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Page 1: ...of your new HYD MECH bandsaw please take the time to familiarize yourself and your employees with the correct operation and maintenance procedures as outlined in this manual We sincerely appreciate the confidence you have demonstrated in purchasing our product and look forward to building a long and mutually beneficial relationship Thank you Hyd Mech Group Limited P O Box 1659 1079 Parkinson Road ...

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Page 3: ...1 13 WIRING CONNECTIONS 1 13 BLADE TENSION CHECK 1 13 EARTH GROUNDING PROCEDURE 1 14 SECTION 2 OPERATING INSTRUCTIONS E300 INTERFACE OPERATION INSTRUCTIONS 2 1 MANUAL MODE ONLY CONTROLS 2 2 MANUAL AUTO MODE CONTROLS 2 2 MACHINE CYCLE CONTROLS 2 3 OPTIONAL EQUIPMENT CONTROLS 2 4 MANUAL MODE 2 5 COLLISION DETECTION FEATURE 2 6 PARAMETERS 2 7 OPENING THE FRONT GATE IN MANUAL AND AUTOMATIC MODE 2 9 ON...

Page 4: ...CD 4 1 SECTION 5 HYDRAULICS FOR HYDRAULIC SCHEMATICS AND PLUMBING DIAGRAMS SEE PDF ON ATTACHED CD 5 1 V 25APC HYDRAULIC PARTS LIST 5 1 GLAND PISTON ASSEMBLIES 5 2 SECTION 6 MECHANICAL ASSEMBLIES FOR MECHANICAL ASSEMBLY DRAWINGS SEE PDF ON ATTACHED CD 6 1 SECTION 7 OPTIONS MIST COOLANT OPTION 7 1 VARIABLE VISE PRESSURE OPTION 7 1 FOR OPTIONAL DRAWINGS AND PARTS LIST SEE PDF ON ATTACHED CD 7 1 BUNDL...

Page 5: ...l Materials are within designed specifications and are non hazardous Owner is responsible to Keep Manual accessible at the machine Ensure only reliable fully trained personnel work with the machine Clearly define responsibilities of all personnel working with the machine Keep the machine in good working order Operator and Maintenance Personnel are responsible to Keep all safety equipment in order ...

Page 6: ...ty hazards associated with what you are doing That should get your brain working again Certainly production is important but if you think you re too busy to put safety first think how much production you ll lose if you get hurt You owe it to yourself your family and your co workers to PUT SAFETY FIRST Mandatory Information All persons operating this machine must have read and understood all of the...

Page 7: ...cannot accept any liability for personal injury or property damage due to operator errors or non compliance with the Safety and Operating Instructions contained in this Manual RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE OWNER Organization of work This Operation and Maintenance Manual must always be kept near the machine so that it is accessible to all concerned The general statutory and other legal regulations on acc...

Page 8: ...t on the machine must be checked At the start of every shift After maintenance and repair work When starting for the first time and after prolonged shutdowns Emergency Stop Button E Stops Always be aware of the location of the Emergency Stop Button s Do not allow material or objects to block your access to an Emergency Stop Damage If any changes capable of impairing safety are observed in the mach...

Page 9: ...cessity to pick them off the machine by hand Hearing protection Ear protection must be worn whenever necessary The level and duration of noise emission requiring hearing protection depends upon the national regula tions in the country in which the machine is being used The actual level of noise emission by band sawing machines depends upon work piece size shape and material blade type blade speed ...

Page 10: ...labels attached to your machine represent important safety information to help you avoid personal injury or death All supervisors operators and maintenance personnel must locate and understand the safety information associated with each hazard label prior to operating or servicing the machine The safety hazard labels shown below are located at various positions on the machine to indicate possible ...

Page 11: ...Keep hands clear of vises and work piece when vises are opened or closed Be aware that vise closing or opening may result in potentially dangerous work piece movement Be aware also that the opening motion of a vise may create potential pinch points MOVING PARTS CAN CRUSH AND CUT Keep hands clear of chip auger Lock out power in accordance with your company s lock out procedures before attempting to...

