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AFF A200 systems

ONTAP Systems

NetApp
June 27, 2022

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Page 2: ...Table of Contents AFF A200 System Documentation 1 Install and setup 1 Maintain 1 ...

Page 3: ...ion and Setup Instructions poster to install and set up your new system The PDF poster provides step by step instructions with live links to additional content Installation and setup video AFF A200 The AFF A200 Setup Video shows end to end software configuration for systems running ONTAP 9 2 Maintain Boot media Overview of boot media replacement AFF A200 The boot media stores a primary and seconda...

Page 4: ... If the impaired controller is at the LOADER prompt and is part of HA configuration log in as admin on the healthy controller If the impaired controller is in a standalone configuration and at LOADER prompt contact mysupport netapp com 2 If AutoSupport is enabled suppress automatic case creation by invoking an AutoSupport message system node autosupport invoke node type all message MAINT number_of...

Page 5: ... key managers display available it s safe to shut down the impaired controller If the Restored column displays anything other than yes or if any key manager displays unavailable you need to complete some additional steps If you see the message This command is not supported when onboard key management is enabled you need to complete some other additional steps 2 If the Restored column displayed any...

Page 6: ...u might need to manually recover OKM Return to admin mode set priv admin You can safely shutdown the controller Verify NSE configuration Steps 1 Display the key IDs of the authentication keys that are stored on the key management servers security key manager query If the Restored column displays yes and all key managers display available it s safe to shut down the impaired controller If the Restor...

Page 7: ...d to continue set priv advanced Enter the command to back up the OKM information security key manager backup show Make sure that OKM information is saved in your log file This information will be needed in disaster scenarios where OKM might need to be manually recovered Copy the contents of the backup information to a separate file or your log You ll need it in disaster scenarios where you might n...

Page 8: ...ome additional steps 1 If the Key Manager type displays onboard and the Restored column displays yes manually back up the OKM information a Go to advanced privilege mode and enter y when prompted to continue set priv advanced b Enter the command to display the key management information security key manager onboard show backup c Copy the contents of the backup information to a separate file or you...

Page 9: ...onfirming these types is the same as confirming external or onboard key manager types If the Key Manager type displays external and the Restored column displays yes it s safe to shut down the impaired controller If the Key Manager type displays onboard and the Restored column displays yes you need to complete some additional steps If the Key Manager type displays external and the Restored column d...

Page 10: ...ey manager key query c Verify that the Key Manager type shows onboard and then manually back up the OKM information d Go to advanced privilege mode and enter y when prompted to continue set priv advanced e Enter the command to display the key management backup information security key manager onboard show backup f Copy the contents of the backup information to a separate file or your log file You ...

Page 11: ...1 Remove the controller To access components inside the controller you must first remove the controller module from the system and then remove the cover on the controller module Steps 1 If you are not already grounded properly ground yourself 2 Loosen the hook and loop strap binding the cables to the cable management device and then unplug the system cables and SFPs if needed from the controller m...

Page 12: ...a flat stable surface 6 Open the cover by sliding in the blue tabs to release the cover and then swing the cover up and open Step 2 Replace the boot media You must locate the boot media in the controller and follow the directions to replace it Steps 10 ...

Page 13: ...e same image version of ONTAP as what the impaired controller was running You can download the appropriate image from the Downloads section on the NetApp Support Site If NVE is enabled download the image with NetApp Volume Encryption as indicated in the download button If NVE is not enabled download the image without NetApp Volume Encryption as indicated in the download button If your system is an...

Page 14: ...fconfig e0a addr filer_addr mask netmask gw gateway dns dns_addr domain dns_domain filer_addr is the IP address of the storage system netmask is the network mask of the management network that is connected to the HA partner gateway is the gateway for the network dns_addr is the IP address of a name server on your network dns_domain is the Domain Name System DNS domain name If you use this optional...

Page 15: ...pdate press y 4 Ensure that the environmental variables are set as expected a Take the controller to the LOADER prompt b Check the environment variable settings with the printenv command c If an environment variable is not set as expected modify it with the setenv environment variable name changed value command d Save your changes using the saveenv command 5 The next depends on your system configu...

