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Principles and conditions of modernization
Limitations for the detector families

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Building Technologies

A6V10323158_d_en_--

Fire Safety

2015-04-09

2.6 Limitations for the detector families

2.6.1 AnalogPLUS detector family

The DO1133A point detector cannot be replaced by a multiple protocol detector.

The following applies to connecting external alarm indicators:

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  If the external alarm indicator is connected to only one individual detector, there

are no limitations.

l

  If only original AnalogPLUS detectors and FDOOT241-A3 point detectors are

used in combination wit base adapter FDB241, there are no limitations.

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  If several FDOOT241-A3 point detectors are to be merged on an external

alarm indicator, we recommend using the FDB241 base adapter.

2.6.2 SIGMALOOP detector family

The SDF3500 point detector cannot be replaced with a multiple protocol detector.

The following applies to connecting external alarm indicators:

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  If the external alarm indicator is connected to only one individual detector, there

are no limitations.

l

  If only original SIGMALOOP detectors and FDOOT241-A4 point detectors are

used in combination with base adapter FDB241, there are no limitations.

l

  If several FDOOT241-A4 point detectors are to be merged on an external

alarm indicator, we recommend using the FDB241 base adapter.

2.6.3 Interactive detector family

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  The DB1151A detector base cannot be replaced with a Sinteso detector base if

the detector is operated interactively. An FDB251 base adapter must,

therefore, always be used.

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  On an interactive detector line, an external alarm indicator may only be

operated on an FDOOT241-A5 multiple protocol detector via an FDB251 base

adapter. The external alarm indicator must be connected to the DB1151A

detector base.

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  The point detectors DOT1151-Ex and DT1151-Ex may not be replaced with

multiple protocol detectors.

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  If an FDOOT241-A5 point detector is mounted in interactive mode (factory

setting) on an addressed FDSB291 sounder base of an FDnet system which is

in operation, the sounder base may produce one or two alarm sounds. The

alarm sounds can be prevented as follows:
–  Change the FDOOT241-A5 point detector to FDnet mode with the

FDUL221 line tester before mounting in the sounder base.

2.6.4 Detector family with MS8/PMT pulse detection technology

On an MS8 detector line, an external alarm indicator can only be connected to a

multiple protocol detector if using a Sinteso detector base.

Summary of Contents for FDOOT241-8

Page 1: ...A6V10323158_d_en_ Building Technologies 2015 04 09 Control Products and Systems Modernizing fire detection installations with multiple protocol detectors Technical Manual ...

Page 2: ...ization of its contents and communication thereof to others without express authorization are prohibited Offenders will be held liable for payment of damages All rights created by patent grant or registration of a utility model or design patent are reserved Issued by Siemens Switzerland Ltd Building Technologies Division International Headquarters Gubelstrasse 22 CH 6301 Zug Tel 41 41 724 2424 www...

Page 3: ...detector family 14 2 6 3 Interactive detector family 14 2 6 4 Detector family with MS8 PMT pulse detection technology 14 2 6 5 Collective detector family GMT 15 3 Point detectors and base adapters 16 4 Undertaking modernization 17 4 1 Step 1 Detector modernization 17 4 1 1 Base replacement 17 4 1 2 Configuration of detector type 18 4 1 2 1 AnalogPLUS and SIGMALOOP 18 4 1 2 2 Interactive 21 4 1 3 P...

Page 4: ...a line card 26 4 2 2 Replacing the remaining peripheral devices 27 4 2 3 Adapting the cabling 28 4 2 4 Starting up for the first time under FDnet 29 4 2 4 1 Starting up from collective mode 29 4 2 4 2 Starting up from AnalogPLUS mode 29 4 2 4 3 Starting up from MS8 PMT interactive or SIGMALOOP mode 29 4 2 5 Configuration 29 4 2 6 Switching back from FDnet to alternative protocol 30 Index 31 ...

Page 5: ...rses for Product Managers Project Manager l Coordinates the deployment of all persons and resources involved in the project according to schedule l Provides the information required to run the project l Has obtained suitable specialist training for the function and for the products l Has attended the training courses for Project Managers Installation personnel l Assembles and installs the product ...

Page 6: ...is document as follows Requirement for a behavior instruction 1 2 Behavior instruction with at least two operation sequences Version option or detailed information for a behavior instruction Intermediate result of a behavior instruction End result of a behavior instruction l Numbered lists and behavior instructions with an operation sequence X Reference to a page number Text Quotation reproduced i...

Page 7: ...nual Line tester FDUL221 008331 List of compatibility for Sinteso product line 008726 AlgoRex CS1140 Fire detection system Commissioning hardware EP7F 008843 FS20 Fire detection system Planning 009078 FS20 Fire detection system Configuration 009718 Technical Manual Intelligent detector tester FDUD293 A6V10258110 Technical manual Addressable alarm indicator FDCAI221 S24236 P43 A1 Bedienungsanleitun...