Page 12: ...AZARD LABELS ON V 25APC DANGER Hazardous voltage inside Item N0 391938 DANGER Moving bandsaw blade will cut Item N0 391937 The following pictures on the next page show the locaton of label WARNING Pinch Point WARNING Pinch Point Item N0 392801 ...

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Page 14: ...0 10 The following pictures show the locaton of label DANGER Moving parts can crush and cut Keep hands clear DANGER Moving parts can crush and cut Keep hands clear Item N0 391335 ...

Page 15: ... following pictures show the locaton of labels 1 DANGER Moving parts can crush and cut Keep hands clear 2 CAUTION Do NOT step or stand on this surface CAUTION Do NOT step or stand on this surface Item N0 391632 ...

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Page 17: ... be loaded while the blade is running and the V 25 APC should not be operated unless all guards covers and doors are in place and closed Long and heavy stock should be supported where it extends off the saw table The operator should keep a safe distance from all moving parts especially the blade and operating vises Long hair loose clothing or gloves should not be worn while operating the V 25 APC ...

Page 18: ...ing with a crane the head must be retracted swung to 64 right and locked in position using the supplied head restraint plate and four NC bolts The upper guide arm must be fully lowered Four chains should be connected to the four holes in the lifting angles which bolt to the table rails as shown in the illus trations Chain lengths must be carefully adjusted so that the crane is above the centre of ...

Page 19: ... as at least two plates are lagged with two bolts each the saw will be positively located The advantage of this approach is that an accidental colli sion with the saw may pop the saw out of the dimples but damage to the saw and the lagging is minimized Leveling is checked by applying an accurate bubble level to the saw table checking level both front to rear and side to side Lock the level using t...

Page 20: ...ine of the conveyor towards the movable jaw side Lift the barfeed and slide it into position towards the machine 2 Place the 6 levelling plates for the barfeed under each of the levelling bolts then lower the barfeed to the ground in line with the machine Remove the cable trough cable track and the associated hoses and cords from the machine coolant tray Place the cable trough into position under ...

Page 21: ...ed to the saw The finished gap between the front plate of the conveyor and the rear plate of the machine is to be 5 8 1 8 The alignment between the barfeed and machine should be checked quickly with a 10 piece of cold rolled flat bar or a laser Adjust the struts if necessary GAP ...

Page 22: ...re provided three down each length of the conveyor Leveling is checked by applying an accurate bubble level to the saw table checking level both front to rear and side to side Lock the level using the jam nuts on the leveling bolts NOTE Leveling the infeed conveyor with a slight slope towards the blade will prevent coolant from running down the raw stock 5 At the barfeed front leg connect hose 151...

Page 23: ...he other two brackets through the slots of the rear leg and fasten them to the cable trough Install the two capture bolts to the brackets on the outside of the rear leg 7 The barfeed coolant drain line is tied to the rear leg Cut and route through the cable trough into the chip tray of the saw Be careful to not interfere with the travel of the chip paddle Capture bolts for the bracket are on the b...

Page 24: ...olts on top and two 3 8 NC bolts on the underside Install the rod end of the cylinder with the 1 2 NF x 1 50 socket bolt Fasten the lower cylinder eye with the 1 2 NC x 4 50 hex bolt Zip tie the cylinder hoses 141 and 142 to the bottom of the carriage box centre Re install the datum vise toggle cover Rod end Lower cylinder eye Cover ...

Page 25: ...o the carriage box Re install the shuttle servo motor cover 10 Feed the hoses for the movable vise cylinder 61 and 62 along with the out of stock limit switch cord C23 up along the movable vise post Connect hose 61 at the needle valve and hose 62 at the cylinder gland Connect cord C23 to the out of stock limit switch Hose 61 Needle Valve C23 Out of stock limit switch Limit switches Proxy Servo pow...

Page 26: ...brackets 13 Fasten the shuttle datum side guard to the machine with the bolts provided 14 Fasten the shuttle movable side guard to the control console with the provided hex bolts Fasten the trip wire control box to the safety guard with the four socket head cap screws 12 Fasten the rear guard rail to the barfeed rear leg with the provided fasteners ...