Page 16: ...abled along with Onboard Key Manager you must restore settings you captured at the beginning of this procedure If NSE or NVE are enabled and Onboard Key Manager is enabled go to Option 1 Restore NVE or NSE when Onboard Key Manager is enabled If NSE or NVE are enabled for ONATP 9 5 go to Option 2 Restore NSE NVE on systems running ONTAP 9 5 and earlier If NSE or NVE are enabled for ONTAP 9 6 go to ...

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Page 18: ...curity key manager onboard sync command and then enter the passphrase when prompted b Enter the security key manager key query command to see a detailed view of all keys stored in the onboard key manager and verify that the Restored column yes true for all authentication keys If the Restored column anything other than yes true contact Customer Support c Wait 10 minutes for the key to synchronize a...

Page 19: ...nd fails because the partner not ready wait 5 minutes for the NVMEMs to synchronize If the command fails because of an NDMP SnapMirror or SnapVault process disable the process See the appropriate Documentation Center for more information 5 Wait 3 minutes and check the failover status with the storage failover show command 6 At the clustershell prompt enter the net int show is home false command to...

Page 20: ... Key Management settings Rerun the security key manager key show detail command to verify Restored column yes for all authentication keys 12 Connect the console cable to the partner controller 13 Give back the controller using the storage failover giveback fromnode local command 14 Restore automatic giveback if you disabled it by using the storage failover modify node local auto giveback true comm...

Page 21: ...ll prompt to review the output 10 Use the security key manager key query command to display the key IDs of the authentication keys that are stored on the key management servers If the Restored column yes true you are done and can proceed to complete the replacement process If the Key Manager type external and the Restored column anything other than yes true use the security key manager external re...

Page 22: ... controller in the chassis prior to moving them to the new chassis About this task If you have a cluster with more than two controllers it must be in quorum If the cluster is not in quorum or a healthy controller shows false for eligibility and health you must correct the issue before shutting down the impaired controller see the Administration overview with the CLI If AutoSupport is enabled suppr...

Page 23: ...ware that you might lose any data that was not saved to disk 3 Where applicable halt the second controller to avoid a possible quorum error message in an HA pair configuration system node halt node second_node_name ignore quorum warnings true skip lif migration before shutdown true Answer y when prompted Move and replace hardware AFF A200 Move the power supplies hard drives and controller module o...

Page 24: ...upply using the power cable locking mechanism Only connect the power cable to the power supply Do not connect the power cable to a power source at this time Step 2 Remove the controller module Remove the controller module or modules from the old chassis Steps 1 Loosen the hook and loop strap binding the cables to the cable management device and then unplug the system cables and SFPs if needed from...

Page 25: ... The drive should disengage from the chassis allowing it to slide free of the chassis When removing a drive always use two hands to support its weight Drives are fragile Handle them as little as possible to prevent damage to them 3 Align the drive from the old chassis with the same bay opening in the new chassis 4 Gently push the drive into the chassis as far as it will go The cam handle engages a...

Page 26: ... system cabinet using the screws you removed from the old chassis 7 If you have not already done so install the bezel Step 5 Install the controller After you install the controller module and any other components into the new chassis boot it to a state where you can run the interconnect diagnostic test About this task For HA pairs with two controller modules in the same chassis the sequence in whi...

Page 27: ...sive force when sliding the controller module into the chassis to avoid damaging the connectors b If you have not already done so reinstall the cable management device c Bind the cables to the cable management device with the hook and loop strap d Reinstall the blanking panel and then go to the next step 5 Connect the power supplies to different power sources and then turn them on 6 Boot each cont...

Page 28: ...edures are issued from the controller where the component is being replaced Steps 1 If the controller to be serviced is not at the LOADER prompt perform the following steps a Select the Maintenance mode option from the displayed menu b After the controller boots to Maintenance mode halt the controller halt After you issue the command you should wait until the system stops at the LOADER prompt Duri...