Page 8: ...lity EOL End of Line ES Product version FDnet detector line Addressed detector line GMT Limit value detection technology HQ Zug International Headquarters Zug Switzerland Interactive detector line Addressed detector line for AlgoRex interactive detectors Collective detector line Unaddressed detector line MS8 Pulse detection technology addressed also known as PMT SIGMALOOP detector line Addressed d...

Page 9: ... 4 1 2 1 AnalogPLUS and SIGMALOOP Information on switching on test mode and on the firmware version of the detector exchangers added to chapter 4 1 4 1 Test methods Chapters 4 1 4 2 Collective detector lines 4 1 4 3 Detector family AnalogPLUS and 4 1 4 4 Detector families MS8 PMT SIGMALOOP Interactive FDnet grouped into one chapter Testing detectors without detector exchanger and tester detector t...

Page 10: ... via different detector line protocols These detectors automatically recognize the protocol on the detector line e g FDnet or collective and switch to this protocol This functionality simplifies detector line commissioning during modernization because additional measures are not normally needed on the point detector The following detectors with ASAtechnology S LINE are available when operating on ...

Page 11: ...installations to be gradually replaced with modern sensitive fire detection installations with false alarm immunity This document does not cover modernization via the control panel with a line card of an alternative protocol e g collective Step 1 Replacing the existing point detectors with multiple protocol detectors l The detectors communicate with the respective protocol of the installed system ...

Page 12: ... taken into account l The following devices can generally not be replaced with a multiple protocol device All special detectors All manual call points All input output modules l The multiple protocol detectors cannot generally be used in the housing of air sampling smoke detection kits l The maximum number of peripheral devices possible per loop must be checked Per loop max 126 detectors as of Sin...

Page 13: ...tub on sub stub with a loop Sub stub on stub Technical requirements for the FDnet topology l All FDnet devices have an integrated line separator l Only one stub may branch off between two adjacent devices l When there are several stubs next to one another a line separator FDCL221 must be switched between each one You will find more information about the FDnet detector line topology in document 008...

Page 14: ... combination with base adapter FDB241 there are no limitations l If several FDOOT241 A4 point detectors are to be merged on an external alarm indicator we recommend using the FDB241 base adapter 2 6 3 Interactive detector family l The DB1151A detector base cannot be replaced with a Sinteso detector base if the detector is operated interactively An FDB251 base adapter must therefore always be used ...

Page 15: ... detector base This base type must not be mixed with older base types e g AlgoRex detector bases No sounder base is used The detectors have a product version of ES 13 An FDAI9x is used as a common external alarm indicator if an individual external alarm indicator is connected to one or more detectors in addition to the common external alarm indicator and one of the detectors is an FDOOT241 9 l If ...

Page 16: ... Interactive l DO1151A l DO1152A l DO1153A l DT1152A l DOT1151A l DOT1152A FDOOT241 A5 FDB251 SIGMALOOP l Base l Plus l Expert l SDF1200 l SDF2200 l SDF3100 l SDT2100 FDOOT241 A4 FDB241 PMT MS8 pulse detection technology l BR82 l BR800 l BD857 FDOOT241 8 FDB281 Collective GMT l Siemens Cerberus l SynoLINE 300 600 All point detectors from these detector families FDOOT241 9 Collective GMT l Siemens ...

Page 17: ...logPLUS l Interactive l SIGMALOOP l In the case of the detector family MS8 PMT and all other collective systems the detector type is defined by selecting detection characteristics during parameterization 4 1 1 Base replacement On MS8 AnalogPLUS SIGMALOOP and collective detector lines when replacing the point detector with a multiple protocol detector the switch can be made to a Sinteso detector ba...

Page 18: ...DOOT241 9 FDOOT241 A9 NOTICE Operating the FDOOT241 9 detector with FDB299 base adapter on collective control panels No detector function Do not operate the FDOOT241 9 detector with the FDB299 base adapter on a collective control panel If you are using detector bases Z7x and Z9x on a CZ10 control panel you need to replace detector bases Z7x and Z9x with detector base FDB201 4 1 2 Configuration of ...

Page 19: ...information in the table below 3 Place the jumper in the position that corresponds to the existing detector type Mounting and removal of base adapter FDB241 on detector base Fig 1 Removal and disposal of existing detector Jumper position on base adapter for existing detector type Fig 2 Mounting of base adapter on detector and detector base Fig 3 Disengaging lock to remove FDB241 with tools 2 1 Mou...

Page 20: ...0 2200 directly on the new detector base 3 Install an additional standard resistor to replace another detector Use the table below to determine the resistor that corresponds to the existing detector type Install the selected resistor Use the auxiliary terminal DBZ1190 AA for multiple assignment D 113 A T 2 DO 1131A T DT1131A SDF 00 31 SDT2100 R DO113 A 1 R Ω R 10 kΩ 2 kΩ 0 25 W R 18 kΩ 2 kΩ 0 25 W...

