure 3 60 1 2 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 20 19 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 4 3 30 31 32 1...

Страница 53: ...n the display shows the speedometer the second one shows the area meter while the third row shows the fan rpm The fourth row shows the selected tramlining programme and the current sequence Alarms are...

Страница 54: ...bout markers should be retracted without lifting the machine from the furrow e g to pass a post or well Press the button and lift the bout marker using the hy draulic lever Use to alternate between lo...

Страница 55: ...the default value Max 5 steps and max up down of 99 Calibration only applies to hydraulic feed output Enter the calibration menu by simultaneously pressing and See Figure 3 61 Pro ceed according to 3...

Страница 56: ...r ha speedometer average speed in km h and the total timer h It is not possible to reset the trip total area meter speedometer and the total timer The other meters can be reset by first selecting the...

Страница 57: ...ackground Use to confirm a selection and then select or change the value of the selected item Confirm the value selection with Menus 1 Language Select the desired language for alarm texts etc 2 Machin...

Страница 58: ...receipt of the alarm signal from the seed box rotation guards and the visual audible alarm of the Control Station The alarm should be slightly delayed to avoid alarms at low speeds Nevertheless the d...

Страница 59: ...cre ated and or updated Also a short cut to the installation programme VaderstadControlSta tion will be created on the PC desktop 4 Double click on the VaderstadControlStation icon and follow the on...

Страница 60: ...raised into place to close the outlet while opening a trap to allow seed to return to the hopper The flaps are controlled by a spring B on a motor driven disc C under the distributor head The electri...

Страница 61: ...set using the Control Station The selected tramlining pro gramme is shown at the lower left of the display while the current furrow in the sequence is shown at the lower right part Keep the button de...

Страница 62: ...mlining programme Start value Note 12 m 2 1 First bout drive with half the drill shut off Second bout overlap half the first bout 18 m 3 2 24 m 4 2 First bout drive with half the drill shut off Second...

Страница 63: ...ft and the fore right one step inward Y For bigger changes in track width it may be necessary to move the hos es inside the hopper instead 3 21 2 Adjusting row shutoff Figure 3 67 Tramlining can be do...

Страница 64: ...ll when turning Figure 3 69 3 Check that the following harrow tines trail in the between the wheel tracks and in the actual wheel tracks respectively This indicates that the following harrow tines tra...

Страница 65: ...service Never work beneath the drill during service or maintenance without first ensuring that it is safely supported on stands and that all lifting rams are locked There are 3 lifting rams to contro...

Страница 66: ...ers press the coulters closer to the discs as the nuts are tightened The nuts should not be tightened so much that the coulters cannot be rocked by hand It is important that the coulters do not press...

Страница 67: ...ter fitting the lateral position of the scraper is not correct it can be adjusted using a suitable tool 3 27 Wing packers option Figure 3 76 The wing packer height can be set using the adjusting screw...

Страница 68: ...seed lings On fields with varying soil type sowing depth should be checked and adjusted continually to en sure that the correct sowing depth is maintained throughout the field Sowing depth must be adj...

Страница 69: ...re not sure whether the seed has blown out repeat this procedure Start with tramlining activated and with all coulters except those switched off for tramlining de livering seed Then advance past the t...

Страница 70: ...e sowing or seed feed functions of the drill or any part thereof It is the responsibility of the operator to use properly pre treated seed treated with dressings which do not impair or prevent seed fe...

Страница 71: ...t tramlining is to shut off Autostep be fore doing anything other than normal sowing or turning in headlands between bouts So remember to switch Autostep off before raising the drill to pass an obstru...

Страница 72: ...rker again In this case it is not necessary use the functions selectors for auto advancing nor the bout markers 4 8 Turning with Low lift When the drill is lifted out of work at the headland the drive...

Страница 73: ...RDA 500 800 S Ver 2 01 11 2002 73...

Страница 74: ...e lifting rams during service on page 65 Ensure also that the surface supporting the trestles is firm enough to support them If the hopper is full which it ought not to be the weight of the drill is c...

Страница 75: ...RDA 500 800 S Ver 2 01 11 2002 75 Figure 5 4...

Страница 76: ...to be used for a long time Grease galvanized and chromium plated surfaces before long periods of storage To maintain the quality of this seed drill always use V derstad original spare parts 5 2 Seed f...

Страница 77: ...rly Use grease on the angled surface of the locking bar and around where the bar is in contact with the hopper 5 5 Push rod push rod ram Figure 5 10 Dismantle the push rod at the end of the season and...