Page 27: ...TE The head restraint plate and two lifting angles must be removed before machine start up 17 The upper barfeed struts need to be assembled once the machine is powered up The conveyor will need to be moved back out of the way in order to screw in the mounting bar The desired gap between the front plate of the conveyor and the rear plate of the machine is to be 5 8 1 8 18 The barfeed should now be ...

Page 28: ...EYOR The infeed conveyor is free standing It needs to be aligned and levelled to the machines barfeed POWERED CONVEYORS Refer to electrical schematics Each powered conveyor will have an electrical conduit coming from the control console that needs to be connected in to the conveyors drive motor Refer to the provided electrical schematics The user will have push buttons on the control console to mo...

Page 29: ...TART UP THE FOLLOWING TWO POINTS SHOULD BE CHECKED 1 Signs of damage that may have occurred during shipping to the electrical cables and the hydraulic hoses 2 The hydraulic oil level is between the upper and lower levels on the gauge As supplied the machine is set to run on three phase voltage as indicated on the serial plate and voltage label During the initial hook up it is very important to che...

Page 30: ...to the ground terminal in the control enclosure using insulated stranded 8 gauge copper wire 5 An additional point to check is to ensure continuity of all ground within the control enclosure Start with the main power entrance ground terminal where the internal ground conductors should originate and then connect to the DIN terminal strip control transformer and the lid of control enclosure Also the...

Page 31: ...ll bring the control panel to full ON and the display back light will come ON Once the control panel has power the MACHINE START key must be pressed to activate the interface which will also start the hydraulic system Now all of the control keys have been activated and each key has an LED to indicate which functions are active In MANUAL MODE the operator has the ability to execute a single cut uti...

Page 32: ...o stop and hold its position press again or press the FIXED VISE OPEN key SHUTTLE VISE CONTROLS SHUTTLE VISE OPEN Pressing this key will open the shuttle vise and will stop and hold its position if the key is released SHUTTLE VISE CLOSE Pressing this key will close the shuttle vise To stop and hold its position press again or press the SHUTTLE VISE OPEN key SHUTTLE CONTROLS SHUTTLE FORWARD Pressin...

Page 33: ... all of the MANUAL MODE ONLY CONTROLS AUTO MODE Pressing this key will disable all of the MANUAL MODE ONLY CONTROLS To enter AUTO MODE the FIXED VISE must be activated MACHINE CYCLE CONTROLS MACHINE START Pressing this key will activate the control panel display and start the hydraulic system The EMERGENCY STOP button must be pulled out This key must be activated to use the machine functions MACHI...

Page 34: ...s released INFEED BUNDLING CLOSE Activating this push button LED is on before entering AUTO MODE will allow the infeed bundling clamp to work in conjunction with the infeed vise The clamp will remain stationary in AUTO MODE if the push button is not activated OUTFEED BUNDLING CONTROLS OUTFEED BUNDLING OPEN Pressing this key will open the outfeed bundling clamp It will stop and hold its position if...

Page 35: ... MANUAL MODE MANUAL MODE is the default mode All functions are enabled when in MANUAL MODE The screen should look as follows The cursor on the display is flashing on ANG REQ D Enter a numerical angle then press the enter button Left or Right is changed by moving the cursor over to the L or R and pressing enter Press the AnglGO button once the desired angle is chosen The screen will change and the ...

Page 36: ... Mode It is a good idea to alter the cut if the required pieces involve this scenario Flip the piece upside down and perform the cut when the head is turned 30 degrees towards the outfeed side of the machine where there is no possible collision as shown in the following example Example 1 A rectangular section bar 30 long the required cutting angle is 35 degrees When the cut is facing upward a poss...

Page 37: ...M PUSH DIST parameter and will push away the cut pieces Shuttle will move back allowing the head to retract Head will retract Shuttle will feed the next length to cut The cycle will repeat 6 BLADE CHAMBER PUSH DISTANCE This parameter defines the distance that the shuttle will move forward behind the table during the blade chamber cycle 7 BLADE CHAMBER PULL DISTANCE This parameter defines the retra...