Page 29: ... status logs sldiag device clearstatus b Verify that the log was cleared sldiag device status The following default response is displayed SLDIAG No log messages are present c Exit Maintenance mode on both controllers halt The system displays the LOADER prompt You must exit Maintenance mode on both controllers before proceeding any further d Enter the following command on both controllers at the LO...

Page 30: ... version of the ONTAP operating system What you ll need All drive shelves must be working properly If your system is in an HA pair the healthy controller must be able to take over the controller that is being replaced referred to in this procedure as the impaired node About this task You must replace the failed component with a replacement FRU component you received from your provider You must rep...

Page 31: ...ase creation for two hours cluster1 system node autosupport invoke node type all message MAINT 2h 2 If the impaired controller is part of an HA pair disable automatic giveback from the console of the healthy controller storage failover modify node local auto giveback false 3 Take the impaired controller to the LOADER prompt If the impaired controller is displaying Then The LOADER prompt Go to Remo...

Page 32: ...en you reinstall the cable management device the cables are organized 3 Remove and set aside the cable management devices from the left and right sides of the controller module 4 If you left the SFP modules in the system after removing the cables move them to the new controller module 5 Squeeze the latch on the cam handle until it releases open the cam handle fully to release the controller module...

Page 33: ... or pull the boot media straight up because this could damage the socket or the boot media 3 Move the boot media to the new controller module align the edges of the boot media with the socket housing and then gently push it into the socket 4 Check the boot media to make sure that it is seated squarely and completely in the socket If necessary remove the boot media and reseat it into the socket 5 P...

Page 34: ...D flashes until the destage is complete and then the LED turns off If the LED is on and power is on unwritten data is stored on NVMEM This typically occurs during an uncontrolled shutdown after ONTAP has successfully booted 2 Locate the NVMEM battery in the controller module 3 Locate the battery plug and squeeze the clip on the face of the battery plug to release the plug from the socket and then ...

Page 35: ... About this task You must have the new controller module ready so that you can move the DIMMs directly from the impaired controller module to the corresponding slots in the replacement controller module Steps 1 Locate the DIMMs on your controller module 2 Note the orientation of the DIMM in the socket so that you can insert the DIMM in the replacement controller module in the proper orientation 3 ...

Page 36: ...A pairs with two controller modules in the same chassis the sequence in which you install the controller module is especially important because it attempts to reboot as soon as you completely seat it in the chassis The system might update system firmware when it boots Do not abort this process The procedure requires you to interrupt the boot process which you can typically do at any time after pro...

Page 37: ... into the chassis to avoid damaging the connectors The controller begins to boot as soon as it is seated in the chassis b If you have not already done so reinstall the cable management device c Bind the cables to the cable management device with the hook and loop strap d When you see the message Press Ctrl C for Boot Menu press Ctrl C to interrupt the boot process If you miss the prompt and the co...

Page 38: ... menu select the option for Maintenance mode During the boot process you might see the following prompts A prompt warning of a system ID mismatch and asking to override the system ID A prompt warning that when entering Maintenance mode in an HA configuration you must ensure that the healthy controller remains down You can safely respond y to these prompts Restore and verify the system configuratio...

Page 39: ...the HA state of the controller module and if necessary update the state to match your system configuration Steps 1 In Maintenance mode from the new controller module verify that all components display the same HA state ha config show The value for HA state can be one of the following ha non ha 2 If the displayed system state of the controller module does not match your system configuration set the...

Page 40: ...odule devices and ports displayed can be any one or more of the following bootmedia is the system booting device cna is a Converged Network Adapter or interface not connected to a network or storage device fcal is a Fibre Channel Arbitrated Loop device not connected to a Fibre Channel network env is motherboard environmentals mem is system memory nic is a network interface card nvram is nonvolatil...

Page 41: ...ests that you want to run sldiag device modify dev dev_name selection only selection only disables all other tests that you do not want to run for the device d Run the selected tests sldiag device run dev dev_name After the test is complete the following message is displayed SLDIAG _ALL_TESTS_COMPLETED e Verify that no tests failed sldiag device status dev dev_name long state failed System level d...

