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User’s Guide

PoE Powered Devices Debug Guidelines

ABSTRACT

This document provides the debug process for TI Power over Ethernet (PoE) Powered Device (PD) designs. 

Most

 problems occur in the DC/DC design. PoE uses the IEEE802.3 standard that includes IC vendors 

and end-equipment designs, resulting in strict requirements for PoE operation. However, there are no such 
requirements on DC/DC design. Unfortunately, the complex nature of DC/DC design leaves less margin of error 
than one might expect, yet many degrees of freedom in design choices. This combination allows errors to slip in 
undetected that can result in designs that do not work or cause damage.

Table of Contents

1 Introduction

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2 Preparation and Measurement Techniques

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2.1 Important PoE Signals.......................................................................................................................................................

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2.2 Lab Equipment...................................................................................................................................................................

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2.3 Measurement Techniques..................................................................................................................................................

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2.4 Board Preparation..............................................................................................................................................................

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3 Narrowing Down the Problem Area

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3.1 Schematic Areas................................................................................................................................................................

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3.2 Narrowing Down the Area On Board................................................................................................................................

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4 Common Issues

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5 Conclusion

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List of Figures

Figure 2-1. PoE Start-up..............................................................................................................................................................

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Figure 2-2. Switching Waveform..................................................................................................................................................

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Figure 3-1. PoE Input Section......................................................................................................................................................

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Figure 3-2. PoE IC Settings.........................................................................................................................................................

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Figure 3-3. Input Filter.................................................................................................................................................................

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Figure 3-4. DC/DC Pin Settings...................................................................................................................................................

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Figure 3-5. VCC Input Circuit for Active Clamp Forward.............................................................................................................

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Figure 3-6. VCC Input Circuit for Primary-Side Regulation Flyback............................................................................................

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Figure 3-7. VCC Input Circuit for Optocoupler Flyback...............................................................................................................

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Figure 3-8. Primary Side Feedback PSR Flyback.......................................................................................................................

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Figure 3-9. Primary Side Feedback Optocoupler Flyback...........................................................................................................

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Figure 3-10. Primary Side MOSFETs and Accompanying Components (Flyback)....................................................................

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Figure 3-11. Primary Side MOSFET RCD Snubber...................................................................................................................

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Figure 3-12. Secondary Side Diode Rectified Flyback..............................................................................................................

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Figure 3-13. Secondary Side Self Driven Synchronous Flyback A............................................................................................

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Figure 3-14. Secondary Side Self Driven Synchronous Flyback B............................................................................................

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Figure 3-15. Secondary Side Driven Synchronous Flyback......................................................................................................

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Figure 3-16. Secondary Side Active Clamp Forward.................................................................................................................

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Figure 3-17. Output Capacitance...............................................................................................................................................

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Figure 3-18. Secondary Side Optocoupler Feedback Network.................................................................................................

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Figure 3-19. PoE Handshake....................................................................................................................................................

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Figure 3-20. PoE DC/DC Start-up.............................................................................................................................................

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Figure 3-21. Current Sense Switching Waveform......................................................................................................................

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Page 1: ...igure 3 2 PoE IC Settings 6 Figure 3 3 Input Filter 7 Figure 3 4 DC DC Pin Settings 7 Figure 3 5 VCC Input Circuit for Active Clamp Forward 8 Figure 3 6 VCC Input Circuit for Primary Side Regulation Flyback 8 Figure 3 7 VCC Input Circuit for Optocoupler Flyback 8 Figure 3 8 Primary Side Feedback PSR Flyback 9 Figure 3 9 Primary Side Feedback Optocoupler Flyback 9 Figure 3 10 Primary Side MOSFETs a...

Page 2: ... Important PoE Signals This section explains some of the important signals in a TI PoE PD design First are VDD and VSS These signals are the input power of the system after it has been rectified off the input twisted pairs Next is RTN Return which is the ground of the IC RTN is also referred to as the primary ground because it is the ground on the primary side of the transformer RTN is connected t...

Page 3: ...by 67 5 V it would be difficult to determine the peak to peak voltage at a glance It is obvious that C2 is the drain to source voltage of Q10 because of the oscilloscope probe label Figure 2 1 PoE Start up Another important tip is to use oscilloscope internal measurement functions when applicable For example most oscilloscopes can measure the Vpkpk of a particular channel Oscilloscopes can make bo...

Page 4: ...th one corner The curly portion is what holds the attachment to the probe and the wire with the corner is the new ground connection Many scope probes come with a cover that has a hook which can be used to hook onto test points or wires If this is removed it exposes the probe tip and a small exposed ring of metal This is the ground connection and the curly side connects to the ground of the probe T...

Page 5: ...0 R6 75 0 R7 75 0 R8 10nF 100V C1 10nF 100V C2 10nF 100V C3 10nF 100V C4 2kV 1000pF C6 EARTH EARTH EARTH EARTH 2kV 1000pF C5 TP1 PAIR12 TP2 PAIR36 TP3 PAIR45 TP4 PAIR78 TP5 EARTH PR36 PR45 PR12 PR12 PR36 PR45 D2 B2100 13 F 1 00M R15 232k R20 50V 330pF C12 232k R21 1 00M R16 50V 330pF C13 D3 B2100 13 F PR12 PR36 D4 B2100 13 F 1 00M R17 232k R22 50V 330pF C14 232k R23 1 00M R18 50V 330pF C15 D5 B210...

Page 6: ...ide feedback components the primary MOSFETs and accompanying components and the primary side of the transformer The input filter illustrated in Figure 3 3 includes the input bulk capacitor an inductor and some smaller capacitors The bulk capacitor must have some ESR to operate so they are typically electrolytic or aluminum capacitors These are a good reference point on the board since they are typ...