Page 38: ...le Encoder Resolution RIGHT ANGLE CONSTANT This constant represents RIGHT Angle Encoder Resolution ANGLE TARGET WINDOW Allowable tolerance from programmed angle HEAD SWING ACCEL DECEL TIME Acceleration Deceleration time HEAD SWING MAX SPEED Head swing maximum speed HEAD SWING SOFT 90 DEG O T Head swing soft over travel HEAD SWING SOFT 30 DEG O T Head swing soft over travel HEAD 90DEG SET Set new 9...

Page 39: ...g AUTOMATIC MODE the following steps need to be done in the following sequence 1 Press the CYCLE PAUSE button 2 The gate can be opened when the GATE OPEN ENABLED message is displayed in the upper right corner of the operator interface panel The following will occur The blade motor will stop if it is running The hydraulic pump motor will stop if it is running Shuttle movement will be disabled 3 Clo...

Page 40: ...o AUTO MODE and follow the automatic procedures 3 Whenever a new job or new material is being loaded for production position the head for a trim cut and the infeed vise should be closed in MANUAL MODE AUTOMATIC OPERATION To enter AUTO MODE the Infeed Vise must be in the closed position When the AUTO MODE key is pressed the red indicator will come on The screen will change to the JOB display window...

Page 41: ...value press ENTER and the cursor will move to A2 7 Enter proper A2 value press ENTER and the cursor will move to angle direction letter 8 Press ENTER to toggle between R right and L left To move to L2 use the cursor key 9 Enter proper value for L2 press ENTER and the cursor will move to RQD 10 Enter required quantity press ENTER and the cursor will move to CUT 11 When starting a new job zero out C...

Page 42: ... not a collision angle then the head will move to that angle 3 A trim cut will be performed 4 The shuttle will move to target length L 1 5 After a trim cut the shuttle will advance the material by the L1 value 6 If the next angle is a collision angle then shuttle will retract to a safe position 7 Head will swing to the A2 value to make the second cut and complete the first part If the previous ang...

Page 43: ...ACK LIMIT SETTING The machine has a 5 6 canted head which requires the head back limit setting to be adjusted according to the height of material to avoid interference between the blade and the work piece The head needs to be retracted further for higher material The head needs to be adjusted to allow the material to slide freely along the fixed vises This is achieved by setting the Head Back Adju...

Page 44: ...eft Mitre Angle Minimum Distance Upper Guide to Table Top Measure with Head at 90 Less Than 38 9 Less Than 36 17 Less Than 34 21 OUT OF STOCK COLLAR The collar is located on the lower guide shaft of the barfeed s movable vise and is locked in position by a brass thumbscrew The action of the collar is to trip a limit switch and shut down the saw when the vise closes without encountering a work piec...

Page 45: ...le angular position for the work to be done NOTE The head is quite top heavy When any hydraulic work is to be performed the head must be swung fully left or right so that it can swing no further If it is necessary to keep the head vertical the head must be restrained by a crane 2 Operator shuts down the machine 3 The supervisor in charge of the machine must be informed of the intention to lock out...

Page 46: ...l other hydraulic functions and blade start are inoperative BLADE REMOVAL 1 With the Blade Change Mode key switch in OFF the blade stopped and the hydraulics ON retract the saw head in the full retract position Pull the head back adjustment lever and then press the head retract button on the panel This will drive the Head past the Head Back Limit Switch creating a wider gap between the blade and t...

Page 47: ...crew with a 5mm allen key 2 turns CCW 7 Turn the Blade Tension Switch from the TIGHTEN position RUN through the unmarked central HOLD posi tion and briefly to the LOOSEN position By jogging the switch between hold and loosen it is possible to regulate the degree of looseness of the blade It is helpful to have the blade just loose enough that it stays on the wheels and in the blade guides but can b...

Page 48: ...N position for several seconds until the idler wheel has fully retracted 2 Insert the new blade into the blade guides and onto the wheels Take care to fully insert the blade into both the upper and lower guides so that the back edge of the blade is fully past the rear side rollers of both guides see illustration of upper guide Make sure the blade is sitting behind and clear of the blade guard 3 Tu...

Page 49: ...eral position is adjusted by two push and two pull bolts in the drive wheel retaining cap The idler wheel lateral position is adjusted by a large 1 5 across flats hex bolt and locked by a concentric round head socket screw Hyd Mech Service should be contacted before making any adjustment to lateral wheel position The angular position of the blade wheels Although apparently parallel to each other t...