Page 42: ...t to run for the device d Verify that the tests were modified sldiag device show e Repeat these substeps for each device that you want to run concurrently f Run diagnostics on all of the devices sldiag device run Do not add to or modify your entries after you start running diagnostics After the test is complete the following message is displayed SLDIAG _ALL_TESTS_COMPLETED g Verify that there are ...

Page 43: ...e securely connected and that hardware components are properly installed in the storage system d Reconnect the power supplies and then power on the storage system e Rerun the system level diagnostics test Recable the system and reassign disks AFF A200 Continue the replacement procedure by re cabling the storage and confirming disk reassignment Step 1 Re cable the system After running diagnostics y...

Page 44: ...t the controller entering y if you are prompted to override the system ID due to a system ID mismatch boot_ontap 3 Wait until the Waiting for giveback message is displayed on the replacement controller console and then from the healthy controller verify that the new partner system ID has been automatically assigned storage failover show In the command output you should see a message that the syste...

Page 45: ...eback has been completed confirm that the HA pair is healthy and that takeover is possible storage failover show The output from the storage failover show command should not include the System ID changed on partner message 6 Verify that the disks were assigned correctly storage disk show ownership The disks belonging to the replacement controller should show the new system ID In the following exam...

Page 46: ...stem ID mismatch 3 View the system IDs disk show a 4 You should make a note of the old system ID which is displayed as part of the disk owner column The following example shows the old system ID of 118073209 disk show a Local System ID 118065481 DISK OWNER POOL SERIAL NUMBER HOME disk_name system 1 118073209 Pool0 J8XJE9LC system 1 118073209 disk_name system 1 118073209 Pool0 J8Y478RC system 1 118...

Page 47: ...iring standard licenses continue to be available to the replacement node However if the impaired node was the only node in the cluster with a license for the feature no configuration changes to the feature are allowed Also using unlicensed features on the node might put you out of compliance with your license agreement so you should install the replacement license key or keys on the replacement no...

Page 48: ...ify LIFs and registering the serial number Before returning the replacement node to service you should verify that the LIFs are on their home ports and register the serial number of the replacement node if AutoSupport is enabled and reset automatic giveback Steps 1 Verify that the logical interfaces are reporting to their home server and ports network interface show is home false If any LIFs are l...

Page 49: ...ssage suppresses automatic case creation for two hours cluster1 system node autosupport invoke node type all message MAINT 2h 2 If the impaired controller is part of an HA pair disable automatic giveback from the console of the healthy controller storage failover modify node local auto giveback false 3 Take the impaired controller to the LOADER prompt If the impaired controller is displaying Then ...

Page 50: ...e the cables are organized 3 Remove and set aside the cable management devices from the left and right sides of the controller module 4 Squeeze the latch on the cam handle until it releases open the cam handle fully to release the controller module from the midplane and then using two hands pull the controller module out of the chassis 5 Turn the controller module over and place it on a flat stabl...

Page 51: ...ck the NVMEM LED on the controller module You must perform a clean system shutdown before replacing system components to avoid losing unwritten data in the nonvolatile memory NVMEM The LED is located on the back of the controller module Look for the following icon 3 If the NVMEM LED is not flashing there is no content in the NVMEM you can skip the following steps and proceed to the next task in th...

Page 52: ...d on the board next to each DIMM slot The LED for the faulty blinks every two seconds 7 Note the orientation of the DIMM in the socket so that you can insert the replacement DIMM in the proper orientation 8 Eject the DIMM from its slot by slowly pushing apart the two DIMM ejector tabs on either side of the DIMM and then slide the DIMM out of the slot Carefully hold the DIMM by the edges to avoid p...

Page 53: ... the ejector tabs snap into place over the notches at the ends of the DIMM 12 Locate the NVMEM battery plug socket and then squeeze the clip on the face of the battery cable plug to insert it into the socket Make sure that the plug locks down onto the controller module 13 Close the controller module cover Step 4 Reinstall the controller module After you replace components in the controller module ...