Page 7: ...ing frequency DT sets the dead time between the two gates if applicable and so on Not shown here is the LINUV input The LINUV input sets the turn on and turn off DC DC input voltage of the IC Figure 3 4 DC DC Pin Settings www ti com Narrowing Down the Problem Area SLVAF74 JULY 2021 Submit Document Feedback PoE Powered Devices Debug Guidelines 7 Copyright 2021 Texas Instruments Incorporated ...

Page 8: ...a flyback appears similar because it is taken off the auxiliary winding of the transformer Note that flybacks typically only need a single diode to limit the VCC input current from the auxiliary winding and the resistor to help filter The VCC capacitor is also required For primary side regulation flybacks additional components appear on the winding that is discussed later Figure 3 6 VCC Input Circ...

Page 9: ...yback designs Figure 3 9 Primary Side Feedback Optocoupler Flyback The next portion of the primary side of the DC DC is the primary side MOSFETs and accompanying components For a flyback there is only one primary MOSFET This MOSFET requires a gate drive Sometimes a more robust gate drive which includes a BJT is required to turn the MOSFET off faster All MOSFETs require a DRC clamp www ti com Narro...

Page 10: ...of the transformer The current sense or CS resistor helps set the output current limit Figure 3 10 Primary Side MOSFETs and Accompanying Components Flyback Narrowing Down the Problem Area www ti com 10 PoE Powered Devices Debug Guidelines SLVAF74 JULY 2021 Submit Document Feedback Copyright 2021 Texas Instruments Incorporated ...

Page 11: ...pictured here but sometimes are useful for overshoot or EMI issues Lastly the primary side has the primary side of the transformer which includes the primary inductor and the auxiliary winding The next section examines the secondary side This is where the topologies differentiate from one another the most Diode flybacks are considered the easiest because they have the fewest parts Diode flybacks c...

Page 12: ...he transformer drives it or it can be driven with a pulse transformer or a synchronous rectifier IC Figure 3 13 through Figure 3 15 provide samples of gate drives and MOSFETs Figure 3 13 Secondary Side Self Driven Synchronous Flyback A Narrowing Down the Problem Area www ti com 12 PoE Powered Devices Debug Guidelines SLVAF74 JULY 2021 Submit Document Feedback Copyright 2021 Texas Instruments Incor...

Page 13: ...forwards are the most complex topology since they have the most parts and most considerations Active clamp forwards consist of two MOSFETs their accompanying gate drives snubbers both RC and RCD and an inductor Using Figure 3 16 the switching MOSFETs and gate drives are in the dotted line boxes and the accompanying RC snubber and RCD clamp are in the solid line boxes The green line is considered t...

Page 14: ...D5 5V 5A 10V 220uF C17 DNP 1µF 35V C22 6 7 8 9 10 T2 LDT1038 50R TP12 TP14 12V D19 12V D18 D17 MMSD4148T1G TP13 TP11 10 0 R31 1 2 J11 VOUT 16V 100uF C18 16V 100uF C19 16V 100uF C20 16V 100uF C21 150nH L4 DNP 4 7 8 1 2 3 5 6 Q10 CSD17577Q3A 1nF 50V C44 10 R69 4 Figure 3 17 Output Capacitance Narrowing Down the Problem Area www ti com 14 PoE Powered Devices Debug Guidelines SLVAF74 JULY 2021 Submit ...

Page 15: ... 00k R43 68nF C44 TP40 2 00k R41 1µF 50V C47 TP34 TP39 49 9 R39 TL431IDBVR 3 5 4 U3A Figure 3 18 Secondary Side Optocoupler Feedback Network 3 2 Narrowing Down the Area On Board This section discusses how to narrow down in which area the problem might exist PoE start up is tested first This can have two oscilloscope shots to get everything needed The waveforms needed are VDD_RTN VSS_RTN VC GATE or...

Page 16: ...e internal functions are being powered If the DC DC converter is not starting up then check the PoE settings the DC DC settings the input bulk capacitor the transformer and the VC input The next thing to check is the switching components First and foremost check all MOSFETs in the system Check the drain to ground and gate to ground of each MOSFET Ensure they are all switching properly and the VDS ...

Page 17: ...then the VCC cap can be drained If there is too much output capacitance it can take too long to charge Additionally the secondary soft start circuit could be taking too long The solutions here is to reduce the output capacitance or reduce the capacitor in the secondary soft start circuit If the gate is not switching at the expected duty cycle when VCC is past its threshold then the IC could be dam...

Page 18: ...lso true of TVS diodes Therefore place the snubbers closer to the MOSFETs If there is no successful PoE negotiation the following are common causes The DEN is incorrect and must be adjusted properly for the input bridge type A discrete diode bridge typically works with 24 9 kΩ However hybrid bridges full MOSFET bridges or an integrated solution can have a lower resistance and therefore the resisto...

Page 19: ... load input voltage and thermals For example if a ceramic or aluminum capacitor changes effective capacitance due to temperature and a BJT current rating is also affected by temperature then a particular case of load and input capacitance and BJT current could occur in deployment that was not observed in the lab EMI Failure there are two main tests for EMI conducted emissions and radiated emission...

Page 20: ...ay not be fast enough for the new switching frequency Their snubbers and RCD clamps will also need to be adjusted ACF Delay timing could be incorrect 5 Conclusion To summarize DC DC design and PoE design are not simple tasks This guide discusses some first steps to debug a PoE PD design Following this guide helps find where the issue is occurring if not discovering the issue itself Narrowing down ...

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