Страница 78: ...A which controls the doors must be cleaned regularly Clean the hopper the rape brushes the feed housing and other components at the end of the sea son Check also that no seed has fallen into the eject...

Страница 79: ...d indoors The Control Box should be stored at room temperature during the winter and between seasons Highly finished metal parts of the drill e g the piston rods and wearing surfaces should be greased...

Страница 80: ...cate at the end of each season 5 9 Changing discs Make sure that the drill is securely supported on trestles When changing discs use a ratchet spanner or preferably a nut runner Turn the disc so that...

Страница 81: ...an be ordered from V derstad Verken AB Part No 413549 When the bearings are changed the new seals must be greased See the diagram for details on the orientation of the seal components The bearing must...

Страница 82: ...a few washers and a nut not a lock nut Grease the threads of the washers and nut well and draw the bolt in using the nut Be sure to use enough washers so that the nut does not go beyond the thread on...

Страница 83: ...nscrew the piston rod guide A using the special key B B Pull out the piston rod and change the seals NOTE Be very sure that the seals are facing the correct way C Carefully check that the collar C is...

Страница 84: ...lve is probably leaking 5 15 Bleeding the hydraulic system accumulators NOTE Before starting service work on the part of the hydraulic system controlling the folding and weight transfer system drain a...

Страница 85: ...apy water on the hoses when removing and refitting Twist the hose anticlockwise during removal and replacement so that the spiral reinforcement opens up the hose slightly Cut the spare hose to the sam...

Страница 86: ...d pull the motor slightly forward until the chain deflection is correct 5 20 Replacing the oil filter in the hydraulic unit Cleanliness is imperative when servicing and performing maintenance on the h...

Страница 87: ...ighten by hand In order to bleed the system and to clean the filled up oil as well operate the fan while keeping the tractor at idle for a couple of minutes see below 5 21 2 Oil and oil filter replace...

Страница 88: ...ince it could cause damage to the pump and pump motor Start the fan with the tractor at idle Listen to the fan and wait until it operates smoothly If air bubbles are visible in the inspection window a...

Страница 89: ...wn and ground blue been connected properly Check whether the automatic fuse of the Control Station has tripped Check the settings on the Control Station Check whether both connectors of the intermedia...

Страница 90: ...etism may be present in the nut perform this inspection with the power switched on and off The bout marker valves A and B receive current when their indicator lamps on the Control Station light and th...

Страница 91: ...agnet See the figure This can easily be tested using a multimeter and a magnet 6 1 5 Inductive detector Figure 6 4 These sensors trigger when metal objects pass within a distance of 1 1 5 mm A functio...

Страница 92: ...out marker valves when the wings of the drill are retracted This prevents a bout marker from being unintentionally unfolded in this position Disconnect to the switch connector from the Workstation and...

Страница 93: ...rker ram does not leak on the outside and inside For seal replacement see 5 13 Changing the seals on the hydraulic rams on page 83 If the bout marker unfolds when the machine is parked set the stopper...

Страница 94: ...off the Control Station and check whether the drill can be raised If it is still not possible to raise the machine the fault can be found in the hydraulic sys tem Check whether a shortcircuit has occ...

Страница 95: ...r and remove the quick connector Start the fan Collect the drained oil in a container Measure the pressure Measure the amount of oil ex iting during one full minute A considerable pressure drop would...

Страница 96: ...and inspect the sensor See 6 1 5 Inductive de tector on page 91 Check the cable connector and connection of the sen sor Has the correct drive wheel circumference been pro grammed into the Control Stat...

Страница 97: ...discs afford better traction if the seed boxes are raised one notch Are discs excessively worn Does the soil surface contain a lot of plant scrubs Are the tines of the front implement set too hard re...

Страница 98: ...he LED of the sensor should light when the toothed plate passes The distance between the sensor and the toothed plate should be 1 2 mm Adjust if necessary A lit LED however is not necessarily any guar...

Страница 99: ...he sensor If the alarm is generated intermittently a likely cause is incorrect adjustment of the sensor or a defective sensor 19 Seed fan high rpm Check whether the hydraulic oil flow from the tractor...

Страница 100: ...onnectors The green indicator lamp on the Workstation shows that voltage is present however the lamp could light even though the intermediate cable is partially damaged 29 Voltage error Workstation 1...

Страница 101: ...the hydraulic oil flow sufficient Does the seed out put fan start Check whether the seed boxes can rotate by hand Check the cable connector and connection of the sen sor Check the operation of the sen...

Страница 102: ...able Always perform seed calibration The information in the sowing table should be used only as a guideline For small seed output amounts new seed calibrations should be performed regu larly Check the...