Page 54: ... the cam handle to the locked position Do not use excessive force when sliding the controller module into the chassis to avoid damaging the connectors The controller begins to boot as soon as it is seated in the chassis b If you have not already done so reinstall the cable management device c Bind the cables to the cable management device with the hook and loop strap d When you see the message Pre...

Page 55: ...pted and then boot to Maintenance mode e From the boot menu select the option for Maintenance mode Step 5 Run system level diagnostics After installing a new DIMM you should run diagnostics What you ll need Your system must be at the LOADER prompt to start System Level Diagnostics About this task All commands in the diagnostic procedures are issued from the controller where the component is being ...

Page 56: ... Then Were completed without any failures a Clear the status logs sldiag device clearstatus b Verify that the log was cleared sldiag device status The following default response is displayed SLDIAG No log messages are present c Exit Maintenance mode halt The controller displays the LOADER prompt d Boot the controller from the LOADER prompt bye e Return the controller to normal operation If your co...

Page 57: ...ntified for running system level diagnostics that cables are securely connected and that hardware components are properly installed in the storage system d Boot the controller module you are servicing interrupting the boot by pressing Ctrl C when prompted to get to the Boot menu If you have two controller modules in the chassis fully seat the controller module you are servicing in the chassis The ...

Page 58: ... halt The controller displays the LOADER prompt d Boot the controller from the LOADER prompt bye e Return the controller to normal operation If your controller is in an HA pair perform a give back storage failover giveback ofnode replacement_node_name If you disabled automatic giveback re enable it with the storage failover modify command If your controller is in a stand alone configuration procee...

Page 59: ...ller modules in the chassis fully seat the controller module you are servicing in the chassis The controller module boots up when fully seated If you have one controller module in the chassis connect the power supplies and then turn them on e Select Boot to maintenance mode from the menu f Exit Maintenance mode by entering the following command halt After you issue the command wait until the syste...

Page 60: ...ption Power Guide These Instructions describe additional steps you must perform before and after replacing an SED Make sure the replacement drive is supported by your platform See the NetApp Hardware Universe Make sure all other components in the system are functioning properly if not you must contact technical support About this task Drive firmware is automatically updated nondisruptively on new ...

Page 61: ...ED on the drive shelf operator display panel and the failed drive illuminate The activity green LED on a failed drive can be illuminated solid which indicates that the drive has power but should not be blinking which indicates I O activity A failed drive has no I O activity 4 Remove the failed drive a Press the release button on the drive face to open the cam handle b Slide the drive out of the sh...

Page 62: ... support at NetApp Support 888 463 8277 North America 00 800 44 638277 Europe or 800 800 80 800 Asia Pacific if you need the RMA number or additional help with the replacement procedure Option 2 Replace HDD 1 If you want to manually assign drive ownership for the replacement drive you need to disable automatic drive assignment replacement drive if it is enabled You manually assign drive ownership ...

Page 63: ...replacement drive into the same drive bay from which you removed the failed drive Use two hands when inserting the disk drive but do not place hands on the disk drive boards that are exposed on the underside of the disk carrier 9 Close the cam handle so that the disk drive is fully seated into the midplane and the handle clicks into place Be sure to close the cam handle slowly so that it aligns co...

Page 64: ... the controller so that the healthy controller continues to serve data from the impaired controller storage If you have a cluster with more than two nodes it must be in quorum If the cluster is not in quorum or a healthy controller shows false for eligibility and health you must correct the issue before shutting down the impaired controller see the Administration overview with the CLI Steps 1 If A...

Page 65: ...odule from the system and then remove the cover on the controller module Steps 1 If you are not already grounded properly ground yourself 2 Loosen the hook and loop strap binding the cables to the cable management device and then unplug the system cables and SFPs if needed from the controller module keeping track of where the cables were connected Leave the cables in the cable management device so...