Page 50: ...ach 1 4 turn of set screw B by running the blade at minimum speed for a couple of rotations When the tracking is within specification tighten the other set screw B to contact the surface of the head post weldment then tighten bolt A Drive Arm Weldment Cover Plate B A B IDLER WHEEL ADJUSTMENT Before adjusting the idler wheel reduce blade tension and slightly loosen the button head cap screw D There...

Page 51: ...except to open and close the adjusting screw as described above for blade change Maintenance of the guide assemblies will consist of periodically inspecting and replacing as necessary the side and back carbides and the blade rollers Roller stoppage may occur at any time due to the wedging of cuttings between the blade and the roller This will quickly cause a flat on the roller which requires that ...

Page 52: ...ore they must be replaced Rubber has a very short life in this application and it is recommended that genuine urethane wipers be obtained from your dealer Removal of the front plate completely exposes the internals of the guide block assembly as shown in the photos above The side carbides are mounted by 6 32 flat head socket screws which engage lock nuts on the outside of the plates The back plate...

Page 53: ...hown it is good practice to maintain a constant greased surface on the vise ways and moving parts As the vises are precision fit to the vise table the constant friction of metal to metal can be effectively allevi ated with the application of a general purpose grease If the saw is left for long periods without use an effective coating of grease will prevent metal to metal adhesion and rust Carriage...

Page 54: ... re filling it with a fresh quantity of the new oil Because of the tilted orientation of the gearbox on the V 25APC the correct oil level is to the bottom of the fill plug A shown in the photo The gearbox can also be filled at the breather shown in the photo The suggested oil change interval is given below Oil Temperature Deg C deg F Mineral Oil Interval hours Synthetic Oil Interval hours 65 150 8...

Page 55: ...ando HD 46 If it is desirable to change brands it is necessary to drain the tank and to fill to1 3 with the new oil Operate through several full strokes of each cylinder drain the tank again and finally fill the tank with the new brand Recommended replacement oils Chevron AW Hydraulic Oil 46 Conoco Super Hydraulic 46 Mobil Mobil DTE 25 Esso NUTO H46 Shell Tellus 46 3 HYDRAULIC OIL CHANGE Oil visua...

Page 56: ...technician reverse any two phase connections 2 2 Blade change mode selected 2 2 Switch off blade change mode 2 3 Pump runs noisily check hydraulic oil level at tank gauge 2 3 Stop immediately Add correct grade of hydraulic oil to level mark on tank 2 4 Pump motor coupling backed off 2 4 Qualified technician re adjust coupling spacing 3 An individual function does not respond to manual control 3 1 ...

Page 57: ... As 2 6 above 3 4 Worn blade guide carbides 3 4 Refer to Blade Guides in Section 3 of this manual 4 Blade tooth strippage 4 1 Blade pitch is too fine for workpiece 4 1 Use coarser blade refer to Cutting Parameters Chart 4 2 Blade brush is not cleaning 4 2 Replace or adjust blade brush 4 3 Workpiece movement 4 3 Special care is required in clamping thin workpieces and bundles 4 4 Excessive feed rat...

Page 58: ...rime 9 4 Open priming valve until coolant flows from it and then shut valve 9 5 If wash gun flows then line to blade guide or guide coolant gallery may be plugged 9 5 Open upper blade guide remove hose use air gun with safety nozzle to blow out hose and gallery 10 Head advances with set to 0 10 1 Feed Rate pointer misaligned 10 1 Loosen pointer lock nut Turn the knob clockwise until it is closed P...

Page 59: ...4 1 ELECTRICAL SCHEMATICS SEE PDF ON ATTACHED CD SECTION 4 ELECTRICAL ...