Страница 103: ...415 450 485 rtor Peas Erbsen Pois 0 80 35 75 110 150 185 225 260 295 335 370 410 445 485 520 B nor Beans Bohnen F ves 0 85 35 75 110 145 185 220 255 290 330 365 400 440 475 510 Havre Oats Hafer Avoine...

Страница 104: ...Appendices 104 Ver 2 01 11 2002 7 2 Calibration Results Table 7 1 Crop kg dm High low gear Scale reading 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 110 120 130 140...

Страница 105: ...RDA 500 800 S Ver 2 01 11 2002 105...

Страница 106: ...Appendices 106 Ver 2 01 11 2002 7 3 Hydraulic diagram 7 3 1 Hydraulic diagram RDA 500 600 S Figure 7 1 428717...

Страница 107: ...Hydraulic ram folding and weight transfer 12 Valve block Lift stop bout markers pre emergence markers 13 2 way valve drive wheel sensing Only on RDA 500 S 14 3 way ball valve transport position 15 2 w...

Страница 108: ...Appendices 108 Ver 2 01 11 2002 7 3 2 Hydraulic diagram RDA 800 S Figure 7 2 428718...

Страница 109: ...raulic ram folding and weight transfer 12 Valve block Lift stop bout markers pre emergence markers 13 Flow divider folding 14 3 way ball valve transport position 15 2 way valve transport position 16 2...

Страница 110: ...Appendices 110 Ver 2 01 11 2002 7 3 3 Fenix fl kt standard Figure 7 3 A Hydraulic motor B Valve block C Tractor B A C...

Страница 111: ...S Ver 2 01 11 2002 111 7 3 4 Fenix fan PTO Figure 7 4 A Hydraulic pump B Hydraulic motor C Choke valve D Radiator E Air filter F Oil filter G Contamination indicator H Hydraulic tank I Tractor A B C...

Страница 112: ...112 Ver 2 01 11 2002 7 3 5 Hydraulic feed output Figur 7 5 429874 A Fan B Seed box C Hydraulic motors D Oil filter E 3 port pressure compensating flow valve F Damping valve G 2 way cock H Tractor A B...

Страница 113: ...ft hand seed output roller WS1 5 Fan revolution counter WS1 6 Speedometer drive wheel radar WS1 8 Mini remote WS1 9 Wing folding boundary switch WS1 10 Low lift switch WS1 12 Check valve output motor...

Страница 114: ...cted Matter not detected WS1 1 WS1 2 1 Black 1 Matter detected Soil LED lights Max 1 V Min 8 V 2 White 2 Matter not detected Soil Min 8 V Max 1 V 3 Brown 3 12 V 4 Blue 4 0 V Tabell 7 4 Workstation con...

Страница 115: ...Tabell 7 5 Workstation connection Terminal A Cable colour Terminal B Function WS1 16 WS1 17 1 Black 1 Tramlining off 12 V 2 Brown 2 Tramlining on 12 V 3 3 4 Blue 4 0 V Tabell 7 6 Workstation connecti...

Страница 116: ...ell 7 7 Workstation connection Terminal A Cable colour Terminal B Function WS1 12 WS1 14 WS1 15 WS1 18 WS1 19 WS1 20 WS1 21 1 2 Brown 1 12 V supply to valve red lamp lights 3 4 Blue 2 0 V Tabell 7 8 W...

Страница 117: ...2 7 4 9 Terminator plug Figur 7 13 Tabell 7 9 Pole Cable colour Function 1 Blue 0 V 2 Yellow CAN LO communication 3 Brown 12 V Green CAN HI communication Tabell 7 10 Pole Function 1 0 V 2 Terminator r...

Страница 118: ...7 4 11 Radar Figure 7 15 Tabell 7 11 Pole Cable colour Function 1 Green 360 pulses per turn pulse ground signal 2 Red 12 V 3 Black 0 V Tabell 7 12 Workstation connection Pole A Cable colour Pole B Fu...

Страница 119: ...WS1 8 1 Black Seed output by depressing push button B contact between terminal 1 and terminal 4 on WS1 8 4 Blue 0 V Table 7 14 Workstation connection Pole Cable colour Function WS1 23 1 Brown Seed ou...

Страница 120: ...600 S RDA 800 S Working width m 5 0 6 0 8 0 Transport width m 3 0 3 0 3 0 Transport height m 3 4 3 4 4 0 Transport height with advantage collar m 3 5 3 6 4 0 Filling height m 2 8 2 8 3 0 Filling heig...

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