Page 66: ...pen the cover by sliding in the blue tabs to release the cover and then swing the cover up and open Step 3 Replace the NVMEM battery To replace the NVMEM battery in your system you must remove the failed NVMEM battery from the system and replace it with a new NVMEM battery 64 ...

Page 67: ...turns off If power is lost without a clean shutdown the NVMEM LED flashes until the destage is complete and then the LED turns off If the LED is on and power is on unwritten data is stored on NVMEM This typically occurs during an uncontrolled shutdown after ONTAP has successfully booted 3 Locate the NVMEM battery in the controller module 4 Locate the battery plug and squeeze the clip on the face o...

Page 68: ...einstall the controller module After you replace components in the controller module reinstall it into the chassis Steps 1 If you are not already grounded properly ground yourself 2 If you have not already done so replace the cover on the controller module 3 Align the end of the controller module with the opening in the chassis and then gently push the controller module halfway into the system Do ...

Page 69: ... into the chassis to avoid damaging the connectors The controller begins to boot as soon as it is seated in the chassis b If you have not already done so reinstall the cable management device c Bind the cables to the cable management device with the hook and loop strap d When you see the message Press Ctrl C for Boot Menu press Ctrl C to interrupt the boot process If you miss the prompt and the co...

Page 70: ...n at the LOADER prompt enter boot_ontap press Ctrl C when prompted and then boot to Maintenance mode e From the boot menu select the option for Maintenance mode Step 5 Run system level diagnostics After installing a new NVMEM battery you should run diagnostics What you ll need Your system must be at the LOADER prompt to start System Level Diagnostics About this task All commands in the diagnostic ...

Page 71: ...oceed based on the result of the preceding step If the system level diagnostics tests Then Were completed without any failures a Clear the status logs sldiag device clearstatus b Verify that the log was cleared sldiag device status The following default response is displayed SLDIAG No log messages are present c Exit Maintenance mode halt The controller displays the LOADER prompt d Boot the control...

Page 72: ... C when prompted to get to the Boot menu If you have two controller modules in the chassis fully seat the controller module you are servicing in the chassis The controller module boots up when fully seated If you have one controller module in the chassis connect the power supplies and then turn them on e Select Boot to maintenance mode from the menu f Exit Maintenance mode by entering the followin...

Page 73: ...wer supply c Unplug the power cable from the power source 4 Squeeze the latch on the power supply cam handle and then open the cam handle to fully release the power supply from the mid plane If you have an AFF A200 system a plastic flap within the now empty slot is released to cover the opening and maintain air flow and cooling 5 Use the cam handle to slide the power supply out of the system When ...

Page 74: ...over the controller so that the healthy controller continues to serve data from the impaired controller storage If you have a cluster with more than two nodes it must be in quorum If the cluster is not in quorum or a healthy controller shows false for eligibility and health you must correct the issue before shutting down the impaired controller see the Administration overview with the CLI Steps 1 ...

Page 75: ...odule from the system and then remove the cover on the controller module Steps 1 If you are not already grounded properly ground yourself 2 Loosen the hook and loop strap binding the cables to the cable management device and then unplug the system cables and SFPs if needed from the controller module keeping track of where the cables were connected Leave the cables in the cable management device so...

Page 76: ...at stable surface 6 Open the cover by sliding in the blue tabs to release the cover and then swing the cover up and open Step 3 Replace the RTC battery To replace the RTC battery locate it inside the controller and follow the specific sequence of steps 74 ...

Page 77: ...ic shipping bag 5 Locate the empty battery holder in the controller module 6 Note the polarity of the RTC battery and then insert it into the holder by tilting the battery at an angle and pushing down 7 Visually inspect the battery to make sure that it is completely installed into the holder and that the polarity is correct Step 4 Reinstall the controller module and set time date after RTC battery...

Page 78: ... device with the hook and loop strap d Reconnect the power cables to the power supplies and to the power sources and then turn on the power to start the boot process e Halt the controller at the LOADER prompt 6 Reset the time and date on the controller a Check the date and time on the healthy controller with the show date command b At the LOADER prompt on the target controller check the time and d...

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