Page 21: ... of compatibility 1 Use base adapter FDB251 2 Place the jumper in the position that corresponds to the existing detector type FDB251 FDB251 FDUD290 FDB251 1 1 DO1151A 2 2 DO1152A 3 3 DO1153A 4 4 DT1152A 5 5 DOT1152A 5 4 DOT1151A 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 1 2 Fig 1 Fig 2 Fig 3 Mounting and removal of base adapter FDB251 on detector base Fig 1 Removal and disposal of existing detector and jumper position on bas...

Page 22: ...ing parameter sets Operation as detector of type Parameter set default Selection with FDUD292 DO1131A Sensitive Universal Fast DOT1131A Fast Response Universal Fast DT1131A A1R DT1132A BS With detector exchanger and tester FDUD292 the Universal Fast parameter set can also be selected when replacing the DO1131A and DOT1131A detectors This parameter set is only available with the FDOOT241 A3 in Anal...

Page 23: ...200 Standard Sensor mode 0 option 1 SDF2200 P2 P3 P4 P5 P6 Sensor mode 0 option 1 SDF3100 Standard high value concentration Sensor mode 0 option 1 SDT2100 WM diff WM high temp 1 Not tested in acc with EN 54 7 You will find more information in document 007227 See the chapter Applicable documents 7 4 1 3 4 Interactive detector family The multiple protocol detector also evaluates its sensor values in...

Page 24: ... APS083S Manned OOT High Suppression mode 8 Unmanned OOT Balanced mode 4 APS084S OOT Suppression mode 5 APS005S APS06S APS015S APS019S APS009S APS082S OOT Balanced mode 4 APS007S APS085S OOT Fast Response mode 6 APS081S High Sensitive Fast OOT mode 9 APS080S OOT Super Sensitive mode 11 DT1152A APS100T T A1R mode 1 APS105T T BR mode 2 APS103T T A1S mode 3 APS107T T BS mode 4 Does not meet the crite...

Page 25: ...ernative protocol in the AnalogPLUS and SIGMALOOP modes Format 255 xy where xy represents the bus address 4 1 4 2 Testing detectors without detector exchanger and tester detector tester The fire detectors are highly resistant to deceptive phenomena This means that optical fire detectors for example will recognize the immediate occurrence of smoke such as that which occurs during testing with test ...

Page 26: ...PLUS detector line the detector is not set to test mode if the detector or the detector group is switched to Test on the control panel Unlike on a collective detector line the detector must not be removed from the detector line for a short time and re inserted Testing without a detector exchanger and tester is therefore difficult especially with smoke detectors In AnalogPLUS mode you can use the d...

Page 27: ...line separator module can be used for the conversion into permissible FDnet topologies l For MS8 PMT The addressed display lights must be replaced with addressable alarm indicators FDCAI221 Peripheral devices which do not need to be replaced The following base adapters can continue to be operated on the FDnet l FDB241 l FDB251 l FDB299 The following Sinteso point detectors can continue to be opera...

Page 28: ...d with an FDOOT241 A5 See also Help in the PC Linetester Tool Sections that only have Interactive detectors are not detected l Check whether only permitted topologies are being used 12 Permitted topologies Stub Loop Sub stub on loop l The maximum number of peripheral devices possible per loop must be checked Per loop max 126 detectors as of Sinteso MP4 0 max 252 detectors l Check whether the max l...

Page 29: ...g up from AnalogPLUS mode When starting up for the first time you must perform the following 1 Read in the detector line 2 Switch the detector line off for at least 30 s 3 Read in the detector line again 4 Repeat steps 1 3 until all installed multiple protocol detectors have been recognized 4 2 4 3 Starting up from MS8 PMT interactive or SIGMALOOP mode No special measures are required The detector...

Page 30: ...ternative protocol After switching back the detectors again run with their default setting The changed parameter sets in the detectors were overwritten by control panel FC20xx when changing over to FDnet You will find information about the default settings for the various point detectors in the chapter Default settings in document 007004 Note that the resistors fitted in the detector bases affect ...

Page 31: ...nt 17 Sinteso 17 Detector families 16 Detector line Topology 12 Detectors devices which cannot be replaced 12 Documentation for fire detection system 7 Download center URL 7 I Interactive Parameter sets 23 L Line card Replacing 11 List of compatibility 7 21 M Maximum current connection factor 15 MS8 Parameter sets 22 O Original language Source language 5 Overview Base adapter 18 P Parameter sets 2...

Page 32: ...nal Headquarters Gubelstrasse 22 CH 6301 Zug Tel 41 41 724 24 24 www siemens com buildingtechnologies Siemens Switzerland Ltd 2012 Technical specifications and availability subject to change without notice Document ID A6V10323158_d_en_ Manual FD20 Edition 2015 04 09 Register 2 ...

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