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Page 61: ... C10 00 LIFT CYLINDER OPTION 11 V25 C23 00 BUNDLING CYLINDER OPTION 12 363225 NEEDLE VALVE N10BK 13 363105 TANK COMPONENT RETURN FILTER ELEMENT 10 MICRON SF6520 14 363110 TANK COMPONENT SUCTION STRAINER TFS100 0 P 15 363235 VALVE PRESSURE REDUCING FREE BACK FLOW PBDB OBN E21 16 363305 VALVE SANDWICH DGMX2 3 PP BW S 40 PRV2 17 363187 VALVE SINGLE SOLENOID AB PT DIRECTIONAL VALVE 24VDC M12 DCV2P ABT...

Page 62: ...5 363335 3 5 362995 362800 CS35 GL 01A 362835 363340 4 0 363005 362805 CS40 GL 01A 362840 363345 5 0 363015 362810 CS50 GL 01A 362840 363345 PISTON ASSEMBLIES CYLINDER DIAMETER A TEFLON RING B LOADER RING C PISTON D O RING 2 0 363035 362950 CS20 PS 01B 362905 2 5 363040 362965 CS25 PS 01 362910 3 0 363045 362980 CS30 PS 01 362910 3 5 363050 362990 CS35 PS 01 362925 4 0 363055 363000 CS40 PS 01 362...

Page 63: ...6 1 MECHANICAL ASSEMBLY DRAWINGS PARTS LIST SEE PDF ON ATTACHED CD SECTION 6 MECHANICAL ASSEMBLIES ...

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Page 65: ...ication with a small quantity of mist coolant applied to the blade to prevent squealing PULSE MINUTE AIR SCREW FOR OPTIONAL DRAWINGS AND PARTS LIST SEE PDF ON ATTACHED CD VARIABLE VISE PRESSURE OPTION Vise clamping pressure adjustment is located on the top of the control console Clamping pressure is indicated by the pressure gauge adjacent to pressure control knob Turning knob clockwise increases ...

Page 66: ...ease with the head swung towards the infeed side of the machine The bundling arm must be kept low enough to avoid interference with the head assembly The following table can be used as a guide HEAD SWING BUNDLE HEIGHT 90 20 45 18 5 30 8 5 SHUTTLE BUNDLING The procedure below details how to remove the shuttle bundling clamp out of the loading area of the barfeed NOTE The shuttle bundling clamp will...

Page 67: ...he swing arm upwards to lift the control link weldment off of the latch spool This will allow the handle to be pulled away from the barfeed which will begin to rotate the arm away from the shuttle vise 3 Rotate the bundling arm completely out of the loading area until the control link weldment seats on to the spool ...

Page 68: ... The procedure below details how to remove the infeed or outfeed bundling clamps out of the loading area of the machine NOTE The bundling clamps will remain stationary in AUTO MODE if the Bundling Close push button is not activated No light on the push button Bundling Clamp Arm Clamp Post Weldment Adjusting Plate Slot to fasten in vertical position 0 75NC Hex Bolt Remove to lift clamp to vertical ...

Page 69: ... Remove the 0 75NC hex bolt holding the bundling clamp to the adjusting plate 4 Insert the bundling arm lift tool into the slot of the support plate and fit the socket onto the 0 75NC hex bolt Support Plate ...

Page 70: ...7 6 5 Lift the bundling clamp to its vertical position and fasten it through the slot of the clamp post weldment using the 0 75NC hex bolt ...

Page 71: ...h positively maintained parallelism Integrally mounted entry rollers Blade Wheel Dia Drive Wheel 32 813mm Idler Wheel 24 610mm Blade Drive 10 HP 7 5 kW Hydraulic System Power 3 HP 2 2 kW Pressure 1000 psi 6895 kPa Tank 7 U S Gal 26 5 liters Coolant System Tank Capacity 38 US Gal 144 liters Usable Capacity 28 US Gal 106 liters Vises Hydraulic Full stroke Adjustable Force 1000 3300 lbs 454 1497 Kg T...

Page 72: ...8 2 V 25APC 5 BARFEED LAYOUT SHEET 1 ...

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Page 77: ... manufacture of the V 25 APC but not originally manufactured by Hyd Mech are subject to the original manufacturer s war ranty Hyd Mech will provide such assistance and information as is necessary and available to facilitate the user s claim to such other manufacturer Liability or obligation on the part of Hyd Mech for damages whether general special or for negligence and expressly includ ing any i...

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